3,000 + Academics Sign Pro-Ayers Petition

[Silence]

what can I say...you AMUZE me

OMG how awsum

 

[Skull Pilot]

find where he said Ayers is a good American? He said he was rehabilitated after committed dispicable acts of violence.

There are plenty of Republicans who also speak highly of Ayers.

So I am not a repudlican and if and when I can vote against anyone "speaking highly" of the terrorist Ayers I will

What about other criminals? do you also take issue with politicians who speak highly of them? McCain speaks fondly of G. Gordon Liddy. Also in favor of bombing government buildings and acts of violence.

Admit your double standard skull and save us all the trouble.

I have no double standard and I am not voting for McCain so you got nothing on me.

And G Gordon was no saint everyone knows that but please find me a credible source quoting him as saying he is in favor of bombing government buildings

 

[mightypeon]

What is the deal with Ayers supposed to be? I mean, just imagine Obamas family would have the Bin laden ties that Bush has.
Apart from that, Germany had a foreign minister who propably smuggled guns to real terrorists (which means people who actually did kill) into a high security prison and beat up policemen. Mind you, most left terrorists were beaten by the police at least once before becoming what they became.
Nevertheless, under him German Prestige in the world increased a lot, relation with Russia and China went up too, although the bid for a permanent seat failed. However, Germany actually had publicly independent policies, something not seen for decades.
The world is not going to end if someone who was on the same board as a former terrorist becomes president, and his association with Ayers is neglible compared to Joshka Fischer.

 

[glockmail]

What is the deal with Ayers supposed to be? I mean, just imagine Obamas family would have the Bin laden ties that Bush has....

The bin Ladin family doesn't even have ties with Osama, you jerk-off.

 

[mightypeon]

And precisly which fellow member of the GoP would care about that fact if Bush would have been a Democrat?
Besides, this is a very bold statement.
I am not insinuating that Bush and bin laden were tea buddies or soemthing like that, but the attention on Ayers and Wright simply strikes me as a (badly implmented) smear campaign.
Espcially in the light of the whole meeting between them beeing on a board instituted by a republican and McCain supporter.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Saw a pretty good article about this the other day:

In defense of Bill Ayers

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain and his supporters are continuing to pursue their smear campaign against former Weatherman radical Bill Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
In its desperation, the McCain campaign is attempting to link Ayers to his Democratic opponent Barack Obama, claiming that the Illinois senator has been "palling around with terrorists," in the words of Alaska governor Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee. [...]

However mistaken his eventual political choices, Ayers's was part of a generational experience. His sense of horror over US crimes in Vietnam, the destruction of a small nation, and his shame that this savagery was being committed in the name of the American people were sentiments shared by thousands and thousands of college and high school students, and young people in general.

The massive, lethal bombing raids, the use of napalm and other barbaric weapons, the razing of countless villages, all justified in the name of the fight for "democracy," sickened vast numbers of Americans, as did the unceasing lies and propaganda of the US government, under both Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and Republican Richard Nixon.

It is entirely to his credit that Ayers took up opposition to the war in Vietnam. The best members of his generation did the same. [...] It is useful to compare him to Sen. John McCain, his principal accuser, both as a human type and in regard to the ‘violence' in which each engaged. [...]

The vast majority of those who served in the American military in Southeast Asia were conscripts who had no choice in the matter. Most didn't want to be there and many came to hate the war and the army officialdom. McCain, on the other hand, welcomed the opportunity to participate in the Vietnam War, to drop bombs and kill human beings who had done him and the US population no harm. He had no scruples about it. [...]

[Ayer's] greatest sin, one might say, was holding very confused and disoriented views. An examination of his political views is not the subject of this article, but, in any event, they were not of a criminal character. Influenced by anarchism and Maoism, cut off from the working class by the reactionary AFL-CIO bureaucracy, Ayers never found his way to genuinely Marxist and socialist politics. Instead, his youthful radicalism led him to terrorist operations. This was, above all, an expression of extreme frustration. [...]

On what moral scale shall we weigh McCain and Ayers? In however confused a manner, the latter conducted a struggle on behalf of the oppressed. The same can hardly be said of McCain.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Saw a pretty good article about this the other day:

In defense of Bill Ayers

from your article

A private citizen, with no official position in the Democratic campaign, the former Weatherman has become the victim of a ferocious and cowardly assault, aimed at furthering McCain's electoral ambitions. Ayers is coming under attack from people who have the enormous resources of the American state and media behind them.

