97% of climatologists believe in man-made global warming

KittenKoder said:
Rocks, Chris, I use to be like you. I use to believe in the junk science, until I learned the real science and facts about it. Guess what, you've been conned and are still falling for it. It's more adult to admit you were fooled than it is to stick to the myth.
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They are hypocrites, they don't believe in what they advocate for because if they did, they would be saving the world from 1.5 billion tons of CO2 emmissions. That would be a grand total of 3 billion tons between the two.....

They like speaking from their ass, even though there isn't a lick of solid scientific evidence to prove their quasi position.
 
Chris said:
Let's review shall we....

Glaciers in retreat....

http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/files/norock/repeatphoto/Pairs/RepeatPhoto_pairs_Fullset_compr.pdf

The Polar Ice Cap melting....

NSIDC Arctic Sea Ice News Fall 2007

Antarctic warming.....
Science News / Antarctica Is Getting Warmer Too

CO2 increased by 40%....

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

Every major scientific group on the planet in agreement about the cause.....

BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science
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Despite the hot air, the Antarctic is not warming up - Telegraph
The problem with Antarctica, though, is that has so few weather stations. So what the computer had been programmed to do, by a formula not yet revealed, was to estimate the data those missing weather stations would have come up with if they had existed. In other words, while confirming that the satellite data have indeed shown the Antarctic as cooling since 1979, the study relied ultimately on pure guesswork, to show that in the past 50 years the continent has warmed – by just one degree Fahrenheit.

One of the first to express astonishment was Dr Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist with the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and a convinced believer in global warming, who wryly observed "it is hard to make data where none exists". A disbelieving Ross Hayes, an atmospheric scientist who has often visited the Antarctic for Nasa, sent Professor Steig a caustic email ending: "with statistics you can make numbers go to any conclusion you want. It saddens me to see members of the scientific community do this for media coverage."

But it was also noticed that among the members of Steig's team was Michael Mann, author of the "hockey stick", the most celebrated of all attempts by the warmists to rewrite the scientific evidence to promote their cause. The greatest of all embarrassments for the believers in man-made global warming was the well-established fact that the world was significantly warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now. "We must get rid of the Mediaeval Warm Period," as one contributor to the IPCC famously said in an unguarded moment. It was Dr Mann who duly obliged by getting his computer-model to produce a graph shaped like hockey stick, eliminating the mediaeval warming and showing recent temperatures curving up to an unprecedented high.

This instantly became the warmists' chief icon, made the centrepiece of the IPCC's 2001 report. But Mann's selective use of data and the flaws in his computer model were then so devastatingly torn apart that it has become the most comprehensively discredited artefact in the history of science.

The fact that Dr Mann is again behind the new study on Antarctica is, alas, all part of an ongoing pattern. But this will not prevent the paper being cited ad nauseam by everyone from the BBC to Al Gore, when he shortly addresses the US Senate and carries on advising President Obama behind the scenes on how to roll back that "spectre of a warming planet". So, regardless of the science, and until the politicians finally wake up to how they have been duped, what threatens to become the most costly flight from reality in history will continue to roll remorselessly on its way.

Not the least shocking news of the week was the revelation by that admirable body the Taxpayers Alliance that last year the number of "middle managers" in Britain's local authorities rose by a staggering 22 percent. Birmingham City Council alone has more than 1,000 officials earning over £50,000 a year. All over Britain senior council officials are now earning salaries which 10 years ago would have seemed unthinkable.

Future historians will doubtless find it highly significant that just when Britain's economy was about to collapse, an already hopelessly bloated public sector was expanding faster than ever. One of the more dramatic changes in British life over the past two decades has been how, aided by their counterparts in Whitehall and Brussels, the officials who run our local authorities have become separated from the communities they used to serve. Floating free of political control, they have become a new privileged class, able to dictate their own salaries and extend their own empires, paid for by a public to whom they are no longer accountable.

But if this gulf has already become wide enough, how much more glaring is it going to become now that the private sector is shrinking so fast? Already last year an astonishing 2.5 million people were in court for failing or being unable to pay ever soaring council taxes. Tellingly, the only response of the Local Government Association to these latest revelations was plaintively to point out that as many as "2,700" council jobs have already been lost in the economic downturn. But outside those walls three millon may soon be out of work. Who will then be left to pay for those salaries and pensions that our new privilegentsia have arranged for themselves?

