2000 People on "Terror Watch List" able to buy guns!

[JoeB131]

no…not a false analogy…

We have a watch list….and if you make it so that people on that watch list are forbidden to buy guns, actual terrorists will still get guns…just like the terrorists in France did…..

Just like the IRS targeting political enemies of the democrat party, the watch list will be used to target enemies of the democrats.

Really? Was someone convicted of targetting anyone? Or did we just identify people who were defrauding the IRS by claiming exemptions they weren't entitled to?

 

[2aguy]

What makes them terrorists? Because they are on a terrorist watch list?

I guess you don't believe in our justice system that states a person is innocent until proven guilty. Everybody on that terrorist watch list is innocent of terrorism. Anybody who was on that list that committed an act of terror was brought to court and convicted.

But we don't convict people simply because their name is on a list of some sort.

Nobody has "convicted" them.

We don't let them fly on airplanes, and we shouldn't allow them to buy guns. That's just common fucking sense, dude.

Yes....ted kennedy and stephen moore, shouldn't be allowed to fly simply because some bureaucrat put their names on a list with no due process or intervention by the legal system...

One day someone will put your name on a list joe.........

 

[2aguy]

no…not a false analogy…

We have a watch list….and if you make it so that people on that watch list are forbidden to buy guns, actual terrorists will still get guns…just like the terrorists in France did…..

Just like the IRS targeting political enemies of the democrat party, the watch list will be used to target enemies of the democrats.

Really? Was someone convicted of targetting anyone? Or did we just identify people who were defrauding the IRS by claiming exemptions they weren't entitled to?

Nope......they weren't defrauding anyone they applied for tax free status as political groups and were denied that status by the IRS because they were conservative........

The fact that the obama justice dept. did not prosecute members of their IRS is not surprising...it is one of the flaws in our system that if the political party in power is corrupt, they are the people who decide to not investigate their own people...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

no…not a false analogy…

We have a watch list….and if you make it so that people on that watch list are forbidden to buy guns, actual terrorists will still get guns…just like the terrorists in France did…..

Just like the IRS targeting political enemies of the democrat party, the watch list will be used to target enemies of the democrats.

Really? Was someone convicted of targetting anyone? Or did we just identify people who were defrauding the IRS by claiming exemptions they weren't entitled to?

You mean like Media Matters?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What makes them terrorists? Because they are on a terrorist watch list?

I guess you don't believe in our justice system that states a person is innocent until proven guilty. Everybody on that terrorist watch list is innocent of terrorism. Anybody who was on that list that committed an act of terror was brought to court and convicted.

But we don't convict people simply because their name is on a list of some sort.

Nobody has "convicted" them.

We don't let them fly on airplanes, and we shouldn't allow them to buy guns. That's just common fucking sense, dude.

No, that is convicting them. They would be penalized simply for being on a list. Remember that flying a plane is not a constitutional right.

 

[Rustic]

What do you call your groveling to your owner and master Georg

George Soros is hiding under your bed right now and he's going to pop out and sodomize you tonight.

Oh, no, wait. That's just one of your fantasies.... like you having a Ph.D.

Kinda like the Kocks are under yours??

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....ted kennedy and stephen moore, shouldn't be allowed to fly simply because some bureaucrat put their names on a list with no due process or intervention by the legal system...

One day someone will put your name on a list joe.........

You mean the one for decorated veterans? Already on it, thanks.

Honestly, if someone is wrongly on the list, they should be able to appeal it. But as long as there are dangerous people out there, I want their names on a list, and I want them off the airplanes and I don't want them to be able to buy guns.

You know, common sense kind of stuff.

 

[JoeB131]

No, that is convicting them. They would be penalized simply for being on a list. Remember that flying a plane is not a constitutional right.

Neither is owning a gun. And before you start whining about the "Founding Slave Rapists", the fact is we ALREADY deny people the right to own guns if they are convicted of a crime, have a restraining order or are found to be crazy.

something we don't do for any actual "Right' that is recognized.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope......they weren't defrauding anyone they applied for tax free status as political groups and were denied that status by the IRS because they were conservative........

No, they were defrauding the government because they were claiming to be social welfare groups rather than political action committees.

That's fraud. Sorry, guy, it is. Obama should have doubled down and prosecuted Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers for fraud.

 

[Rustic]

Yes....ted kennedy and stephen moore, shouldn't be allowed to fly simply because some bureaucrat put their names on a list with no due process or intervention by the legal system...

One day someone will put your name on a list joe.........

You mean the one for decorated veterans? Already on it, thanks.

Honestly, if someone is wrongly on the list, they should be able to appeal it. But as long as there are dangerous people out there, I want their names on a list, and I want them off the airplanes and I don't want them to be able to buy guns.

You know, common sense kind of stuff.

You don't have much for common sense...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, that is convicting them. They would be penalized simply for being on a list. Remember that flying a plane is not a constitutional right.

Neither is owning a gun. And before you start whining about the "Founding Slave Rapists", the fact is we ALREADY deny people the right to own guns if they are convicted of a crime, have a restraining order or are found to be crazy.

something we don't do for any actual "Right' that is recognized.

