3rd Times a Charm? Question: How have GOP/Trump acted "against" Democracy?

[progressive hunter]

Actually it does. You can be a constitutional republic and a democracy both. It's not an either/or.

A direct democracy is only one type of democracy.

doesnt change the fact we are a constitutional republic not a democracy,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Actually it does. You can be a constitutional republic and a democracy both. It's not an either/or.

A direct democracy is only one type of democracy.

and you arent fooling anyone,, we know why democracy is used instead of constitutional republic,, its to undercut the constitution so when its ignored uninformed people are easily controlled,,

 

[daveman]

They refused to allow Marxist Democrats have their way and exposed Democrats and the Fake News Media as the enemy of the people.

Democrats believe anyone not voting for the Democrat is an attack on democracy.

 

[daveman]

Bu-bu-but Kamala!

Your stupid deflection aside, do you support Trump’s actions when it comes to encouraging the violence on Jan 6?

”You’re very special. We love you.”

Trump's last Facebook post:

Not seeing a lot of encouragement of violence there. Maybe if I looked at it through Dumbass Leftist-colored glasses...

 

[XponentialChaos]

Deflection? The question was asked by one of you snowflakes and deserved an answer.

Yes, a deflection. Look at the title, genius. Do you see anything about Kamala there? Maybe, just maybe, we can put your stupid deflection of her aside and focus on the topic.

Now that we have that cleared up, let's put your idiotic spin aside and focus on a few of Trump's actions on January 6th. I'll be referring to events in the following link:

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”


4:17 p.m.: Hours after the attack unfolded, Trump speaks publicly for the first time in a recorded video message posted on social media.

"I know your pain. I know your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," Trump said in the minute-long video.

"We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. ... So go home. We love you, you’re very special. ... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

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Still with me? Good.

As the violent mob was breaking into the building and secret service was evacuating Pence and his family, Trump was STILL tweeting disparaging remarks about Pence. Do you support those actions from Trump?

Hours after the attack, Trump tells these people that they're very special and that we love them. Do you support these comments from Trump?

Put your bullshit spin and deflections aside and answer these questions.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Trump's last Facebook post:

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Not seeing a lot of encouragement of violence there. Maybe if I looked at it through Dumbass Leftist-colored glasses...

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

Take a look at the timeline:

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:38 p.m.: Trump expresses support for Capitol Police and members of law enforcement, who had been overrun by rioters at the Capitol. He appeared to send this from the Oval Office as a Marine was stationed outside the office at the time of the tweet, typically indicating the president is inside.

“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

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Even as Pence and his family were being evacuated from that violent mob that was breaking in, Trump was STILL attacking him.

 

[daveman]

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

Take a look at the timeline:

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:38 p.m.: Trump expresses support for Capitol Police and members of law enforcement, who had been overrun by rioters at the Capitol. He appeared to send this from the Oval Office as a Marine was stationed outside the office at the time of the tweet, typically indicating the president is inside.

“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

==================================================

Even as Pence and his family were being evacuated from that violent mob that was breaking in, Trump was STILL attacking him.

Yeah, not seeing any encouragement of violence there, either.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Yeah, not seeing any encouragement of violence there, either.

Of course you don't.

Telling these people that he loves them and they're very special is certainly a condemnation of their actions.

 

[Coyote]

Four Times Kamala Harris Incited, Condoned, Or Suggested Violence - The Blue State Conservative

Kamala Harris has made (at least) four statements that could be taken to mean she has supported, condoned, or suggested aggression toward political foes. As Lindsey Graham (R-SC) observed at the onset of the trial, “be careful what you wish for.” We can only hope he means to use these political...

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FLASHBACK: Kamala Harris Laughs As She Warns That Violent Riots Will Continue

redstate.com

I figure you would end up with disreputable sources.

"Kamala Harris says that the riots are not going to stop, ever, and to BEWARE"

If you didn't rely on social media for your information, and had watched the entire interview, you would realize that nowhere in it was there mention of riots, violent protests, looting or arson so how could she be condoning or violence when violence isn't even mentioned? She was talking about the demonstrations as in peaceful protests. In fact, she had elsewhere specifically condemned the violence, rioting and looting.

Second claim, about her speech NAACP condoning or supporting violence is also dishonest.

This was her praise of BLM - as a movement.

“People around our country of every age, of every color, of every gender stood shoulder to shoulder fighting for justice under the law,” she said. “Bad cops are bad for good cops. We need reform of our policing in America and our criminal justice system.”

Yup. That sure is calling for violence.

 

[Coyote]

Yeah, not seeing any encouragement of violence there, either.

He certainly wasn't discouraging it.

 

[Coyote]

Deflection? The question was asked by one of you snowflakes and deserved an answer.

I am sure you didn't want to see the truth any more than you want to hear how the US CP bailed out domestic terrorists to put them back on the street to continue engaging in violent terrorist activities against innocent law-abiding citizens.

As far as Trump goes, he asked people to walk down to the Capitol and peacefully support their GOP reps.

TRUMP was the person who 1st recommended the National Guard be present on 1/6/21, but it was the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House and Senate who rejected the idea because it would be 'bad optics'. This was proven and in the report of a group of bipartisan Senators who have already completed an investigation of 1/6/22. In their report they found major fault with the Capitol Police for being so unprepared for a riot despite the FBI warning them.in advance.

I have posted the link to this numerous times - feel free to research it in my posts or look it up yourself. I refuse to spoonfeed snowflakes.

So why did Trump tell the mob ransacking the White House "You're special, we love you"?

 

[Coyote]

doesnt change the fact we are a constitutional republic not a democracy,,,

Except you are wrong. The "fact" is that we are both a constitutional republic and a democracy. You just think that all democracies are direct democracy and they are not.

