$3 Trillion (annually) question

[elektra]

So about 3% of the global economy.
That's what has the deniers hysterical.
And that's just investment. Investments have a cash return.
Yes, deniers don't do economics.

$3 trillion by the USA alone is huge. Mire money is being proposed to be spent than the entire amount spent by all nations.

More importantly, this government spending is not private investment.

Investments have a cash return, maMOOT, you need to stick to insults, you just embarrassed yourself.

Have you ever heard of the cash investment into Solndra Solar, over a billion dollars by our government, bankrupt.

In maMOOT's simple mind investments have cash returns, never bankruptsies.

maMOOT, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you can invest in, cheap. I promise a cash return.

 

[elektra]

And that's just investment. Investments have a cash return.

After we waste $3 trillion per year on less reliable, more expensive energy, when do we get any cash return?

The CEO gets a cash return. It will be called a bonus when the CEO gets the 1st government checks.

A handful of the big investors will get a cash return from the first government checks repay their investments at a profit. Then with restructuring of the government subsidies, the corporation will be payed above market value for every watt, produced.

We, the people do not get a cash return, only the rich.

 

[mamooth]

$3 trillion by the USA alone is huge. Mire money is being proposed to be spent than the entire amount spent by all nations.

You just made that part up. Or you're repeating something stupid that you were told.

More importantly, this government spending is not private investment.

Who told you such a crazy thing, and why did you fall for it?

Investments have a cash return, maMOOT, you need to stick to insults, you just embarrassed yourself.

So you're saying investements don't have a return?

You seem confused. About investements, the economy, everything.

Have you ever heard of the cash investment into Solndra Solar, over a billion dollars by our government, bankrupt.

More like $500 million loan, with some recovered. Numbers, they're just a liberal thing.

Anyways, another bad logical fallacy on your part, claiming one single example represents the whole. Quite expected, given your history of not being able to reason like an adult. That's why your anti-reason cult was able to suck you in so easily.

 

[mamooth]

You were busted lying. Alaska gets much more precipitation than Greenland.

Greenland -- 0.45 meter

Northern Alasksa -- Less than 6 inches, according to your own source. So, about 0.15 meter.

0.45 > 0.15

If you're aiming for a career as a paid professional liar, you need to not suck so hard at it.

 

[elektra]

You just made that part up. Or you're repeating something stupid that you were told.


Who told you such a crazy thing, and why did you fall for it?


So you're saying investements don't have a return?

You seem confused. About investements, the economy, everything.


More like $500 million loan, with some recovered. Numbers, they're just a liberal thing.

Anyways, another bad logical fallacy on your part, claiming one single example represents the whole. Quite expected, given your history of not being able to reason like an adult. That's why your anti-reason cult was able to suck you in so easily.

Hahaha. Moot points maMOOT because all you offered were contradictions, no facts or a reasoned response.

Investments do not equal a cash return, that is how the economy works unless you are speaking of Marxism.

maMOOT, are you a Marxist. Marxism is when the government invests and requires no return on investments.

 

[mamooth]

Hahaha. Moot points maMOOT

So, you're not going to back up your big lie that the $3 trillion would all be goverment spending?

Don't worry. You always run when you BS gets laughed at, so everyone expected you to run again.

 

[elektra]

And that's just investment. Investments have a cash return.
Yes, deniers don't do economics

We do not do Marxist Economics

The U.S. government invested in every single one of these bankrupt companies. Now tell us what our cash return is on bankruptcies

The Complete List of Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closures

2023 has brought immense challenges, with higher interest rates, tighter financing, and adverse policy shifts which have contributed to solar bankruptcies.

www.solarinsure.com

Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024​

Major Solar Bankruptcies as of September 2024 Include:

• SunPower – Multiple States
• Pink Energy – Multiple States
• MC Solar – Modern Concepts – Florida
• Harness Power – California
• NM Solar Group – New Mexico
• ASA – American Solar Advantage – California
• Kuubix Energy – California
• Erus Energy – Arizona
• Infinity Energy – California
• Suntuity Renewables – Per Sunova – NJ, CA , TX
• ADT Solar – Multiple States
• Vision Solar – Multiple States
• Solcius – CA, NM, AZ, NV
• Sunworks, Inc. – CA
• Kayo Energy – AZ, CA, TX, FL
• iSun – CT
• Titan Solar Power – Multiple States
• Lumio – Utah

California Company Closures:

