3 people dead after gunman targeted Black people in Jacksonville

[Lastamender]

A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself

Jacksonville's sheriff says a white gunman who killed three people at a Dollar General store was racially motivated and hated Black people

abcnews.go.com

I searched for this story. I found nothing. Have we become numb to mass shooting or is it the fact that the victims are black? Why do we not care anymore?

Quit the virtue signaling. If what you say is true we will never hear the end of it. The first thing I would find out if he had any contact with the FBI.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Fuck, I was in a Florida Dollar Store yesterday! This racist lunatic reportedly checked out a black college campus earlier. He left a few “manifestos” at home. He had an AR-15, a Glock, an mask and a bullet proof vest, but killed himself inside the Dollar Store … maybe by the balloons or the cheap Hallmark Card racks. He shoulda done that before he left home.

Gunman kills three, himself in racially motivated shooting

The suspect, who Sheriff T.K. Waters described as a white male wearing a tactical vest, was not identified, and all victims were Black. "This shooting was racially motivated, and he hated Black people."

www.reuters.com

 

[Lisa558]

What is their take ? ( I don’t watch Foxsnews )

That it’s horrible, of course. What else would their “take” be?

 

[Failzero]

That it’s horrible, of course. What else would their “take” be?

That it’s well beyond time to visit ( AWB2 ) ( New Federal Firearms Restrictions ) ( End Carry Permits ) ( ...

 

[john doe 101]

That it’s horrible, of course. What else would their “take” be?

That there are good people on both sides. Oh wait a President said that in reference to racists.

 

[Lastamender]

That there are good people on both sides. Oh wait a President said that in reference to racists.

Perpetuating a lie?

 

[2aguy]

How fast do y'all think they'll release this nut job's manifesto but still nothing from the trans shooter at the Christian school

Yep.......they are already allegedly quoting from this guys manifesto....but the manifesto of the left wing, democrat party, transgender, school children killer is still off limits.......funny how that works these days...

 

[2aguy]

That there are good people on both sides. Oh wait a President said that in reference to racists.

No, actually, he didn't....you either lied, or are too stupid to know what he actually said.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, we need more guns...gotcha

They needed more guns at the Dollar General store.......you idiot. Had someone been armed, they likely could have prevented the attack.

 

[Stann]

Try that in a small town.

It still happens everywhere in America.

 

[Lastamender]

It still happens everywhere in America.

It is the people, not the guns.

 

[Stann]

How fast do y'all think they'll release this nut job's manifesto but still nothing from the trans shooter at the Christian school

It's already in wikipedia, that means all the facts are in.

They needed more guns at the Dollar General store.......you idiot. Had someone been armed, they likely could have prevented the attack.

More guns usually ends up badly.

 

[TheYellowKing]

Genius reply right there , well done Sir ...

 

[TheYellowKing]

It's already in wikipedia, that means all the facts are in.

More guns usually ends up badly.

Riiiight cause Wikipedia is known for being so factual colleges won't let you use it as a source

 

[Failzero]

It's already in wikipedia, that means all the facts are in.

More guns usually ends up bad. Unless it does not .

 

[2aguy]

It's already in wikipedia, that means all the facts are in.

More guns usually ends up badly.

No...actually, it doesn't. In fact, research shows that the faster you get a good guy with a gun shooting at the bad guy, more lives are saved....

Stories of more guns.......stopping mass public shooters...

The story dates are below...the actual stories and links to the news article are in the link below.....



If you want to see the details of each shooting, you will have to go to the link....the very end of the article lists shootings stopped by off duty police officers...I did not include those.....

http://[URL='https://crimeresearch....driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

[/URL]



Las Vegas, Nevada, Friday, June 23, 2023

El Paso, Texas, Wednesday, February 15, 2023

Phoenix, Arizona, Saturday, February 11, 2023

Panama City, Florida, January 11, 2023

Tucson, Arizona, December 18, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Chandler, Arizona, December 14, 2022

Billings, Montana, November 30, 2022

Detroit, Michigan, August 28, 2022

West Palm Beach, Florida, August 7, 2022

Greenwood, Indiana, July 17, 2022.......attacker had AR-15 rifle, stopped by pistol

Sunrise, Arizona, July 3, 2022

Charleston, West Virginia, May 25, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Atlanta, Georgia, April 30, 2022

