A dark day for Trump. The darkest day for the presidency since Watergate.

[EGR one]

Bill Clinton paid off Paula Jones. Tough to say if it was the right thing to do.

If Trump is guilty of campaign finance violations, he should be punished like Obama was in 2008, when he was fined for $375,000 for violating campaign finance laws.

I m happy to see a tax cheat maybe go to jail. They all should.

And trump should be impeached

Sure, bring his legal violations before Congress and vote on it.

Clinton was impeached and disbarred. Shit happens, right?

If Trump committed impeachable offenses, he should be impeached.

What’s your case for impeachment, specifically?

Watch the news.

And Michael Cohen has more dirt. Stay tuned.

Never before has a presidents lawyer implicated him in a federal crime

What federal crime would that be?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

Stop asking me stupid softball questions. Look this shit up yourself.

Trump is now, formally, implicated in a criminal conspiracy to mislead the American public in order to influence an election. Were he not President, Donald Trump himself would almost certainly be facing charges. This news came in what must be considered the most damaging single hour of a deeply troubled Presidency.

Cohen, the President’s longtime adviser, fixer, and, until recently, personal attorney, told a judge that Trump explicitly instructed him to break campaign-finance laws by paying two women not to publicly disclose the affairs they had with Trump.


Funny you guys understood exactly what Bill Clinton did wrong but now you are playing stupid.

The question can no longer be whether the President and those closest to him broke the law. That is settled. Three of the people closest to Trump as he ran for and won the Presidency have now pleaded guilty or have been convicted of significant federal crimes: Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn. The question now becomes far narrower and, for Trump, more troubling: What is the political impact of a President’s criminal liability being established in a federal court? How will Congress respond? And if Congress does not act, how will voters respond in the midterm elections?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

If misleading the American people to influence a political campaign, was a federal crime, two thirds of the politicians in Washington DC would be on their way to jail.

 

[mudwhistle]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

And already they are attacking Michael cohens credibility.

Rudy even admitted trump committed a criminal crime and knew trump reimbursted Michael Cohen.

Now, I think Cohen has info on russia. Stay tuned.

Michael Cohen is a confessed criminal felon.
I think he's ruined his credibility all by himself.

 

[EGR one]

And trump should be impeached

Sure, bring his legal violations before Congress and vote on it.

Clinton was impeached and disbarred. Shit happens, right?

If Trump committed impeachable offenses, he should be impeached.

What’s your case for impeachment, specifically?

Watch the news.

And Michael Cohen has more dirt. Stay tuned.

Never before has a presidents lawyer implicated him in a federal crime

What federal crime would that be?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

Stop asking me stupid softball questions. Look this shit up yourself.

Trump is now, formally, implicated in a criminal conspiracy to mislead the American public in order to influence an election. Were he not President, Donald Trump himself would almost certainly be facing charges. This news came in what must be considered the most damaging single hour of a deeply troubled Presidency.

Cohen, the President’s longtime adviser, fixer, and, until recently, personal attorney, told a judge that Trump explicitly instructed him to break campaign-finance laws by paying two women not to publicly disclose the affairs they had with Trump.


Funny you guys understood exactly what Bill Clinton did wrong but now you are playing stupid.

The question can no longer be whether the President and those closest to him broke the law. That is settled. Three of the people closest to Trump as he ran for and won the Presidency have now pleaded guilty or have been convicted of significant federal crimes: Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn. The question now becomes far narrower and, for Trump, more troubling: What is the political impact of a President’s criminal liability being established in a federal court? How will Congress respond? And if Congress does not act, how will voters respond in the midterm elections?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

Trump broke the law as much as Cohen did

Chalk this up as the first of a long list of charges against Trump and his gpfamily

It is a long, long way from the accusation of a crime to the verdict. In Trump's case, a guilty verdict would be highly doubtful. There are several legal defenses to such a charge.

 

[basquebromance]

"The White House is now simultaneously arguing that (1) since Trump hasn't been indicted he's done nothing wrong and (2) a president can't be indicted. They're purposely setting the criminality bar at impossible."

 

[EGR one]

"The White House is now simultaneously arguing that (1) since Trump hasn't been indicted he's done nothing wrong and (2) a president can't be indicted. They're purposely setting the criminality bar at impossible."

"The White House is now simultaneously arguing that (1) since Trump hasn't been indicted he's done nothing wrong and (2) a president can't be indicted. They're purposely setting the criminality bar at impossible."

A president must be removed from office through impeachment and/or resignation before he can be officially charged with a crime. That is where the bar has always been.

 

[dudmuck]

Michael Cohen Implicates Trump In Potential Criminal Violations Of Campaign Finance Law

And the day this all happened, Trump crowds yell "Lock her up"???

Crowd Chants 'Lock Her Up' The Day Trump's Former Aides Are Convicted Of Felonies | HuffPost

ha yea...

doesn't change the crimes of hitlery that's why! BTW, if anyone breaks a law they should be punished. funny, you don't feel that way eh?

Sure..
Mueller is going after shady democrats also.