Joe the plumber is a private citizen as well and the left crucified him for doing nothing more than asking a question.

Joe didn't try to kill a federal judge and his 9 year old child and he was ass raped by the Dims.

Why should Ayres get a pass?

However mistaken his eventual political choices, Ayers's was part of a generational experience. His sense of horror over US crimes in Vietnam,

so he responds to horrors by planning to use an anti personnel bomb at a dance?

There IS no defense of Bill Ayres

If you Dimmies would just admit that instead of trying to justify what this fucking piece of shit Ayres did, you might get a little more respect.

 

[glockmail]

... the attention on Ayers and Wright simply strikes me as a (badly implmented) smear campaign.
....

Obama announced the start of his political career at a party in Ayers' house. That is an undeniable fact, and Obama can't even admit that.

 

[editec]

I was in the service during those turbulant times.

I admired some of the positions of the Weathermen.

Was Ayers repsonsible for the deaths of anyone?

Now compare his crimes to those of Kissinger.

 

[sealybobo]

I am not a repudlican

I am not voting for mccain

I don't care what the Annenburgs did. As far as I'm concerned they fit into the same category as BHO.

Again not a Repudlican if I can vote against anyone who supports Ayers I will I don't care what party the belong to.

Jesus Christ BObo you ARE thick. I have told you at least 5 times that I am NOT a repudlican and I am NOT voting for Mccain.

Never voted for GW. I saw he was a moron from day one.

And you should not be too quick to accuse anyone of drinking the Kool_Aid, BoBo. You will vote for any Dimocrat on the ticket and you know it.

Sorry. I have a lot more respect for 3rd party people because I agree with a lot of your feelings/beliefs. If you aren't a GOP, then I apologize for saying you were.

One thing though. If you are an independent, then maybe you agree with Ayers more than you know. He was anti government back when he was a domestic terrorist. You and I don't approve of violence, but we at least agree the government sucks and is corrupt. Especially now and back during Viet Nam.

I have a hard time being against anyone that was anti viet nam. Again, I don't approve of terrorism, but when your government is sending thousands of kids to die for bullshit, what do we do? The Weather Underground didn't kill anyone.

Yes, I did drink the Obama cool aid. But next year, I'll be critical of what he does and what Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid do. I hope they don't disappoint me. I know McCain would have.

But you won't see me crying if everyones taxes go up. Then maybe we will pay down our debt. And if the economy is good and I'm making money and my 401k is making money and the value of the dollar goes back up, so what I'm paying more in taxes? The rich cry that they pay the majority of the taxes and we don't pay enough. Do they want to switch bank accounts and salaries? LOL. I'll gladly pay HALF in taxes if I'm making $2 mill.

And the Democrats are going to spend more than the GOP spent INSIDE America. Roads, bridges, etc. You'll complain that they are spending money, but at least that money isn't going to Iraq, bullshit defense buddies or ONLY the top 10%. I'd rather our taxes get spent in America so they get circulated into our economy.

If we stop paying $10 billion in Iraq and started spending $10 bill in America, that would be a positive as far as I'm concerned. Still not good that our government is spending $10 bill, but what are they spending it on?

How about spend it on national defense. Give our border states the $10 billion a month to stop illegals from coming in. Hire more FBI to find sleeper cells in America. Spend it on Airlines to make them safer. Spend it on Cargo shipments coming into our ports. I guess right now, they only inspect 10% or so of what comes in. Dirty bombs could be coming in.

But of course I won't approve of government waste/fraud.

I think I'm rambling. I'm excited. Can't wait for the results.

So how do you think your candidate will do? LOL.

PS. You vote for Barr or Nader and if ENOUGH people vote for those assholes, then their party gets federal money. That's bullshit! LOL. That's like pissing money away. They'll never win.

But at least they have a different message that the two main parties have to listen to.

 

[glockmail]

I was in the service during those turbulant times.

I admired some of the positions of the Weathermen.

Was Ayers repsonsible for the deaths of anyone?

Now compare his crimes to those of Kissinger.

Wouldn't it be refreshing if Obama was this honest.

 

[sealybobo]

Wouldn't it be refreshing if Obama was this honest.

Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP were this honest?

"Listen America, this war is going to cost us $10 billion a year for the next 10 years. We have no intention of Iraq oil paying for this occupation. Those spoils go to the oil companies. Oh, and we have no clue how this is going to turn out because we didn't plan ahead".

