CDZ 2nd amendmant and arms

[danielpalos]

WTF are you even talking about?

Its a literacy problem. you guys were right, a waste of time.

I guess what danielpalos was getting at was that the same terms used in the 2nd Amendment aren't used in the Declaration of Independence, but I didn't see what his point was.

My point is that words have meaning and Individual Rights are not interchangeable with Collective Rights.

 

[danielpalos]

Daniel is try to convince that all the people are part of the militia, even tho proven wrong on that point several times.

I am not the one resorting to a fallacy of composition or special pleading:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[Auld Phart]

an organized militia that did NOT include females, males under the age of 16, or above the age of 45.

Which to anyone but you, would be 'the people'.

Go away, little man (?),

Your trolling is pathetic and boring.

 

[blunthead]

WTF are you even talking about?

Its a literacy problem. you guys were right, a waste of time.

I guess what danielpalos was getting at was that the same terms used in the 2nd Amendment aren't used in the Declaration of Independence, but I didn't see what his point was.

My point is that words have meaning and Individual Rights are not interchangeable with Collective Rights.

Then why didn't you just say that?

 

[danielpalos]

an organized militia that did NOT include females, males under the age of 16, or above the age of 45.

Which to anyone but you, would be 'the people'.

Go away, little man (?),

Your trolling is pathetic and boring.

I cited a State Constitution and supreme law of the land of a State; which is also a State's sovereign Right secured by our Second Amendment.

When are you going to have more than fallacy to work with; or is it too much hard work. Still asking only the least wealthy to "work hard" under our form of Capitalism as a moral and ethic; Person on the Right?

 

[danielpalos]

WTF are you even talking about?

Its a literacy problem. you guys were right, a waste of time.

I guess what danielpalos was getting at was that the same terms used in the 2nd Amendment aren't used in the Declaration of Independence, but I didn't see what his point was.

My point is that words have meaning and Individual Rights are not interchangeable with Collective Rights.

Then why didn't you just say that?

I did and cited a State Constitution; I believe in being even more comprehensive and definitive in Political venues, than even Madison's Republican Doctrine.

 

[Auld Phart]

an organized militia that did NOT include females, males under the age of 16, or above the age of 45.

Which to anyone but you, would be 'the people'.

Go away, little man (?),

Your trolling is pathetic and boring.

I cited a State Constitution and supreme law of the land of a State; which is also a State's sovereign Right secured by our Second Amendment.

When are you going to have more than fallacy to work with; or is it too much hard work. Still asking only the least wealthy to "work hard" under our form of Capitalism as a moral and ethic; Person on the Right?

When are you going to stop trolling, after you've been proven wrong, time after time, that the militia did NOT include all the people, but the wording of the 2nd A does?

 

[danielpalos]

an organized militia that did NOT include females, males under the age of 16, or above the age of 45.

Which to anyone but you, would be 'the people'.

Go away, little man (?),

Your trolling is pathetic and boring.

I cited a State Constitution and supreme law of the land of a State; which is also a State's sovereign Right secured by our Second Amendment.

When are you going to have more than fallacy to work with; or is it too much hard work. Still asking only the least wealthy to "work hard" under our form of Capitalism as a moral and ethic; Person on the Right?

When are you going to stop trolling, after you've been proven wrong, time after time, that the militia did NOT include all the people, but the wording of the 2nd A does?

I cited a State Constitution. Stop being full of fallacy.

I have a social work ethic regarding reading comprehension; unlike the right. When are you going to have more than nothing but fallacy to work with? Is it too difficult for you, but easier to insist Only the least wealthy work hard under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Auld Phart]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

 

[danielpalos]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

 

[Auld Phart]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

Still trolling?

I notice you didn't answer the question about the State Constitution.

Does it prove you wrong, troll?

 

[danielpalos]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

Still trolling?

I notice you didn't answer the question about the State Constitution.

Does it prove you wrong, troll?

It is a non sequitur. did you miss this: Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

 

[danielpalos]

sorry dudes; the Right is just too socially lazy; i would rather take a hard working poor Person's view more seriously than Persons as lazy as the Right.

