A few question's for atheists ?

[Youwerecreated]

Why do most atheists defend Neo-darwinism when Neo-darwinism can't give a logical explanation supported by evidence as to the origins of life ?
Why do they reject the possibility of creation ?

Perhaps you ask those questions because you want to believe the Bible even though the scientific consenses is that we evolved. Is it because you perhaps think these informed experts don't know what they are doing? There is a long and complext chain of primate fossils leading up to us.

You say the theory of evolution does not, but needs to, give evidence as to the origins of life.
The first step in the process was the synthesis of organic matter. A century ago it was believed to have some "spiritual essense" and hence would never be able to be artificially snythesized. That was soon forgotten because science did soon figure out how to synthesize it! You need to be aware of how close we are to synthesizing organic life, cellls.

Perhaps theists should stop shrinking from the evidence and recognize that we Non-Theists are proud of having evolved to where the human race dominates the Planet. We even have the potential of colonizing and ultimately taking over the Universe as well. We did not descend, we ascended. We don't need to stay fixed to some old Book just to feel pride in ourselves, the common human race. It struggled and suffered through natural selection to achieve what we now have. It was not handed to us by some "spirit." We don't need "spirits" to explain things anymore.

It seems like you need to have a talk with Mr. clean, Private joke.

You never ever will be able to show how the first cell could have come in to existence by a natural process.

Even if you accomplish what you say you are on the verge of doing it took intelligence to accomplish it ?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

All you have done is quote the bible.

What you need to be asking yourself is, how did the one who wrote this portion of the bible know the earth was round.

And what you need to be showing to back up your claims is that the people reading the Bible knew/believed the earth to be spherical (it's not actually a sphere) based solely on the verses you're citing. Aristotle knew in 350 BC that the earth was not flat and believed it to be a sphere. So to support your claims, you need to show that Jews believed the earth to be a sphere before 350 BC based off of the verses you cite.

The Old Testament was written from approximately 1400 B.C. to approximately 400 B.C.

 

[Youwerecreated]

All you have done is quote the bible.

What you need to be asking yourself is, how did the one who wrote this portion of the bible know the earth was round.

And what you need to be showing to back up your claims is that the people reading the Bible knew/believed the earth to be spherical (it's not actually a sphere) based solely on the verses you're citing. Aristotle knew in 350 BC that the earth was not flat and believed it to be a sphere. So to support your claims, you need to show that Jews believed the earth to be a sphere before 350 BC based off of the verses you cite.

The writings themselves were written long before Aristotle.

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.

 

[pinqy]

What you need to be asking yourself is, how did the one who wrote this portion of the bible know the earth was round.

And what you need to be showing to back up your claims is that the people reading the Bible knew/believed the earth to be spherical (it's not actually a sphere) based solely on the verses you're citing. Aristotle knew in 350 BC that the earth was not flat and believed it to be a sphere. So to support your claims, you need to show that Jews believed the earth to be a sphere before 350 BC based off of the verses you cite.

The writings themselves were written long before Aristotle. blah blah blah

All that writing but NOT ONCE did you show that, based on the Bible alone, people believed the earth to be spherical.

Yes, the flat earth idea is mostly a myth, but you have NOT shown that the idea of a spherical earth came from the Bible as opposed to observation and inductive reasoning. You're making post facto claims about what is written in the Bible.

 

[Youwerecreated]

And what you need to be showing to back up your claims is that the people reading the Bible knew/believed the earth to be spherical (it's not actually a sphere) based solely on the verses you're citing. Aristotle knew in 350 BC that the earth was not flat and believed it to be a sphere. So to support your claims, you need to show that Jews believed the earth to be a sphere before 350 BC based off of the verses you cite.

The writings themselves were written long before Aristotle. blah blah blah

All that writing but NOT ONCE did you show that, based on the Bible alone, people believed the earth to be spherical.

Yes, the flat earth idea is mostly a myth, but you have NOT shown that the idea of a spherical earth came from the Bible as opposed to observation and inductive reasoning. You're making post facto claims about what is written in the Bible.