 

[sealybobo]

Don't forget Republicans, we all know how loyal you are even to a criminal like Trump as long as he's a Republican. But we also know that you would throw him under the bus just as fast as you threw GW Bush under the bus.

But for right now, Trump was right about you all when he said he could murder someone and not lose one of you deplorables.

So, what's Trump's crime? Be specific.

All bill did was lie about a bj. Trump has done much more.

When all your associates are being found guilty....

Republicans have been protecting trump. Imagine if this was obama

Washington DC has been a den of corruption for several decades now. At least 90% of the lowlifes living on the government food wagon are guilty of multiple crimes. If the special prosecutor picked any of them, at random, he could find tax evasion, election fraud, and a multitude of other crimes. That includes Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

The only time they prosecute each other is when politics makes it profitable to do so.

Yea sure. Remember you guys made a bigly deal about the Clinton Foundation?

New York state subpoenas Cohen in Trump Foundation probe

 

[sealybobo]

Sure, bring his legal violations before Congress and vote on it.

Clinton was impeached and disbarred. Shit happens, right?

If Trump committed impeachable offenses, he should be impeached.

What’s your case for impeachment, specifically?

Watch the news.

And Michael Cohen has more dirt. Stay tuned.

Never before has a presidents lawyer implicated him in a federal crime

What federal crime would that be?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

Stop asking me stupid softball questions. Look this shit up yourself.

Trump is now, formally, implicated in a criminal conspiracy to mislead the American public in order to influence an election. Were he not President, Donald Trump himself would almost certainly be facing charges. This news came in what must be considered the most damaging single hour of a deeply troubled Presidency.

Cohen, the President’s longtime adviser, fixer, and, until recently, personal attorney, told a judge that Trump explicitly instructed him to break campaign-finance laws by paying two women not to publicly disclose the affairs they had with Trump.


Funny you guys understood exactly what Bill Clinton did wrong but now you are playing stupid.

The question can no longer be whether the President and those closest to him broke the law. That is settled. Three of the people closest to Trump as he ran for and won the Presidency have now pleaded guilty or have been convicted of significant federal crimes: Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn. The question now becomes far narrower and, for Trump, more troubling: What is the political impact of a President’s criminal liability being established in a federal court? How will Congress respond? And if Congress does not act, how will voters respond in the midterm elections?

With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy

Trump broke the law as much as Cohen did

Chalk this up as the first of a long list of charges against Trump and his gpfamily

It is a long, long way from the accusation of a crime to the verdict. In Trump's case, a guilty verdict would be highly doubtful. There are several legal defenses to such a charge.

My how you guys are

 

[Skylar]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

"Hush" money isn't a crime.

Or a campaign finance violation.

I'm a certified election professional. It's part of my job to know these things.

Prove your credentials.....since you're citing yourself as your own source.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Sock.

?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

In sum, it’s not Cohen’s word against Trump’s, but rather a raft of witnesses whom prosecutors have or will be able to talk to (some to avoid liability of their own) and documents as well. There is, in short, a ton of evidence out there concerning the campaign finance scheme to make sure two women didn’t mess up Trump’s chances of getting elected. If Trump learned anything from the Paul Manafort trial, it should be that discrediting a single witness doesn’t eradicate piles of complementary evidence. Trump might try discrediting Cohen, but it’s Cohen who has the corroborating documents and witnesses to back him up.

I think this bears repeating, although I can't help but wonder what actual affect if any these disclosures would have had on the voting public.

As is often the case, it's not the act that sometimes is the problem but the cover up.

 

[The Original Tree]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

I thought you were talking about Barak Obama coming to visit the White House.

Meh....none of this has anything to do with The President.

The impact on the voting public will be Nill, as they just don't really give a fuck about your agenda, nor do they listen to The Liberal Goose-Stepping Media any more.

Sux to be you.

 

[g5000]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

And already they are attacking Michael cohens credibility.

Rudy even admitted trump committed a criminal crime and knew trump reimbursted Michael Cohen.

Now, I think Cohen has info on russia. Stay tuned.

Michael Cohen is a confessed criminal felon.
I think he's ruined his credibility all by himself.

Nice try. See post 165.

 

[sealybobo]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

And already they are attacking Michael cohens credibility.

Rudy even admitted trump committed a criminal crime and knew trump reimbursted Michael Cohen.

Now, I think Cohen has info on russia. Stay tuned.

Michael Cohen is a confessed criminal felon.
I think he's ruined his credibility all by himself.

You mean like Mueller, Comey or anyone who goes again Trump?

No one who says one bad word about Trump has credibility with you. With normal people yes but not you.

 

[mudwhistle]

ANALYSIS: Two of the president's former associates were in court Tuesday. Both guilty of multiple felonies. What happened to draining the swamp?

by Jonathan Allen / Aug.21.2018 / 6:11 PM ET

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — There hasn't been a darker moment for a president — or for the presidency — since Richard Nixon resigned on the verge of impeachment in 1974.

