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2000 People on "Terror Watch List" able to buy guns!

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Nope….the reason our country didn't sink under that tax rate is the fact that the industrial base of the rest of the world was bombed into nonexistence during the war……..

That you guys worship government is depressing…...

The rest of the world more than caught up by 1955. True, they lost the empires they were exploiting and had to do their own fucking work for a change.

Even after Kennedy reformed the tax code in 1961, the Rich were still paying a 70% marginal rate, and we were just fine.

Until that fuckhead Reagan cut taxes for the rich and quadrupled the national debt in 12 years.
 
No one on the list is a terrorist…that takes an actual action and then an arrest…that list is created by government bureaucrats, not judges and their is no way to appeal it…….

Trusting that list with the denial of gun rights is like trusting the IRS with the tax status of conservative political groups….not going to happen.

So how is it that list is good enough to keep these people off airplane flights, but not good enough to keep them from getting guns?

Could it be that the airlines are sensible, and realize that nothing good can come of a terrorist getting on their planes...

but the gun lobby is just fine with terrorists getting guns, because all the Tiny Dicks will want them, too.

"Honey, I need a gun!:

"But Maury, you've already got 25!"
 
Nope….the reason our country didn't sink under that tax rate is the fact that the industrial base of the rest of the world was bombed into nonexistence during the war……..

That you guys worship government is depressing…...

The rest of the world more than caught up by 1955. True, they lost the empires they were exploiting and had to do their own fucking work for a change.

Even after Kennedy reformed the tax code in 1961, the Rich were still paying a 70% marginal rate, and we were just fine.

Until that fuckhead Reagan cut taxes for the rich and quadrupled the national debt in 12 years.


nope….democrats controlled the house for 40 years…that is why we went into debt….and saving the world after WW2…..you are such a twit….you advocate for giving more of the money people earn to greedy politicians who spent us into debt and used our money to empower themselves…you really are a twit.

Why you guys hate keeping your own money is something I will never understand………..it truly is a mental disorder….
 
No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.


Don't forget, Obama started off by arming violent Mexican drug gangs and considered US Veterans to be "Right wing extremists"
 
nope….democrats controlled the house for 40 years…that is why we went into debt….and saving the world after WW2…..you are such a twit….you advocate for giving more of the money people earn to greedy politicians who spent us into debt and used our money to empower themselves…you really are a twit.

Why you guys hate keeping your own money is something I will never understand………..it truly is a mental disorder….

guy, it isn't a matter of MY money.

The rich didn't create the wealth they have, they stole it from the people who did the work.

Frankly, I'd rather have that money spent feeding poor children than buying a Dressage Horse for a rich person to ride.

I find it amusing that you cling to your gun and your bible, worried the poor rich aren't going to have enough boats and mansions.
 
No one on the list is a terrorist…that takes an actual action and then an arrest…that list is created by government bureaucrats, not judges and their is no way to appeal it…….

Trusting that list with the denial of gun rights is like trusting the IRS with the tax status of conservative political groups….not going to happen.

So how is it that list is good enough to keep these people off airplane flights, but not good enough to keep them from getting guns?

Could it be that the airlines are sensible, and realize that nothing good can come of a terrorist getting on their planes...

but the gun lobby is just fine with terrorists getting guns, because all the Tiny Dicks will want them, too.

"Honey, I need a gun!:

"But Maury, you've already got 25!"


I don't support the no fly list moron. Yes…I agree….ted kennedy was a terrorist with his policies that he supported but he did not deserve to be on the no fly list…….no driving while drunk list, sure….but the no fly list?

And of course…in France…terrorists can't own fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols or suicide vests….

--2 of the Charlie Hebdo killers were on government terrorist watch lists….and still got fully automatic rifles, pistols, grenades and a rocket propelled grenade…

The cartoonists who were their victims were not on a terrorist watch list and were unarmed at the time they were murdered by the terrorists on the watch list……

--many if not all of the terrorists who attacked the various sites in Paris last Friday were on french government, terrorist watch lists…and they still got fully automatic rifles, grenades, explosives and made suicide vests….


the 128 people they murdered and the over 300 they injured…none of them were on terrorist watch lists and were completely unarmed at the time of the attack…..

you guys are morons……..
 