How appropriate that Kenneth Clarke should become "shadow" to Business Secretary Peter Mandelson. As fervent "Europeans", both men know that almost all the policies of the ministry laughably renamed the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform are now decided at "European level". There is therefore hardly any job left for them to do. Mr Clarke will be free to continue advising Centaurus, one of the largest hedge funds in Europe. Lord Mandelson can carry on running the Labour Party, But the last thing either will want to admit is that all the powers they claim or seek to exercise have been handed over to Brussels.
The Government last week announced that in March it is to sell off 25 million "carbon credits". These European Union Allowances permit industry and electricity companies to continue emitting CO2, ultimately paid for by all of us through our electricity bills. Last summer, when these permits were trading at 31 euros each, this sale might have raised more than £500 million pounds, Today, however, thanks to the economic meltdown creating a surplus of credits no longer needed, their value is dropping so fast that Mr Darling will be lucky to get £100 million. That should help reduce our electricity bills – even though Mr Darling will merely have to extract the cash from us in other ways.
 
In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
 
Chris said:
In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a "greenhouse effect" which affects the planet's temperature. These scientists were interested chiefly in the possibility that a lower level of carbon dioxide gas might explain the ice ages of the distant past. At the turn of the century, Svante Arrhenius calculated that emissions from human industry might someday bring a global warming. Other scientists dismissed his idea as faulty. In 1938, G.S. Callendar argued that the level of carbon dioxide was climbing and raising global temperature, but most scientists found his arguments implausible. It was almost by chance that a few researchers in the 1950s discovered that global warming truly was possible. In the early 1960s, C.D. Keeling measured the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere: it was rising fast. Researchers began to take an interest, struggling to understand how the level of carbon dioxide had changed in the past, and how the level was influenced by chemical and biological forces. They found that the gas plays a crucial role in climate change, so that the rising level could gravely affect our future.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
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Could being the operative word...
 
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What is so apparent with the contradicting posts that have numerous scientific studies to back them up is that there has NEVER been an actual consensus on this issue.

So if Gore etc. are stating "The Debate Is Over" you must ask yourself WHY they would do that. What is the motivation to lie?

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Oh my, every scientific society in the world, every National Academy of Science, and every major university states that global warming is occuring, that it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, and that it represents a clear and present danger to our future, but that is not a consensus?. LOL

You dingbats have no arguement. The continental caps are melting by the giga-ton, the alpine glaciers are rapidly disappearing, and we are seeing major feedbacks now from the arctic tundra, permafrost zones, and clathrates in the arctic ocean. And you cretins are bleating about a 'cooling'?

You are presented with peer reviewed artilcles from scientific journals, articles from Scientific American and the National Geographic, and you reply with articles from Prison Planet. Lordy, lordy. And when you did reply with a peer reviewed article, Lindzen's, it's conclusions and predictions from 1993 were so far from reality that we now experiance that one can have no confidence at all in his ability to draw correct conclusions from the evidence that is presented to him.
 
Here's a new thought, or theory, that most environuts won't like.

The earth itself is a living organism .. at least many believe so. We can agree that most of the earths resources actually come from rain forests. Rain forests need warmer temperatures to thrive, tropical weather patterns more specifically. Perhaps the planet is evolving to support the life it has by warming up so that the rain forests can thrive in more places, thus cleaning the atmosphere and providing larger amounts of oxygen for the species that require it. Let's just suppose this is the case, then stopping it would actually not help us, but allowing it to happen would increase our resources vastly to accommodate our species' increasing population while increasing our chances of finding better and more resources for fuel and sciences (primarily medical) without harming the current limited rain forests.
 
Sinatra said:
What is so apparent with the contradicting posts that have numerous scientific studies to back them up is that there has NEVER been an actual consensus on this issue.

So if Gore etc. are stating "The Debate Is Over" you must ask yourself WHY they would do that. What is the motivation to lie?

$$$$$$$$$....
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No, what is apparent is that in spite of irrefutable photographic evidence of global warming, the deniers can't accept the truth.

Once again, why have these glaciers melted?

http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/files/norock/repeatphoto/Pairs/RepeatPhoto_pairs_Fullset_compr.pdf
 
Chris said:
Sinatra said:
What is so apparent with the contradicting posts that have numerous scientific studies to back them up is that there has NEVER been an actual consensus on this issue.

So if Gore etc. are stating "The Debate Is Over" you must ask yourself WHY they would do that. What is the motivation to lie?

$$$$$$$$$....
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No, what is apparent is that in spite of irrefutable photographic evidence of global warming, the deniers can't accept the truth.

Once again, why have these glaciers melted?

http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/files/norock/repeatphoto/Pairs/RepeatPhoto_pairs_Fullset_compr.pdf
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Why does a dog lick his ass? Both have about the same to do with AGW...
 
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