South Fulton, Georgia, April 24, 2022

Phenix City, Alabama, April 13, 2022

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 19, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Portland, Oregon, February 19, 2022

South Central, Nebraska, October 22, 2021

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 17, 2021

Shreveport, Louisiana, September 21, 2021

Syracuse, New York, August 31, 2021

Melbourne, Florida, August 28, 2021

Las Vegas, Nevada, August 13, 2021

San Antonio, Texas, August 11, 2021

Fort Meyers, Florida, July 22, 2021

Chicago, Illinois, July 4, 2021

Arvada, Colorado, June 21, 2021

Crowley, Louisiana, May 29, 2021

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Metairie, Louisiana, February 20, 2021

Hickory, North Carolina, February 14, 2021

Lexington, South Carolina, November 28, 2020

Marion, South Carolina, November 5, 2020

Weslaco, Texas, August 17, 2020.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...Captured gunman, held for police

Salt Lake City, Utah, August 15, 2020

Dallas, Texas, July 25, 2020, Fox 4 News (Dallas)

Brownsburg, Indiana, July 16, 2020, WISHTV (Indianapolis, Indiana)

Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, July 10, 2020

Louisville, Kentucky, June 27, 2020 (USA Today)

Kwethluk, Alaska, May 16, 2020, multiple sources........Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...captured gunman, held for police

Tulsa, Oklahoma, March 27, 2020, Channel 6

Near Fort Worth, Texas, December 29, 2019.....shotgun stopped by pistol....Church shooting, video of shooting at link

Duncan, Oklahoma, November 18, 2019

Newnan, Georgia, August 13, 2019

Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019​

Huntsville, Alabama, January 16, 2019​

Birmingham, Alabama, October 27, 2018​

Louisville, Kentucky, Wednesday, October 24, 2018​

Titusville, Florida, August 4, 2018

Tumwater, Washington, June 18, 2018​

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Thursday, May 24, 2018​

San Antonio, Texas, December 7, 2017 (ABC 13 in San Antonio, Time Magazine)​

Rockledge, Florida, November 17, 2017 (Florida Today, WFTV.com in Orlando)​

First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, November 5, 2017....NRA instructor with his own AR-15 saved 26 lives

Clearlake Oaks, California, October 23, 2017 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017 (Chicago Tribune, Daily Caller) (the above picture shows a picture of Samson after he received treatment for his minor wound)​

Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)​

Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016 (Fox Carolina)​

Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015, Fox 19 in Cincinnati and Fox News​

Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen​

New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):​

Chicago, Illinois, April 19, 2015, Chicago Sun-Times​

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 22, 2015, NBC Channel 10:​

Darby, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2014​

Chicago, Illinois, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:​

Portland, Oregon, January 11, 2014, Oregonian​

Plymouth, Pennsylvania, September 2012​

Early, Texas, August 2012, KTXS ABC Channel 12:.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

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Santa Clara, California, July 26, 2012, Reuters:​

Salt Lake, April 27, 2012, ABC Channel 4....Knife armed attacker stopped..​

Aurora, Colorado, April 2012, Fox 31 Denver by Tammy Vigil:​

Spartanburg, South Carolina, March 2012, article by Jenny Arnold at GoUpState.com (see also here):​

Oklahoma City, December 2009, KWTV NEWS Channel 9:​

Richmond, Virginia, July 2009 (this first description is based on a video of the shooting and a talk on the attack is here):​

College Park (near Atlanta), Georgia, May 7, 2009, WSB-TV 2...2 men with guns attempted to rape multiple women​

Winnemucca, Nevada, May 25, 2008, KOLO ABC Channel 8 (Reno):​

Colorado Springs, Colorado, December 2007, by Solomon Banda with the Associated Press:..Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Memphis, Tennessee, March 2007, WBIR TV NBC in Knoxville, TN:​

Memphis, Tennessee, July 21, 2006......Knife Armed attacker stopped...​

Tyler, Texas, February 2005, Fox News (see also here):​

Grundy, Virginia, Jan. 16, 2002​

Edinboro, Pennsylvania, April 1998, from Robert Moran and Susan Q. Stranahan in the Philadelphia Inquirer​

Pearl, Mississippi, October 1997​

Muskegon, Michigan, August 1995, The Chronicle:​

Anniston, Alabama, December 1991, J. Neil Schulman in the Los Angeles Times:​

Cases where attacks were stopped with other types of guns​

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021

Possible cases​

Cicero, Illinois, September 15, 2018​

Rock Hill, South Carolina, December 21, 2017 (The State newspaper (Columbia, South Carolina), WYFF Channel 4 TV)...attacker armed with pipe wrench...