Don't forget, Obama started off by arming violent Mexican drug gangs and considered US Veterans to be "Right wing extremists"

Uh, no, he didn't. But you keep telling yourself the Gun Industry pumping a quarter million guns into Mexico every year is a good thing, and the 20 guns that DOJ tried to track were the real problem.
 
Don't forget, Obama started off by arming violent Mexican drug gangs and considered US Veterans to be "Right wing extremists"

Uh, no, he didn't. But you keep telling yourself the Gun Industry pumping a quarter million guns into Mexico every year is a good thing, and the 20 guns that DOJ tried to track were the real problem.


Fast and Furious actually happened…they gave drug cartels guns in order to have them show up at cartel murder sites so obama and holder could push domestic gun control…..they did not track the guns, they did not arrest the buyers…they just let them get carried across the border by the drug cartels…….

3,000 guns….

And most of the guns in Mexico used by drug cartels and their government allies come from China and Europe….which they then use to murder unarmed Mexicans….unarmed..by their government…….
 
I don't support the no fly list moron. Yes…I agree….ted kennedy was a terrorist with his policies that he supported but he did not deserve to be on the no fly list…….no driving while drunk list, sure….but the no fly list?

what the fuck are you babbling about?

And of course…in France…terrorists can't own fully automatic rifles, grenades, pistols or suicide vests….

--2 of the Charlie Hebdo killers were on government terrorist watch lists….and still got fully automatic rifles, pistols, grenades and a rocket propelled grenade…

Yes, they are right next to countries that have terrorists in them and can deliver them easily. What's your fucking point?

The cartoonists who were their victims were not on a terrorist watch list and were unarmed at the time they were murdered by the terrorists on the watch list……

The office had an armed guard who was quickly dispatched by the terrorists. So, no, a good guy with a gun made no difference.

--many if not all of the terrorists who attacked the various sites in Paris last Friday were on french government, terrorist watch lists…and they still got fully automatic rifles, grenades, explosives and made suicide vests….

So by this logic, you are going to leave the doors on your house unlocked today, because, hey, some burglar somewhere got past a lock.

Oh, wait, who am I kidding. You don't ever leave the house. Y ou don't have a job.
 
Fast and Furious actually happened…they gave drug cartels guns in order to have them show up at cartel murder sites so obama and holder could push domestic gun control…..they did not track the guns, they did not arrest the buyers…they just let them get carried across the border by the drug cartels…….

No, they tracked the guns and who was buying them. And arrests were made, and MOST of the guns were recovered.

But again, the problem is, the Gun Industry walks a quarter million guns across the border every year, Mexico has been complaining about it for years, but that matters not to you guys.

They're only brown people.
 
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That's probably the most retarded thing you've said yet.

No truly.

Spoken like a guy who bends over for the rich and doesn't even expect a reach-around.

What do you call your groveling to your owner and master George Sorosn, Comrade Stalin?

You are the property of a billionaire. You think and say exactly what he tells you to.
 
No one on the list is a terrorist…that takes an actual action and then an arrest…that list is created by government bureaucrats, not judges and their is no way to appeal it…….

Trusting that list with the denial of gun rights is like trusting the IRS with the tax status of conservative political groups….not going to happen.

So how is it that list is good enough to keep these people off airplane flights, but not good enough to keep them from getting guns?

Legally, Constitutionally, it's not good enough for either use.

What do you not get about due process of law, and about the fact that people are put on this list without any such due process? How can you reconcile this with the principle of “Innocent until proven guilty” and the Constitutional requirement—explicitly spelled out in the Fifth Amendment—that no person may be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law?
 
No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

What terrorists? Obama says there are none. Do try and keep up... oh, and 63% of the refugees are military age males.
 
If they succeed in passing this bill to prevent 'possible' terrorists from purchasing firearms, how long before they bring up another list to attempt to prevent 'terrorists' from purchasing firearms?

the NRA mailing list.
 
