6th Circuit Federal Appeals Court Gives Thumb's Up to States' Choice on Gay Marriage

[Syriusly]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

 

[Syriusly]

When you've figured out that the state's only role in marriage is to incentivize a situation where children will have both blood parents in the home for their best benefit, let me know, OK?

Oh I can assure you- I will never be that ignorant or deluded.

 

[Silhouette]

When you've figured out that the state's only role in marriage is to incentivize a situation where children will have both blood parents in the home for their best benefit, let me know, OK?

Oh I can assure you- I will never be that ignorant or deluded.

What is the state's interest in marriage then if not to incentivize both blood parents to a potential child to be in its home?

 

[The Rabbi]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

 

[Syriusly]

Marriage isn't about children. Neither is fucking interestingly enough. Children are a byproduct in both cases, and an unnecessary concern as well.

What other interest does a state have for itself in incentivizing two blood parents of children to stay in the home while they raise them? That's the long and the short of any state's total interest in having marriage benefits at all..

Clearly that is false.

Marriage does nothing to incentivize 'blood parents' to stay in the home while they raise them. NOTHING.

Couples who marry receive benefits regardless of whether they have children or not.
Couples who are unable to have biological children receive benefits whether they have children or not.
Couples who are required to prove that they are unable to have children receive benefits.

Meanwhile, the biological parents can stay married even if they do abandon their children, even if the States removes their children from their custody for abuse or neglect.

States incentivize marriage for the benefits of the couples who get married. That is why for example in Nebraska, the surviving spouse is exempt from inheritance tax....but their children are not exempt.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

Gay marriage is legal in 2/3rds of the country and you're still trying this tired and false argument? Give it up kid, that dog won't hunt, it never did.

 

[Syriusly]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

In those States where single gay parents can marry a person of the gender of their choice, there is no discrimination.

 

[The Rabbi]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

In those States where single gay parents can marry a person of the gender of their choice, there is no discrimination.

And in states where anyone is not allowed to marry someone of the same sex there is no discrimination either.

 

[Silhouette]

Clearly that is false.

Marriage does nothing to incentivize 'blood parents' to stay in the home while they raise them. NOTHING.

Couples who marry receive benefits regardless of whether they have children or not.
Couples who are unable to have biological children receive benefits whether they have children or not.
Couples who are required to prove that they are unable to have children receive benefits. .

The state isn't in the business of forcing male/female couples to prove themselves fertile. The state is only in the business of assuming (rightfully so) that the only eligible candidates to be "two blood parents of the children in a given home" are male/female....100% of the time. Childless hetero couples do not fetter the state's anticipation in this regard. They do not mar or tarnish the simple structure of the incentive brass ring.

Plus, childless hetero couples that DO wind up adopting beat out gay couples in one regard: they still provide the vital complimentary gender-as-role-model that is so necessary for a well formed mind of a fledging child as he look at his closest mentors to figure out how to relate to the world and his place in it.

The state's role in marriage is 100% about the children anticipated to be there. You will find this out soon enough as attorneys opposed to your position begin to really turn up the heat in arguments geared to protect untold millions of children well into each state's distant future..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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The state isn't in the business of forcing male/female couples to prove themselves fertile.

If marriage is about children as you say, wrongly, that it is, then they would be.

 

[Silhouette]

If marriage is about children as you say, wrongly, that it is, then they would be.

Nope, a state's interest is in anticipation, not proof.

Read it again:


The state isn't in the business of forcing male/female couples to prove themselves fertile. The state is only in the business of assuming (rightfully so) that the only eligible candidates to be "two blood parents of the children in a given home" are male/female....100% of the time. Childless hetero couples do not fetter the state's anticipation in this regard. They do not mar or tarnish the simple structure of the incentive brass ring.

Plus, childless hetero couples that DO wind up adopting beat out gay couples in one regard: they still provide the vital complimentary gender-as-role-model that is so necessary for a well formed mind of a fledging child as he look at his closest mentors to figure out how to relate to the world and his place in it.

The state's role in marriage is 100% about the children anticipated to be there. You will find this out soon enough as attorneys opposed to your position begin to really turn up the heat in arguments geared to protect untold millions of children well into each state's distant future..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If marriage is about children as you say, wrongly, that it is, then they would be.

Nope, a state's interest is in anticipation, not proof.

Read it again:


The state isn't in the business of forcing male/female couples to prove themselves fertile. The state is only in the business of assuming (rightfully so) that the only eligible candidates to be "two blood parents of the children in a given home" are male/female....100% of the time. Childless hetero couples do not fetter the state's anticipation in this regard. They do not mar or tarnish the simple structure of the incentive brass ring.

Plus, childless hetero couples that DO wind up adopting beat out gay couples in one regard: they still provide the vital complimentary gender-as-role-model that is so necessary for a well formed mind of a fledging child as he look at his closest mentors to figure out how to relate to the world and his place in it.