North Naples, Florida, July 11, 2018​

Houston, Texas, Sunday, May 29, 2016, The UK Daily Mail​

Las Vegas, Nevada, June 8, 2014​

Portland, Oregon, December 2012 KGW Staff:......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Manchester, New Hampshire, April 15, 2007​

Tacoma Mall in Tacoma, Washington, November 20, 2005.​

Other Cases​

Hoover, Alabama (Galleria Mall), November 23, 2018​

 

[Stann]

,That it’s horrible, of course. What else would their “take” be?

Yes, but they' ll put some blame on there where it doesn't belong , instead of just telling the facts. They have trouble with facts.

 

[Failzero]

No...actually, it doesn't. In fact, research shows that the faster you get a good guy with a gun shooting at the bad guy, more lives are saved....

Stories of more guns.......stopping mass public shooters...

The story dates are below...the actual stories and links to the news article are in the link below.....



If you want to see the details of each shooting, you will have to go to the link....the very end of the article lists shootings stopped by off duty police officers...I did not include those.....

http://[URL='https://crimeresearch....driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/

[/URL]



Las Vegas, Nevada, Friday, June 23, 2023

El Paso, Texas, Wednesday, February 15, 2023

Phoenix, Arizona, Saturday, February 11, 2023

Panama City, Florida, January 11, 2023

Tucson, Arizona, December 18, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Chandler, Arizona, December 14, 2022

Billings, Montana, November 30, 2022

Detroit, Michigan, August 28, 2022

West Palm Beach, Florida, August 7, 2022

Greenwood, Indiana, July 17, 2022.......attacker had AR-15 rifle, stopped by pistol

Sunrise, Arizona, July 3, 2022

Charleston, West Virginia, May 25, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Atlanta, Georgia, April 30, 2022

South Fulton, Georgia, April 24, 2022

Phenix City, Alabama, April 13, 2022

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 19, 2022.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Portland, Oregon, February 19, 2022

South Central, Nebraska, October 22, 2021

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, October 17, 2021

Shreveport, Louisiana, September 21, 2021

Syracuse, New York, August 31, 2021

Melbourne, Florida, August 28, 2021

Las Vegas, Nevada, August 13, 2021

San Antonio, Texas, August 11, 2021

Fort Meyers, Florida, July 22, 2021

Chicago, Illinois, July 4, 2021

Arvada, Colorado, June 21, 2021

Crowley, Louisiana, May 29, 2021

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian

Metairie, Louisiana, February 20, 2021

Hickory, North Carolina, February 14, 2021

Lexington, South Carolina, November 28, 2020

Marion, South Carolina, November 5, 2020

Weslaco, Texas, August 17, 2020.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...Captured gunman, held for police

Salt Lake City, Utah, August 15, 2020

Dallas, Texas, July 25, 2020, Fox 4 News (Dallas)

Brownsburg, Indiana, July 16, 2020, WISHTV (Indianapolis, Indiana)

Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania, July 10, 2020

Louisville, Kentucky, June 27, 2020 (USA Today)

Kwethluk, Alaska, May 16, 2020, multiple sources........Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian...captured gunman, held for police

Tulsa, Oklahoma, March 27, 2020, Channel 6

Near Fort Worth, Texas, December 29, 2019.....shotgun stopped by pistol....Church shooting, video of shooting at link

Duncan, Oklahoma, November 18, 2019

Newnan, Georgia, August 13, 2019

Colonial Heights, Tennessee, February 13, 2019​

Huntsville, Alabama, January 16, 2019​

Birmingham, Alabama, October 27, 2018​

Louisville, Kentucky, Wednesday, October 24, 2018​

Titusville, Florida, August 4, 2018

Tumwater, Washington, June 18, 2018​

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Thursday, May 24, 2018​

San Antonio, Texas, December 7, 2017 (ABC 13 in San Antonio, Time Magazine)​

Rockledge, Florida, November 17, 2017 (Florida Today, WFTV.com in Orlando)​

First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, November 5, 2017....NRA instructor with his own AR-15 saved 26 lives