Why you guys hate keeping your own money is something I will never understand………..it truly is a mental disorder….

It makes perfect sense, if you understand the distinction between makers and takers, and how it relate to the classic Marxist slogan “To each according to his need; from each according to his ability.”

Someone who does not expect nor intend to contribute his fair share to the economy and to society; who expects and intends to take more than he gives, is going to tend to be much more supportive of the abuse of government force to take from those who are productive in order to support unproductive parasites such as himself.
 
No one on the list is a terrorist…that takes an actual action and then an arrest…that list is created by government bureaucrats, not judges and their is no way to appeal it…….

Trusting that list with the denial of gun rights is like trusting the IRS with the tax status of conservative political groups….not going to happen.

So how is it that list is good enough to keep these people off airplane flights, but not good enough to keep them from getting guns?

Legally, Constitutionally, it's not good enough for either use.

What do you not get about due process of law, and about the fact that people are put on this list without any such due process? How can you reconcile this with the principle of “Innocent until proven guilty” and the Constitutional requirement—explicitly spelled out in the Fifth Amendment—that no person may be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law?


He is a leftist….innocence is something they think is an unnecessary requirement that blocks their ability to destroy their enemies…..
 
Fast and Furious actually happened…they gave drug cartels guns in order to have them show up at cartel murder sites so obama and holder could push domestic gun control…..they did not track the guns, they did not arrest the buyers…they just let them get carried across the border by the drug cartels…….

No, they tracked the guns and who was buying them. And arrests were made, and MOST of the guns were recovered.

But again, the problem is, the Gun Industry walks a quarter million guns across the border every year, Mexico has been complaining about it for years, but that matters not to you guys.

They're only brown people.


Wrong…that is a lie…..the guns that were recovered were from cartel murder sites…..and one of those murdered was a U.S. federal agent. obama has been killing Mexicans with those illegal guns for years and you guys don't care...
 
If they succeed in passing this bill to prevent 'possible' terrorists from purchasing firearms, how long before they bring up another list to attempt to prevent 'terrorists' from purchasing firearms?

the NRA mailing list.


That law would never pass - SCOTUS has made it very clear what the exceptions to 2nd Amendment are.

The majority of NRA members support more background checks and banning No-Fly list folks.
 
No, the gun industry doesn't ship guns to mexico. That's highly illegal and any gun owner doing this would be imprisoned. Govt doesn't care about the law and ships illegally to all of these drug dealers and cartels.

yeah, when was the last time a gun dealer was locked up for doing that? The point of F&F was to track it, but local authorities in Arizona are so in the pocket of the National Rampage Association thta you could show them film of gangbangers walking into gun stores and they wouldn't do anything.

Uhm, the NRA has no authority to do anything ya goofball.
 
Again….

The terrorists who attacked charlie hebdo were on French terrorist watch lists and got fully automatic military rifles, grenades, pistols, and a rocket propelled grenades….

The cartoonists they murdered…were forbidden by French law from carrying guns to keep from being murdered by terrorists on French government, terrorist watch lists…

The terrorists who attacked Paris and killed 128 French citizens and wounded another 300 French citizens were on French government terrorist watch lists……and even on this list they were able to get all the weapons they wanted…fully automatic, military rifles, grenades, explosives and were able to make suicide vests…….

The 128 French citizens who were murdered by the terrorists on French government terrorist watch lists and the 300 French citizens who were injured and maimed by the terrorists on French government terrorist watch lists….were prevented by French law from carrying guns to stop the french terrorists on French Government terrorist watch lists from murdering them…..


That is how good Government, terrorist watch lists are at keeping terrorists from getting illegal, fully automatic military rifles, grenades, pistols and explosives….

Meanwhile….the law abiding citizens…were unarmed..

So when the democrats get in control of the bureaucracy, they will place people on the list, and those innocent Americans will not be able to buy a gun…..while terrorists on the list will still get any guns they want….

That is what the democrats want…….
 
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