 

[glockmail]

Wouldn't it be nice if the GOP were this honest?

"Listen America, this war is going to cost us $10 billion a year for the next 10 years. We have no intention of Iraq oil paying for this occupation. Those spoils go to the oil companies. Oh, and we have no clue how this is going to turn out because we didn't plan ahead".

Gee, here I was thinking this was a thread about Ayers and his candidate of change.

 

[sealybobo]

Gee, here I was thinking this was a thread about Ayers and his candidate of change.

Yes, no more bullshit Administrations like bush & nixon launching bullshit wars. Isn't that was Ayers was all about?

You are a little eichmann.

Little Eichmanns is a phrase coined by anarcho-primitivist John Zerzan[1] to describe the complicity of those who participate in destructive and immoral systems in a way that, although on an individual scale may seem indirect, when taken collectively have an effect comparable to Nazi official Adolf Eichmann's role in The Holocaust. Zerzan used the phrase in his essay Whose Unabomber? in 1995.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

from your article

A private citizen, with no official position in the Democratic campaign, the former Weatherman has become the victim of a ferocious and cowardly assault, aimed at furthering McCain's electoral ambitions. Ayers is coming under attack from people who have the enormous resources of the American state and media behind them.

Joe the plumber is a private citizen as well and the left crucified him for doing nothing more than asking a question.

Joe didn't try to kill a federal judge and his 9 year old child and he was ass raped by the Dims.

Why should Ayres get a pass?

However mistaken his eventual political choices, Ayers's was part of a generational experience. His sense of horror over US crimes in Vietnam,

so he responds to horrors by planning to use an anti personnel bomb at a dance?

There IS no defense of Bill Ayres

If you Dimmies would just admit that instead of trying to justify what this fucking piece of shit Ayres did, you might get a little more respect.

Joe the Plumber? I don't see how he relates. Joe the Plumber became an overnight sensation because both of the candidates based an entire debate on him, and the guy has been loving it ever since. In either case, his presence in this election, like Ayers', is a complete waste of time and takes away from REAL issues.

Who are you calling a "Dimmie", anyway? I'm not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Sorry. I have a lot more respect for 3rd party people because I agree with a lot of your feelings/beliefs. If you aren't a GOP, then I apologize for saying you were.

One thing though. If you are an independent, then maybe you agree with Ayers more than you know. He was anti government back when he was a domestic terrorist. You and I don't approve of violence, but we at least agree the government sucks and is corrupt. Especially now and back during Viet Nam.

i don't care if Ayres and i actually agreed on anything. the very fact that this asshole tried to kill people with bombs would have me beating the shit out of him if I was there. There is no excuse for what he did

I have a hard time being against anyone that was anti viet nam. Again, I don't approve of terrorism, but when your government is sending thousands of kids to die for bullshit, what do we do? The Weather Underground didn't kill anyone.

But it was their ultimate goal. and bombs set by the WG are responsible for blinding a cop but that's OK right? and you don't build an anti personnel bomb with the intentions of setting it off at a dance if you aren't trying to kill anyone. the fact that that particular bomb went off prematurely does not erase its intent.

Yes, I did drink the Obama cool aid. But next year, I'll be critical of what he does and what Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid do. I hope they don't disappoint me. I know McCain would have.

Don't call me when you realize there's cyanide in it.

But you won't see me crying if everyones taxes go up. Then maybe we will pay down our debt. And if the economy is good and I'm making money and my 401k is making money and the value of the dollar goes back up, so what I'm paying more in taxes? The rich cry that they pay the majority of the taxes and we don't pay enough. Do they want to switch bank accounts and salaries? LOL. I'll gladly pay HALF in taxes if I'm making $2 mill.

And the Democrats are going to spend more than the GOP spent INSIDE America. Roads, bridges, etc. You'll complain that they are spending money, but at least that money isn't going to Iraq, bullshit defense buddies or ONLY the top 10%. I'd rather our taxes get spent in America so they get circulated into our economy.

If we stop paying $10 billion in Iraq and started spending $10 bill in America, that would be a positive as far as I'm concerned. Still not good that our government is spending $10 bill, but what are they spending it on?

How about spend it on national defense. Give our border states the $10 billion a month to stop illegals from coming in. Hire more FBI to find sleeper cells in America. Spend it on Airlines to make them safer. Spend it on Cargo shipments coming into our ports. I guess right now, they only inspect 10% or so of what comes in. Dirty bombs could be coming in.