Clearlake Oaks, California, October 23, 2017 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017 (Chicago Tribune, Daily Caller) (the above picture shows a picture of Samson after he received treatment for his minor wound)​

Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017 (Dallas Morning News)​

Townville Elementary School, September 28, 2016 (FBI report on active shooter incidents for 2016-17)​

Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016 (Fox Carolina)​

Winton, Ohio, Sunday, July 26, 2015, Fox 19 in Cincinnati and Fox News​

Conyers, Georgia, Sunday, May 31, 2015, The Rockdale Citizen​

New Holland, Wisconsin, May 5th, 2015, Fox Carolina (cases such as this where the people who stopped the attack didn’t fire a gun don’t tend to get that much news attention):​

Chicago, Illinois, April 19, 2015, Chicago Sun-Times​

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, March 22, 2015, NBC Channel 10:​

Darby, Pennsylvania, July 25, 2014​

Chicago, Illinois, July 7, 2014, from Geoff Ziezulewicz in the Chicago Tribune:​

Portland, Oregon, January 11, 2014, Oregonian​

Plymouth, Pennsylvania, September 2012​

Early, Texas, August 2012, KTXS ABC Channel 12:.......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

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Santa Clara, California, July 26, 2012, Reuters:​

Salt Lake, April 27, 2012, ABC Channel 4....Knife armed attacker stopped..​

Aurora, Colorado, April 2012, Fox 31 Denver by Tammy Vigil:​

Spartanburg, South Carolina, March 2012, article by Jenny Arnold at GoUpState.com (see also here):​

Oklahoma City, December 2009, KWTV NEWS Channel 9:​

Richmond, Virginia, July 2009 (this first description is based on a video of the shooting and a talk on the attack is here):​

College Park (near Atlanta), Georgia, May 7, 2009, WSB-TV 2...2 men with guns attempted to rape multiple women​

Winnemucca, Nevada, May 25, 2008, KOLO ABC Channel 8 (Reno):​

Colorado Springs, Colorado, December 2007, by Solomon Banda with the Associated Press:..Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Memphis, Tennessee, March 2007, WBIR TV NBC in Knoxville, TN:​

Memphis, Tennessee, July 21, 2006......Knife Armed attacker stopped...​

Tyler, Texas, February 2005, Fox News (see also here):​

Grundy, Virginia, Jan. 16, 2002​

Edinboro, Pennsylvania, April 1998, from Robert Moran and Susan Q. Stranahan in the Philadelphia Inquirer​

Pearl, Mississippi, October 1997​

Muskegon, Michigan, August 1995, The Chronicle:​

Anniston, Alabama, December 1991, J. Neil Schulman in the Los Angeles Times:​

Cases where attacks were stopped with other types of guns​

Fort Smith, Arkansas, May 15, 2021

Possible cases​

Cicero, Illinois, September 15, 2018​

Rock Hill, South Carolina, December 21, 2017 (The State newspaper (Columbia, South Carolina), WYFF Channel 4 TV)...attacker armed with pipe wrench...

North Naples, Florida, July 11, 2018​

Houston, Texas, Sunday, May 29, 2016, The UK Daily Mail​

Las Vegas, Nevada, June 8, 2014​

Portland, Oregon, December 2012 KGW Staff:......Rifle stopped by pistol armed civilian​

Manchester, New Hampshire, April 15, 2007​

Tacoma Mall in Tacoma, Washington, November 20, 2005.​

Other Cases​

Hoover, Alabama (Galleria Mall), November 23, 2018​

QFT

 

[2aguy]

It's already in wikipedia, that means all the facts are in.

More guns usually ends up badly.

Nope...you are wrong...

600 million guns in private hands......over 22.01 million Americans can carry guns legally in public for self defense.........



Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2022



American use those legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rapes, stabbings, beatings, robberies, and murders, as well as also stopping mass public shootings when they are allowed to have their legal guns with them...



Gun deaths...the truth....





Of the gun murder deaths....over 70-80% of the victims are not regular Americans....they are criminals...murdered by other criminals in primarily democrat party controlled cities....where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians have released them over and over again no matter how many times they are arrested for felony, illegal gun possession and violent crimes with guns...that's on you and your political party...not normal gun owners.





Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct





that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns



A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)




2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[TheYellowKing]

Yes, but they' ll put some blame on there where it doesn't belong , instead of just telling the facts. They have trouble with facts.

Oh you sweet summer child, so naive