• ASA – American Solar Advantage – CA
• Bratton Solar- CA
• Canapoy Energy – CA
• Charged Up Energy – CA
• Enver Solar – CA
• Harness Power – CA
• GCI Solar – CA
• Green Nrg – CA
• Kuubix Energy – CA
• Peak Power USA – CA
• Penguin Home- CA
• Polar Solar – CA
• Professional Roofing and Solar – CA
• Sigora Home Solar – CA
• Solsun USA – CA
• Solar Advantage – CA
• Sullivan Solar Power – CA
• Sungrade Solar – CA
• SunPower – CA
• Sunstor Solar – CA
• RGS Energy – CA
• Solar Spectrum – CA
• Sunworks, Inc. – CA
• Swell Energy – CA
• United Solar Inc. – CA

Texas Company Closures:

• American Sun
• Daybreak Solar Power
• Cosmo Solaris – DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation
• Envirosolar
• Hitech Solar
• Integrity Solar
• Next Energy
• Speir Innovations
• TES Home Solar
• Texas Solar Broker LLC
• Verisolar
• Vulcan Solar

Other States:

• 3D Solar – Florida
• AAA Certified Solar – Nevada
• Accept Solar – MA
• ACE Solar Systems – AZ
• Arizona Solar Concepts – AZ
• Code Green Solar – NJ
• EcoMark Solar – CO
• Elan Solar – UT
• Electriq Power – FL
• Encor Solar – UT
• Gulf South Solar – LA
• Moxie Solar – IA
• Refresh Energy Group – CO
• Saveco Solar – UT
• Solar Is Freedom – OH
• Solar Titan USA – TN
• SolarDot – FL
• Solarworks – AZ
• Solular, LLC – NJ
• Utah Solar Group – UT
• Voltage Solar Power – FL
• Zenernet – AZ

 

[elektra]

So, you're not going to back up your big lie that the $3 trillion would all be goverment spending?

Don't worry. You always run when you BS gets laughed at, so everyone expected you to run again.

Run? It has been 3 minutes since you replied, maMOOT

As you know ow, maMOOT, I have never ever ran from your pathetic, ignorant, hate filled contradictions.

This OP is based on research that is not accurate. $3.5 trillion is the increase in spending needed to reach thr $300 trillion goal.

$300 Trillion To Save The Planet From Climate Change

$300 Trillion to fight climate change. I kid you not. What can anyone say about that number other than Green, Renewables, Sustainable, power is obviously ridiculous to even consider, given the cost! It is all greed. Greedy bankers, investors, Wall Street. Politicians, Dictators, the United...

www.usmessageboard.com

$9.2 trillion will need to be spent per year over the next 30 years on physical assets, such as renewable power and infrastructure for electric vehicles. That’s a $3.5 trillion increase from what we’re spending today.

 

[elektra]

So, you're not going to back up your big lie that the $3 trillion would all be goverment spending?

You are not going to prove otherwise so your contradiction is a MOOT point, maMOOT.

The Federal government is spending our taxpayers like thieves. Can we add state spending as well? Currently it looks like we are easily going to reach $3 trillion yearly by the U.S. government if the marxist kamala is elected

Analysis: Democrats’ “Green” Energy Subsidies Costing Taxpayers $1.2 Trillion–THREE TIMES Original Price Tag – Ways and Means

waysandmeans.house.gov

Analysis: Democrats’ “Green” Energy Subsidies Costing Taxpayers $1.2 Trillion–THREE TIMES Original Price Tag​

April 06, 2023

 

[elektra]

Oh shit, mamooth my link is over a year old, I bet that figure is easily $3 trillion now

 

[elektra]

Don't worry. You always run when you BS gets laughed at, so everyone expected you to run again't

maMOOT, you claimed I ran with no response after 2 minutes.

Where is maMOOT, according to maMOOT,s reasoning we must proclaim maMOOT crawled back under his/her rock now that there is no response from maMOOT in 10x's that amount of time.

maMOOT ran away, but not before projecting

 

[elektra]

mamooth 20 minutes maMOOT, what is wrong, no Google links to help you think

maMOOT has left the building

 

[EMH]

Greenland -- 0.45 meter

Northern Alasksa -- Less than 6 inches, according to your own source. So, about 0.15 meter.

0.45 > 0.15

If you're aiming for a career as a paid professional liar, you need to not suck so hard at it.

Laughable. Both land masses have less precipitation the further north you get. The Greenland link just doesn't include that fact.

Alaska gets 10 fold the precipitation Greenland gets...

In the maritime zone a coastal mountain range coupled with plentiful moisture produces annual precipitation amounts up to 200 inches in the southeastern panhandle, and up to 150 inches along the northern coast of the Gulf of Alaska. Amounts decrease to near 60 inches on the southern side of the Alaska Range in the Alaska Peninsula and Aleutian Island sections. Precipitation amounts decrease rapidly to the north, with an average of 12 inches in the continental zone and less than 6 inches in the arctic region.