But of course I won't approve of government waste/fraud.

I think I'm rambling. I'm excited. Can't wait for the results.

So how do you think your candidate will do? LOL.

PS. You vote for Barr or Nader and if ENOUGH people vote for those assholes, then their party gets federal money. That's bullshit! LOL. That's like pissing money away. They'll never win.

But at least they have a different message that the two main parties have to listen to.

None of this rant has anything to do about the apologists for that piece of shit Ayres. and the my candidate is better than your candidate stuff is a little late as it doesn't really matter now does it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Joe the Plumber? I don't see how he relates. Joe the Plumber became an overnight sensation because both of the candidates based an entire debate on him, and the guy has been loving it ever since. In either case, his presence in this election, like Ayers', is a complete waste of time and takes away from REAL issues.

Who are you calling a "Dimmie", anyway? I'm not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination.

Most Ayres apologists are Dimmies if you're not then you are probably an exception to the rule.

maybe it does take time away from real issues but if a fucking coward Che Guevara wannabe gets a pass for setting bombs from a man who wants to be pres. I don't want that guy representing me.

 

[sealybobo]

Most Ayres apologists are Dimmies if you're not then you are probably an exception to the rule.

maybe it does take time away from real issues but if a fucking coward Che Guevara wannabe gets a pass for setting bombs from a man who wants to be pres. I don't want that guy representing me.

If a President would turn a blind eye to 2 planes killing 3000 and then launch a fake war for $ that cost 4000 and counting lives, I don't want that guy representing me.

If a guy who supposedly swore to uphold the constitution doesn't, I don't want that guy representing me.

If a guy who supposedly represents we the people starts only representing THEM the COMPANIES, I don't want him representing me.

We know the Bush's still do business with the Bin Ladin family to this day. We know money funnels from that family to our enemy.

You don't even realize that the real terrorist is George Bush. After 8 years. Huh. And the 700 billion bank robbery he just pulled off.

Wow, it is taking you a long time to figure it out.

It's about rich vs poor, nothing else. You don't even realize you won today stupid. Relax, we got it from here.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If a President would turn a blind eye to 2 planes killing 3000 and then launch a fake war for $ that cost 4000 and counting lives, I don't want that guy representing me.

If a guy who supposedly swore to uphold the constitution doesn't, I don't want that guy representing me.

If a guy who supposedly represents we the people starts only representing THEM the COMPANIES, I don't want him representing me.

We know the Bush's still do business with the Bin Ladin family to this day. We know money funnels from that family to our enemy.

You don't even realize that the real terrorist is George Bush. After 8 years. Huh. And the 700 billion bank robbery he just pulled off.

Wow, it is taking you a long time to figure it out.

It's about rich vs poor, nothing else. You don't even realize you won today stupid. Relax, we got it from here.

in case you haven't heard, GW ain't running for president. so no matter what he isn't representing you any more is he?

and your precious obama is an accomplice in that 700 billion dollar robbery isn't he?

and this thread isn't about GW its about Ayres apologists who seem to think a bomb throwing cowardly piece of dog shit is somehow worthy of praise from the man who is running for president.

The guy should be tied to a chair with a fucking malatov cocktail shoved up his ass.

edit:

make that a pound of C4 I'll even volunteer to press the detonator.

 

[sealybobo]

in case you haven't heard, GW ain't running for president. so no matter what he isn't representing you any more is he?

and your precious obama is an accomplice in that 700 billion dollar robbery isn't he?

and this thread isn't about GW its about Ayres apologists who seem to think a bomb throwing cowardly piece of dog shit is somehow worthy of praise from the man who is running for president.

The guy should be tied to a chair with a fucking malatov cocktail shoved up his ass.

I feel the same about your leader. Go figure. The point was that you can't consider Obama your leader because of bullshit stories like Ayers and Wright. Even John McCain tomorrow will admit those stories were bullshit retard.

It was soooo easy for Bush to lie you into war.

YOu think your taxes are going to go up? Dude, do you know what the GOP cost you? Inflation, 401k, gas prices, your home value, wages???

John McCain is the GOP, so is Bush. Time to go, bye bye.

So you really do love the government!! I thought you republicans think the government is the enemy? You want to drown it in a bathtub I thought?

Last week you agreed with the Alaska Independence Party because it suited your needs and today you seem to want to defend the government to the death.

Is the government the enemy or not? McCain says it is. Maybe he should't envoke rage like that?