 

[Borillar]

The GOP attacked the capitol??? Mainstream conservatism attacked the capital??? When??

Jan 6, 2021 - for those living in a bubble.

 

[Lastamender]

I love it when people that do this trying to sound smart...you always fail.

A constitutional republic is a form of demonocracy.

And real democracy is no more than mob rule.

 

[progressive hunter]

Except you are wrong. The "fact" is that we are both a constitutional republic and a democracy. You just think that all democracies are direct democracy and they are not.

cant be both,,

 

[Coyote]

cant be both,,

Is the United States a Republic?

A republic is when the people who live in the country hold the power. However, in the US, elected representatives are chosen to exercise power.

constitutionus.com

Is the United States a Democracy?​

People often refer to the United States as a democracy and speak of concepts like “democratic” ideals.

But is the US a democracy?

This question can spark a lot of debate.

Once again, the United States is – officially – a constitutional republic. This doesn’t mean, however, that it’s not also a democracy.

Representative Democracy​

As we’ve mentioned a couple of times above, a republic could be thought of as a “representative democracy.”

When people say that the United States is “not a democracy but a republic,” this is a half-truth.

It’s not a direct democracy where each person casts their vote on specific legislation, but any system wherein people cast their votes for members of government is ultimately “democratic” in nature.

 

[easyt65]

Yes, a deflection. Look at the title, genius. Do you see anything about Kamala there? Maybe, just maybe, we can put your stupid deflection of her aside and focus on the topic.

Now that we have that cleared up, let's put your idiotic spin aside and focus on a few of Trump's actions on January 6th. I'll be referring to events in the following link:

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”


4:17 p.m.: Hours after the attack unfolded, Trump speaks publicly for the first time in a recorded video message posted on social media.

"I know your pain. I know your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," Trump said in the minute-long video.

"We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. ... So go home. We love you, you’re very special. ... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

====================================================

Still with me? Good.

As the violent mob was breaking into the building and secret service was evacuating Pence and his family, Trump was STILL tweeting disparaging remarks about Pence. Do you support those actions from Trump?

Hours after the attack, Trump tells these people that they're very special and that we love them. Do you support these comments from Trump?

Put your bullshit spin and deflections aside and answer these questions.

1. You did not clear shit up.

2. I still fail to see where Trump encouraged anyone to violently riot at the Capitol. Can you provide a direct quote and link? Your own words show Trump called for peace and urged people to go home.

3. Trump himself was proven by a bipartisan Senate team's investigation to have been the 1st person to suggest the National Guard be present on 1/6/21 and Democrats / the House & Senate Sergeant At Arms rejected the idea.

4. (#3 was after...) The FBI warned Pelosi and the Capitol Police about the expected crowd... WHY isn't Pelosi being called to testify about who she talked to, what she did, & what she did not do? The Senate investigation report told how the Capitol Police did not prepare, were nit prepared, and were primarily at fault fior the riot getting out of control.

5. The report told how 30 -30 minutes before Trump's speech was over individuals removed barricades and signs saying that area was restricted, which means many people were guilty of trespassing before they even knew they were doing it.

6. You obviously forgot (or not) how the FBI has admitted they had agents / infiltrators in the crowd, like Sullivan...like they had agents inside the group that planned to kidnap Michigan's gov Whittmer...which reportedly the FBI's idea.

The FBI is on record for illegally spying on Americans and defrauding the FISA Court for decades, helping to find Biden's niece's diary - NOT their job, keeping Hunter's laptop hidden/secure - NOT their job...they have proven to be more of a rogue threat than beneficial.

If they Knew about the violent riot coming and warned the Capitol Pol
ice, Pelosi, & the Sergeants-at-Arms in advance, WHY COULDN'T THEY STOP IT / DIDN'T THEY MAKE ANY EFFORT TO STOP IT IN ADVANCE?
- Oops...simple question NOT answered yet...

 

[progressive hunter]

Is the United States a Republic?

A republic is when the people who live in the country hold the power. However, in the US, elected representatives are chosen to exercise power.

constitutionus.com

Is the United States a Democracy?​

People often refer to the United States as a democracy and speak of concepts like “democratic” ideals.

But is the US a democracy?

This question can spark a lot of debate.

Once again, the United States is – officially – a constitutional republic. This doesn’t mean, however, that it’s not also a democracy.

Representative Democracy​

As we’ve mentioned a couple of times above, a republic could be thought of as a “representative democracy.”

When people say that the United States is “not a democracy but a republic,” this is a half-truth.

It’s not a direct democracy where each person casts their vote on specific legislation, but any system wherein people cast their votes for members of government is ultimately “democratic” in nature.

the problem with your definition is it doesnt consider we have a constitution,,

Constitutional Republic - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

Constitutional Republic defined and explained with examples. Constitutional Republic is a form of government in which representatives are elected by the people.

legaldictionary.net

 

[Lastamender]

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

Take a look at the timeline:

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:38 p.m.: Trump expresses support for Capitol Police and members of law enforcement, who had been overrun by rioters at the Capitol. He appeared to send this from the Oval Office as a Marine was stationed outside the office at the time of the tweet, typically indicating the president is inside.

“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

==================================================

Even as Pence and his family were being evacuated from that violent mob that was breaking in, Trump was STILL attacking him.

Was it "bring your family to work" day? Until Ray Epps is charged and we know the number of Feds planted in the crowd the committee are the people that look guilty.

 

[Coyote]

the problem with your definition is it doesnt consider we have a constitution,,

Constitutional Republic - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

Constitutional Republic defined and explained with examples. Constitutional Republic is a form of government in which representatives are elected by the people.

legaldictionary.net

Constitutional Democracy (which we are also).