On Tuesday, Michael Cohen, the president's longtime fixer and former personal lawyer, pleaded guilty to felony crimes that included illegally paying women hush money to help Donald Trump win the presidency in 2016. Most important, he said he did so at Trump's direction.

In other words, Trump cheated to win the White House, according to one of his closest former associates.
​

Thoughts on the following?

It wasn't just a bad day for Trump, it was a historically awful day for the presidency.​

And already they are attacking Michael cohens credibility.

Rudy even admitted trump committed a criminal crime and knew trump reimbursted Michael Cohen.

Now, I think Cohen has info on russia. Stay tuned.

Michael Cohen is a confessed criminal felon.
I think he's ruined his credibility all by himself.

You mean like Mueller, Comey or anyone who goes again Trump?

No one who says one bad word about Trump has credibility with you. With normal people yes but not you.

Normal people aren't paying attention or care enough to know the issues. Usually when I start debating a topic I do a search on the subject and I read the bios of the people involved.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Trump was not named because he is not (yet anyway) a defendant. Generally, one will be named in an indictment only if the person is a named defendant.

I don't understand how this works. Is the presumption that he's referring to Trump BECAUSE he was Trump's attorney or can we presume that because the FBI raided Cohen's offices and seized his records that they KNOW it was Trump?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Don't forget Republicans, we all know how loyal you are even to a criminal like Trump as long as he's a Republican. But we also know that you would throw him under the bus just as fast as you threw GW Bush under the bus.

But for right now, Trump was right about you all when he said he could murder someone and not lose one of you deplorables.

So, what's Trump's crime? Be specific.

All bill did was lie about a bj. Trump has done much more.

Like what?

Cohen is prepared to speak to special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating whether Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia and whether he obstructed justice.

So I guess we will find out after Mueller speaks to Cohen. Don't get excited. Be patient. 12 months ago you guys were saying nothing burger and witch hunt and today we have how many convictions and plea deals and indictments and guilty verdicts? Papadapolous, Flynt, Manafort, Cohen.

Hell even Don Jr. and Jeff Sessions have been caught lying about Russia. How fucking stupid are you? Or loyal. You know who you sound like? You sound like the bastard child of Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Rudy Guilliani. Or Chris Christy and Kellyanne Conway. LOL

If you think it is something, please tie your criminal somethings to Trump. Again, be specific. Cause and effect.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Ahhh...how cute! Are you going to be my next puppy and follow me around thread to thread trying to get my attention?

Mueller has got Cohen by the balls. Cohen will say anything Mueller wants.

Nothing will come of it.

I think you are wrong, billy. This whole mess has me thinking of my own reactions at the news about Bill Clinton. I just hated the fact the dumb oversexed fool couldn't keep it in his knickers. It was embarrassing. I claimed at the time that if he were my kid, I'd slap the snot out of him. Yet I stayed on his team because I thought he was good for American and Americans. I waffled that it wasn't like footsie with another nation formerly aggressive toward our model of governance. And even today with Trump, the dalliances with the pretty girls is not a primary knuckle-biter for me. But the fact is I intensely dislike this man as President of my country for more reasons than I can count on my fingers and toes. So I am sort of reveling today and sort of embarrassed before the world at the same time. I do believe he knew and accepted the aid of foreign influence on people who thought he'd be a refreshing change. That's like not liking the plumber's union rates so rebelling by hiring your lawn mower to fix your pipes. Trump is a reaction, not a thoughtful choice. And yes, she would have been better, sneaky or not, because she knows the ropes better, and can think beyond herself. Canny is not a bad feature when dealing with others who would enjoy seeing your nation fail.

No one cared about the BJ. Bill lied under oath. That's a crime. What is Trump's crime?

Had Clinton been elected, I believe we would now be in the beginning stages of a second civil war.

I have to disagree about the civil war too, billy. There was no civil war when SCOTUS awarded the Presidency to GWB after Gore won the popular vote, nor during this past election when the gerrymandered EC awarded the highest office in the land to a grifter who is making money hand over fist thru the office, in spite of the 3 mil popular votes to the contrary.

So. Now you know that the presidency is not won by popular vote. Progress.

The Democratic Party is no longer an America-centric party. Americans will take issue with any attempted move toward negating the constitution/installing totalitarianism, whether by popular vote or not. I believe such a move would at the very least conjure an insurgency of millions.

It's the things you can't see that count.

I think there are a lot of things you 'can't' (or wont) see. Like how you think Trump is defending the Constitution. BTW, you old curmudgeon, thanks for cogent arguments instead of bumper-sticker kid stuff.

There is nothing in my post that is either not true (The Party) or a valid speculation (results of possible party activity) based upon current circumstances.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Trump is now in peril. He stands accused of breaking the law to get elected, which would make him an illegitimate President.
.

What law did he break specifically ?

 

[g5000]

Trump is now in peril. He stands accused of breaking the law to get elected, which would make him an illegitimate President.
.

What law did he break specifically ?

Turn off Fox News and watch some real news. Fox is keeping the Tard Herd in the dark.