The state's role in marriage is 100% about the children anticipated to be there. You will find this out soon enough as attorneys opposed to your position begin to really turn up the heat in arguments geared to protect untold millions of children well into each state's distant future..

I understand your position, it's just entirely wrong. The state hands out marriage licenses with no concern as to whether you will or even can have children. When two old people approach they don't refuse them a license. That's because they aren't concerned about the children they might, and obviously no longer can, produce.

 

[Silhouette]

I understand your position, it's just entirely wrong. The state hands out marriage licenses with no concern as to whether you will or even can have children. When two old people approach they don't refuse them a license. That's because they aren't concerned about the children you might produce.

No, they understand that if the two old people are male/female, the structure of "those who may marry" (we are arguing about qualifications after all) isn't harmed at all. It's when two people of the same gender, or numbers more than two apply. That causes a rupture to the definition set for the benefit of children.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I understand your position, it's just entirely wrong. The state hands out marriage licenses with no concern as to whether you will or even can have children. When two old people approach they don't refuse them a license. That's because they aren't concerned about the children you might produce.

No, they understand that if the two old people are male/female, the structure of "those who may marry" (we are arguing about qualifications after all) isn't harmed at all. It's when two people of the same gender, or numbers more than two apply. That causes a rupture to the definition set for the benefit of children.

No, it doesn't, and marriage is not about children. You should be happy gay people want to get married, they raise a lot of children and two-parent households are more stable than one.

 

[The Rabbi]

Clearly that is false.

Marriage does nothing to incentivize 'blood parents' to stay in the home while they raise them. NOTHING.

Couples who marry receive benefits regardless of whether they have children or not.
Couples who are unable to have biological children receive benefits whether they have children or not.
Couples who are required to prove that they are unable to have children receive benefits. .

The state isn't in the business of forcing male/female couples to prove themselves fertile. The state is only in the business of assuming (rightfully so) that the only eligible candidates to be "two blood parents of the children in a given home" are male/female....100% of the time. Childless hetero couples do not fetter the state's anticipation in this regard. They do not mar or tarnish the simple structure of the incentive brass ring.

Plus, childless hetero couples that DO wind up adopting beat out gay couples in one regard: they still provide the vital complimentary gender-as-role-model that is so necessary for a well formed mind of a fledging child as he look at his closest mentors to figure out how to relate to the world and his place in it.

The state's role in marriage is 100% about the children anticipated to be there. You will find this out soon enough as attorneys opposed to your position begin to really turn up the heat in arguments geared to protect untold millions of children well into each state's distant future..

Hylariously just cannot understand this argument. I dont know if it's lack of intelligence, lack of honesty, or a statist mentality that makes everything forbidden and what isnt forbidden is mandatory, or what. But repeating it wont help.

 

[Syriusly]

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

In those States where single gay parents can marry a person of the gender of their choice, there is no discrimination.

And in states where anyone is not allowed to marry someone of the same sex there is no discrimination either.

Of course there is.

 

[The Rabbi]

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

In those States where single gay parents can marry a person of the gender of their choice, there is no discrimination.

And in states where anyone is not allowed to marry someone of the same sex there is no discrimination either.

Of course there is.

Mere assertion fallacy!
Rabbi Rules!

Please tell me where there is discrimination where no one can marry a member of the same sex.

 

[Syriusly]

The state's role in marriage is 100% about the children anticipated to be there. You will find this out soon enough as attorneys opposed to your position begin to really turn up the heat in arguments geared to protect untold millions of children well into each state's distant future..

Clearly that is false.

Wisconsin would not allow first cousins to marry- but only if they proved their infertility- if marriage is '100% about the children anticipated to be there'.

There is no connection at all between the 'incentives' of marriage' and couples having children.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Please tell me where there is discrimination where no one can marry a member of the same sex.

Tell me, why do you continue to use an argument that the courts have tossed, even after gay marriage is legal in most of the US? Are you just stupid?

 

[Seawytch]

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

How do you feel about all those millions of children of single parents who are being deprived of the benefits of marriage? Suppose people choose to be single parents, must they marry another person to save their children the distress of not being in a married home? Couldn't people choose to love and marry themselves? Or are society's mores not quite ready for that? Maybe that's off in the future eh?

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

Single gay parents already have that ability. Single straught parents also cannot marry members of the same sex.
There is no discrimination, as you just showed.

Luckily single parents are permitted by law to marry.

Something single gay parents want to have the same ability to do.

No one is stopping single gay parents from marrying singles of the opposite sex.
Even straight single parents cannot marry anyone of the same sex.
Still alleging discrimination?

Nobody is stopping us from marrying people of the same sex...in 35 out of 50 states. 35 > 15