Precipitation in Greenland increased to 497.10 mm in 2022 from 493.07 mm in 2021. Precipitation in Greenland averaged 439.54 mm from 1901 until 2022, reaching an all time high of 535.30 mm in 1996 and a record low of 361.19 mm in 1985. source: Worldbank​

One millimeter is equal to 1/25.4 of an inch

 

[elektra]

Laughable. Both land masses have less precipitation the further north you get. The Greenland link just doesn't include that

One millimeter is equal to 1/25.4 of an inch

Sounds scary when they use big numbers.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Vaporized the AGW cult

 

[EMH]

Sounds scary when they use big numbers.

It is always hilarious when one of them actually tries to answer these simple climate questions...

Now, if only we could get Mr. Trump to ask them, since they cannot answer them without admitting Co2 is not the cause of Earth climate change.

 

[mamooth]

maMOOT, you claimed I ran with no response after 2 minutes.

Given how hysterical you are now, I clearly need to leave you alone for a while, to give your butthurt an opportunity to heal.

That really applies to all the deniers on this thread. I wouldn't want them to self-harm.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Given how hysterical you are now, I clearly need to leave you alone for a while, to give your butthurt an opportunity to heal.

That really applies to all the deniers on this thread. I wouldn't want them to self-harm.

Denier sounds like a word a Cult member uses against someone not willing to join their Cult

 

[elektra]

Given how hysterical you are now, I clearly need to leave you alone for a while, to give your butthurt an opportunity to heal.

That really applies to all the deniers on this thread. I wouldn't want them to self-harm.

Runaway maMOOT, runaway, you claimed investments always equal a cash return. When called out on your bullshit, you runaway.

We do not do Marxist Economics

The U.S. government invested in every single one of these bankrupt companies. Now tell us what our cash return is on bankruptcies

The Complete List of Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closures

2023 has brought immense challenges, with higher interest rates, tighter financing, and adverse policy shifts which have contributed to solar bankruptcies.

www.solarinsure.com

Major Solar Contractors That Went Out of Business in 2023 & 2024​

Major Solar Bankruptcies as of September 2024 Include:

• SunPower – Multiple States
• Pink Energy – Multiple States
• MC Solar – Modern Concepts – Florida
• Harness Power – California
• NM Solar Group – New Mexico
• ASA – American Solar Advantage – California
• Kuubix Energy – California
• Erus Energy – Arizona
• Infinity Energy – California
• Suntuity Renewables – Per Sunova – NJ, CA , TX
• ADT Solar – Multiple States
• Vision Solar – Multiple States
• Solcius – CA, NM, AZ, NV
• Sunworks, Inc. – CA
• Kayo Energy – AZ, CA, TX, FL
• iSun – CT
• Titan Solar Power – Multiple States
• Lumio – Utah

California Company Closures:

• ASA – American Solar Advantage – CA
• Bratton Solar- CA
• Canapoy Energy – CA
• Charged Up Energy – CA
• Enver Solar – CA
• Harness Power – CA
• GCI Solar – CA
• Green Nrg – CA
• Kuubix Energy – CA
• Peak Power USA – CA
• Penguin Home- CA
• Polar Solar – CA
• Professional Roofing and Solar – CA
• Sigora Home Solar – CA
• Solsun USA – CA
• Solar Advantage – CA
• Sullivan Solar Power – CA
• Sungrade Solar – CA
• SunPower – CA
• Sunstor Solar – CA
• RGS Energy – CA
• Solar Spectrum – CA
• Sunworks, Inc. – CA
• Swell Energy – CA
• United Solar Inc. – CA

Texas Company Closures:

• American Sun
• Daybreak Solar Power
• Cosmo Solaris – DBA WNK Associates , Under Investigation
• Envirosolar
• Hitech Solar
• Integrity Solar
• Next Energy
• Speir Innovations
• TES Home Solar
• Texas Solar Broker LLC
• Verisolar
• Vulcan Solar

Other States:

• 3D Solar – Florida
• AAA Certified Solar – Nevada
• Accept Solar – MA
• ACE Solar Systems – AZ
• Arizona Solar Concepts – AZ
• Code Green Solar – NJ
• EcoMark Solar – CO
• Elan Solar – UT
• Electriq Power – FL
• Encor Solar – UT
• Gulf South Solar – LA
• Moxie Solar – IA
• Refresh Energy Group – CO
• Saveco Solar – UT
• Solar Is Freedom – OH
• Solar Titan USA – TN
• SolarDot – FL
• Solarworks – AZ
• Solular, LLC – NJ
• Utah Solar Group – UT
• Voltage Solar Power – FL
• Zenernet – AZ