7000-1. Guess Who Won

[colfax_m]

Comparing industrial type vs. residential zoning to a fucking mural being on someone's wall is admitting you don't actually have an argument.

It’s about as relevant as brining up gas hookups.

 

[Blues Man]

They left out the part where murals have to be permitted before they can be painted on buildings. Or that no one insisted it be taken down.

Unpermitted mural honoring veterans at Salem business gets in crosshairs of code compliance

A patriotic mural painted on a Salem business ignited questions and controversy this week.

www.statesmanjournal.com

City officials contested this claim.

“This mural is a beautiful way to honor and recognize this significant moment in our history, and the sacrifices made by our veterans and their families," officials said in a statement.

"The reason for the code compliance contact is due to the fact that the mural was produced without an application to the Salem Public Arts Commission," Salem Public Works spokesman Trevor Smith said. "Since it hasn’t been established as public art through that process, it is considered a large wall sign per the city’s code. Our sign code is concerned with the size, location, and construction of signage, not what the sign says or how it is portrayed."

More stupid zoning laws meant to squeeze money out of the public

 

[colfax_m]

It's called "walking down the street in Williamsburg".

The question is whether Williamsburg has onerous rules about public displays.

And the lack of such rules may be counter to your narrative.

 

[colfax_m]

We are debating the rules, that's the point of this thread.

You’re debating whether you need to follow the rules.

There’s been no discussion about getting the rules changed, which would be much more productive.

 

[jc456]

So you have no problem with people painting anything on there building as long it is not commercial...
So you have no problem with:

• Gang signs
• Soft porn
• NAZI signs
• Commuist signs
• Signs saying US veterans are just ex crisis actors

Sorry you maybe OK with that but other people (the majority) aren't...

it seems you have no problem with all of that, cause you don't ever talk about getting it removed, like this mural.

 

[jc456]

You’re debating whether you need to follow the rules.

no they're not.

 

[CowboyTed]

It's called "walking down the street in Williamsburg".

A Tremendous Roundup Of Street Art Ridiculing Donald Trump

Thanks for posting art from mainly around the world...

Some of that is areas that it is permitted... Some will be painted over again...

Same rules apply...

Think is this mural wasn't given hinderance or favour... The city hasn't fined or demanded anything so far, it this was another case they could have fined immediately....

Sorry but this isn't a right v left thing... This is about certain communities wanting certain look or not...

Some towns in Europe you need permission to change the colour of your building from certain colors....

How would this look if one guy wants his house painted orange... This effects tourism which is the biggest revenue for this town...

 

[Orangecat]

This wouldn't be a problem if it said BLM or ACAB.

 

[Weatherman2020]

They left out the part where murals have to be permitted before they can be painted on buildings. Or that no one insisted it be taken down.

Unpermitted mural honoring veterans at Salem business gets in crosshairs of code compliance

A patriotic mural painted on a Salem business ignited questions and controversy this week.

www.statesmanjournal.com

City officials contested this claim.

“This mural is a beautiful way to honor and recognize this significant moment in our history, and the sacrifices made by our veterans and their families," officials said in a statement.

"The reason for the code compliance contact is due to the fact that the mural was produced without an application to the Salem Public Arts Commission," Salem Public Works spokesman Trevor Smith said. "Since it hasn’t been established as public art through that process, it is considered a large wall sign per the city’s code. Our sign code is concerned with the size, location, and construction of signage, not what the sign says or how it is portrayed."

A permit to paint your own building?
Thanks for validating Leftards are fascists. The Mayor could have said it needs permitting.

 

[martybegan]

It’s about as relevant as brining up gas hookups.

Again, it's all the same thing. Power, and the abuse of it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

it is on the side of a business. Is it really any different than a sign?

Could have said pay for the permit.
But you fascists hate America.

 

[martybegan]

The question is whether Williamsburg has onerous rules about public displays.

And the lack of such rules may be counter to your narrative.

Rules, rules rules. What a good little Nazi you are.

 

[martybegan]

You’re debating whether you need to follow the rules.

There’s been no discussion about getting the rules changed, which would be much more productive.

The debate is why rules like this were allowed to be passed in the first place.

 

[colfax_m]

Rules, rules rules. What a good little Nazi you are.

You don’t think people should follow the rules?

I do.

And if you don’t like them, get them changed. Right?

 

[Weatherman2020]

You don’t think people should follow the rules?

I do.

And if you don’t like them, get them changed. Right?

Like it’s against the law to paint signs on NYC streets?

 

[colfax_m]

The debate is why rules like this were allowed to be passed in the first place.

What do you mean “allowed”? The rules were almost certainly passed by elective representatives. Unfortunately, it looks like the courts have ruled that these rules are constitutional but I have no problem with them taking the city to court.

See here where a conservative city came down on a mural by a liberal organization.

It's Beautiful, But It's Illegal

If you build a gorgeous 4 story home in Miami Springs, it might be beautiful, but it's not allowed under current law. If you paint a mural on your home, it might be beautiful, but it's also not allowed. Likewise, murals are not allowed in our commercial district as they violate both our color pall

new.miamisprings.com

 

[martybegan]

You don’t think people should follow the rules?

I do.

And if you don’t like them, get them changed. Right?

So the American Revolutionaries should have just followed the rules? Plessey and Rosa parks should have just followed the rules?

 

[martybegan]

What do you mean “allowed”? The rules were almost certainly passed by elective representatives. Unfortunately, it looks like the courts have ruled that these rules are constitutional but I have no problem with them taking the city to court.

See here where a conservative city came down on a mural by a liberal organization.

It's Beautiful, But It's Illegal

If you build a gorgeous 4 story home in Miami Springs, it might be beautiful, but it's not allowed under current law. If you paint a mural on your home, it might be beautiful, but it's also not allowed. Likewise, murals are not allowed in our commercial district as they violate both our color pall

new.miamisprings.com

Wrong is wrong. Sorry, but public arts commissions should not have sway over private property.

 

[colfax_m]

So the American Revolutionaries should have just followed the rules? Plessey and Rosa parks should have just followed the rules?

It’s quite a stretch to compare oneself to Rosa Parks here.

And this analogy can be used to justify a lot of illegal acts.

If this person can demonstrate some kind of special persecution, that’s a little different. Problem is the city government is saying they’re also coming down on a number of other displays, so persecution is going to be harder to prove.

Certainly much harder than Rosa Parks.

 

[martybegan]

It’s quite a stretch to compare oneself to Rosa Parks here.

And this analogy can be used to justify a lot of illegal acts.

If this person can demonstrate some kind of special persecution, that’s a little different. Problem is the city government is saying they’re also coming down on a number of other displays, so persecution is going to be harder to prove.

Certainly much harder than Rosa Parks.

It's simply a comparison, you made a blanket statement, I countered it and showed how stupid it was.