 

[Auld Phart]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

Still trolling?

I notice you didn't answer the question about the State Constitution.

Does it prove you wrong, troll?

It is a non sequitur. did you miss this: Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

NO, the law of the land is the 2nd A., NOT something in a 'State Contitution'.

Your deflections are catching up to you, troll.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

"Dick championed the Militia Act of 1903, which became known as the Dick Act. This law repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.[17][18][19][20]

"The Dick Act included $2 million for National Guard units to modernize equipment, and permitted states to use federal funds to pay for National Guard summer training encampments. The National Guard in each state was also required to carry out a uniform schedule of weekend or weeknight drills and annual summer training camps. In addition, the War Department agreed to fund the attendance of Guard officers at Army schools, and active Army officers would serve as inspectors and instructors of National Guard units. The War Department also agreed to organize joint Army-National Guard exercises and training encampments"

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Taken within the context of Art. I, sec 8, clause 15 & 16 the Reserve Militia, not being funded or trained, is simply all men between 18 and 45 eligible to be drafted:

" The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, also known as the Burke-Wadsworth Act, Pub.L. 76–783, 54 Stat.885, enacted September 16, 1940,[1]was the first peacetime conscription in United States history. This Selective Service Act required that men between the ages of 21 and 35 register with local draft boards. Later, when the U.S. entered World War II, all men aged 18 to 45 were made subject to military service, and all men aged 18 to 65 were required to register"

Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Infer what you want, but these acts seem clear, which is why Scalia made such an effort to baffle with bullshit in Heller. Did he lie by omission?

 

[danielpalos]

You quoted a 'State' Constitution, troll?

Did they take it word for word and put it in the Bill of Rights?

If not, you're just trolling.

Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

Still trolling?

I notice you didn't answer the question about the State Constitution.

Does it prove you wrong, troll?

It is a non sequitur. did you miss this: Still appealing to ignorance of the law as that form of laziness, Person on the Right?

NO, the law of the land is the 2nd A., NOT something in a 'State Contitution'.

Your deflections are catching up to you, troll.

A State Constitution is a supreme law of the land of that State. And, you are still appealing to ignorance of the law. Only trolls on the right who are too lazy to improve their reading comprehension, do that. Why complain about the least wealthy who may only work as hard as you.

 

[danielpalos]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

"Dick championed the Militia Act of 1903, which became known as the Dick Act. This law repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.[17][18][19][20]

"The Dick Act included $2 million for National Guard units to modernize equipment, and permitted states to use federal funds to pay for National Guard summer training encampments. The National Guard in each state was also required to carry out a uniform schedule of weekend or weeknight drills and annual summer training camps. In addition, the War Department agreed to fund the attendance of Guard officers at Army schools, and active Army officers would serve as inspectors and instructors of National Guard units. The War Department also agreed to organize joint Army-National Guard exercises and training encampments"

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Taken within the context of Art. I, sec 8, clause 15 & 16 the Reserve Militia, not being funded or trained, is simply all men between 18 and 45 eligible to be drafted:

" The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, also known as the Burke-Wadsworth Act, Pub.L. 76–783, 54 Stat.885, enacted September 16, 1940,[1]was the first peacetime conscription in United States history. This Selective Service Act required that men between the ages of 21 and 35 register with local draft boards. Later, when the U.S. entered World War II, all men aged 18 to 45 were made subject to military service, and all men aged 18 to 65 were required to register"

Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Infer what you want, but these acts seem clear, which is why Scalia made such an effort to baffle with bullshit in Heller. Did he lie by omission?