I've never heard of anybody being denied the right of owning a gun simply because they have a restraining order against them. A convicted felon is a conviction, and the mentally unstable are usually under the care of somebody else either an institution, a care giver or parent.

However if you are just an average ordinary American not convicted of anything, your constitutional rights are guaranteed to you.

 

[JoeB131]

I've never heard of anybody being denied the right of owning a gun simply because they have a restraining order against them. A convicted felon is a conviction, and the mentally unstable are usually under the care of somebody else either an institution, a care giver or parent.

However if you are just an average ordinary American not convicted of anything, your constitutional rights are guaranteed to you.

Actually, a restraining order CAN get your guns taken away.

Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1]18 U.S.C.§ 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanordomestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse that falls within the criteria set by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8). The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've never heard of anybody being denied the right of owning a gun simply because they have a restraining order against them. A convicted felon is a conviction, and the mentally unstable are usually under the care of somebody else either an institution, a care giver or parent.

However if you are just an average ordinary American not convicted of anything, your constitutional rights are guaranteed to you.

Actually, a restraining order CAN get your guns taken away.

Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1]18 U.S.C.§ 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanordomestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse that falls within the criteria set by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8). The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

I don't wish to point out the obvious, but there is a difference between a restraining order and a domestic violence conviction.

 

[2aguy]

No, that is convicting them. They would be penalized simply for being on a list. Remember that flying a plane is not a constitutional right.

Neither is owning a gun. And before you start whining about the "Founding Slave Rapists", the fact is we ALREADY deny people the right to own guns if they are convicted of a crime, have a restraining order or are found to be crazy.

something we don't do for any actual "Right' that is recognized.

Twit...each case you mention has an due process before the right is removed...the list...is just some nameless bureaucrat adding a name with no oversite and no real appeals process....

 

[JoeB131]

I don't wish to point out the obvious, but there is a difference between a restraining order and a domestic violence conviction.

Go back and read what I posted, guy. A restraining order is good enough to revoke your gun rights under the Lautenberg rule.

Of course, the fact is, no one is really enforcing it,which is the problem. Which is why you hear about so many battered wives and girlfriends being shot by ex-husbands/boyfriends.

 

[JoeB131]

Twit...each case you mention has an due process before the right is removed...the list...is just some nameless bureaucrat adding a name with no oversize and no real appeals process....

"no oversize"?

Anyway, I know that you gun nuts are terrified of the notion of a "Terror watch list". When you walk around talking smack about shooting ATF Agents, that makes you a terrorist by most definitions.

 

[2aguy]

Twit...each case you mention has an due process before the right is removed...the list...is just some nameless bureaucrat adding a name with no oversize and no real appeals process....

"no oversize"?

Anyway, I know that you gun nuts are terrified of the notion of a "Terror watch list". When you walk around talking smack about shooting ATF Agents, that makes you a terrorist by most definitions.

yes...we also need a list for people who we can strip of voting rights, and speech rights.......and property rights and search and seizure protections.......since terrorists use computers for recruitment.....then if you are on the list agents,of the government should be allowed to enter your home and remove all electronic devices and shut off your internet access...since you are on the " list"....also....if you are caught speeking in public or attending rallies, you should be forcibly detained since you are on the "list"....

Joe.....I really like where this is going....you and your fascist buddies really know how to do this stuff.....

Let's see......if you are on the list.....you should be kept from getting loans....since any money you have,could be used for terrorism......and of course...your home could be used for terrorist plotting...so we should now use "eminent domain" to take your home....since you are on the list and taking your home would be for the public good....right?


this "list" concept just streamlines everything....I am surprised you left wing fascists didn't think of this before....

Oh yeah....you guys did...your buddies hitter, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, pol pot, the castros....they had their "lists" and they also knew how to use them......

 

[JoeB131]

yes...we also need a list for people who we can strip of voting rights, and speech rights.......and property rights and search and seizure protections.......since terrorists use computers for recruitment.....

It's so cute when you go into hysterics when someone questions your right to compensate for your tiny pecker with a gun....

Soooo cute.

But stupid.

 

[hjmick]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

So you would advocate the suspension of an individual's Constitutional rights not because they have been convicted of a crime but because they were put on a list of people guilty of nothing more than suspicious behavior?

How very liberal of you...

 

[2aguy]

No, our gun laws aren't even a little bit crazy. Remember, Wingnuts, keep pissing yourselves over 3 year olds from Syria... because this isn't something to worry about at all.


From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States

Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.

"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.

And, as the GAO found, a number of them do: Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.

So you would advocate the suspension of an individual's Constitutional rights not because they have been convicted of a crime but because they were put on a list of people guilty of nothing more than suspicious behavior?

How very liberal of you...

Put on the list by a bureaucrat...who is nameless, and unaccountable....and with no appeals process..........this is something the democrats have been wet dreaming about since the 60s........

like I posted......they could extend it to the 1st and 5th amendments and could throw in eminent domain for fun.........once you are on the list...you become the ultimate "non-citizen" and the government should be able to do whatever they want to you...you know...just in case.......

why pussy foot around....if some democrat politician puts your name on that list....you should simply be arrested and shipped off to a camp....for humane disposal....since it is obvious you pose a great threat to the democrats....errrrrrrr....society.....and we might as well deal with you now.....right?