The subject of Arms for the militia is declared socialized in our supreme law of the land.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

"Dick championed the Militia Act of 1903, which became known as the Dick Act. This law repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.[17][18][19][20]

"The Dick Act included $2 million for National Guard units to modernize equipment, and permitted states to use federal funds to pay for National Guard summer training encampments. The National Guard in each state was also required to carry out a uniform schedule of weekend or weeknight drills and annual summer training camps. In addition, the War Department agreed to fund the attendance of Guard officers at Army schools, and active Army officers would serve as inspectors and instructors of National Guard units. The War Department also agreed to organize joint Army-National Guard exercises and training encampments"

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Taken within the context of Art. I, sec 8, clause 15 & 16 the Reserve Militia, not being funded or trained, is simply all men between 18 and 45 eligible to be drafted:

" The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, also known as the Burke-Wadsworth Act, Pub.L. 76–783, 54 Stat.885, enacted September 16, 1940,[1]was the first peacetime conscription in United States history. This Selective Service Act required that men between the ages of 21 and 35 register with local draft boards. Later, when the U.S. entered World War II, all men aged 18 to 45 were made subject to military service, and all men aged 18 to 65 were required to register"

Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Infer what you want, but these acts seem clear, which is why Scalia made such an effort to baffle with bullshit in Heller. Did he lie by omission?

What's your point here exactly?

 

[danielpalos]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

"Dick championed the Militia Act of 1903, which became known as the Dick Act. This law repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.[17][18][19][20]

"The Dick Act included $2 million for National Guard units to modernize equipment, and permitted states to use federal funds to pay for National Guard summer training encampments. The National Guard in each state was also required to carry out a uniform schedule of weekend or weeknight drills and annual summer training camps. In addition, the War Department agreed to fund the attendance of Guard officers at Army schools, and active Army officers would serve as inspectors and instructors of National Guard units. The War Department also agreed to organize joint Army-National Guard exercises and training encampments"

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Taken within the context of Art. I, sec 8, clause 15 & 16 the Reserve Militia, not being funded or trained, is simply all men between 18 and 45 eligible to be drafted:

" The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, also known as the Burke-Wadsworth Act, Pub.L. 76–783, 54 Stat.885, enacted September 16, 1940,[1]was the first peacetime conscription in United States history. This Selective Service Act required that men between the ages of 21 and 35 register with local draft boards. Later, when the U.S. entered World War II, all men aged 18 to 45 were made subject to military service, and all men aged 18 to 65 were required to register"

Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Infer what you want, but these acts seem clear, which is why Scalia made such an effort to baffle with bullshit in Heller. Did he lie by omission?

What's your point here exactly?

That the militia is organized by a State or the Union, not private Persons.

 

[blunthead]

If the 2nd means no limitations on armed citizens, why are knives controlled and limited?

Because it doesn't mean this.

The 2A is there to protect the militia from the federal govt.

Individuals are allowed weapons so the militia has a ready supply of weapons (keep arms)
Individuals are allowed to be in the militia so the militia has a ready supply of personnel to use those weapons (bear arms)

Or better said, the feds can't prevent individuals, before due process, from being able to have arms. They can prevent certain types of arms, just as long as individuals can get militia type weaponry.

"Dick championed the Militia Act of 1903, which became known as the Dick Act. This law repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.[17][18][19][20]

"The Dick Act included $2 million for National Guard units to modernize equipment, and permitted states to use federal funds to pay for National Guard summer training encampments. The National Guard in each state was also required to carry out a uniform schedule of weekend or weeknight drills and annual summer training camps. In addition, the War Department agreed to fund the attendance of Guard officers at Army schools, and active Army officers would serve as inspectors and instructors of National Guard units. The War Department also agreed to organize joint Army-National Guard exercises and training encampments"

Militia Act of 1903 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Taken within the context of Art. I, sec 8, clause 15 & 16 the Reserve Militia, not being funded or trained, is simply all men between 18 and 45 eligible to be drafted:

" The Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, also known as the Burke-Wadsworth Act, Pub.L. 76–783, 54 Stat.885, enacted September 16, 1940,[1]was the first peacetime conscription in United States history. This Selective Service Act required that men between the ages of 21 and 35 register with local draft boards. Later, when the U.S. entered World War II, all men aged 18 to 45 were made subject to military service, and all men aged 18 to 65 were required to register"

Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Infer what you want, but these acts seem clear, which is why Scalia made such an effort to baffle with bullshit in Heller. Did he lie by omission?

What's your point here exactly?

That the militia is organized by a State or the Union, not private Persons.

Militia: a body of citizens organized for military service.