Where do you think that information could have come from if not the bible ?

 

[pinqy]

The writings themselves were written long before Aristotle. blah blah blah

All that writing but NOT ONCE did you show that, based on the Bible alone, people believed the earth to be spherical.

Yes, the flat earth idea is mostly a myth, but you have NOT shown that the idea of a spherical earth came from the Bible as opposed to observation and inductive reasoning. You're making post facto claims about what is written in the Bible.

Where do you think that information could have come from if not the bible ?

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

 

[Youwerecreated]

All that writing but NOT ONCE did you show that, based on the Bible alone, people believed the earth to be spherical.

Yes, the flat earth idea is mostly a myth, but you have NOT shown that the idea of a spherical earth came from the Bible as opposed to observation and inductive reasoning. You're making post facto claims about what is written in the Bible.

Where do you think that information could have come from if not the bible ?

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

No, but manuscripts for the bible wrote that the earth was round before Aristotle.

Spherical Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Youwerecreated]

All that writing but NOT ONCE did you show that, based on the Bible alone, people believed the earth to be spherical.

Yes, the flat earth idea is mostly a myth, but you have NOT shown that the idea of a spherical earth came from the Bible as opposed to observation and inductive reasoning. You're making post facto claims about what is written in the Bible.

Where do you think that information could have come from if not the bible ?

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

So if the spherical earth dates back to ancient greek philosophy 6th century BC why is it recorded by the writers of the old testament before then ?

 

[pinqy]

Where do you think that information could have come from if not the bible ?

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

So if the spherical earth dates back to ancient greek philosophy 6th century BC why is it recorded by the writers of the old testament before then ?

Is it? Knowing the earth is spherical (though it's really not) from other means (teachings of science including the Greek philosophers) you INTERPRET the OT as representing a spherical earth. But that's ex post facto. Is there any evidence to show that the interpretation of a spherical earth was derived from the Bible PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery? Again...it doesn't matter what you read into it NOW, how was it understood THEN?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

So if the spherical earth dates back to ancient greek philosophy 6th century BC why is it recorded by the writers of the old testament before then ?

Is it? Knowing the earth is spherical (though it's really not) from other means (teachings of science including the Greek philosophers) you INTERPRET the OT as representing a spherical earth. But that's ex post facto. Is there any evidence to show that the interpretation of a spherical earth was derived from the Bible PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery? Again...it doesn't matter what you read into it NOW, how was it understood THEN?

Well at least 600 bc. Don't know I was not there,but I read something that said ancient Hebrews believed in a round world nor flat and if I find that article I will post it. It was from Jewish historian . Also read an article from an Egyptian historian that supported that view. Let me see if I cam come across it.

 

[Newby]

Aristotle read the Bible????????

There were several signs pointing to a spherical earth: Stars change when you go north or south. A ship disappears over the horizon before its mast. The earth's shadow on the moon during an eclipse is clearly an arc. Shadows are different lengths at different lattitudes. These are how the Greeks figured it out.

Again, in order to show that scientific knowledge came from the Bible, you must show that that's how it was interpreted/understood PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery.

And then you have to deal with the Geo-centric model clearly specified in the Bible (Joshua).

So if the spherical earth dates back to ancient greek philosophy 6th century BC why is it recorded by the writers of the old testament before then ?

Is it? Knowing the earth is spherical (though it's really not) from other means (teachings of science including the Greek philosophers) you INTERPRET the OT as representing a spherical earth. But that's ex post facto. Is there any evidence to show that the interpretation of a spherical earth was derived from the Bible PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery? Again...it doesn't matter what you read into it NOW, how was it understood THEN?

Your question doesn't make sense in the context of the debate. It doesn't matter who interpreted that there was a round Earth by reading the Bible, the point that he's making is that a round Earth is described in the Bible, long before that thought came about. Whether the people of the time interpreted it that way is irrelevant. As a matter of fact, to take it a step further, if the people of the time didn't accept that theory, then the Bible went against accepted thought of the time, which proves his point even more.

 

[Newby]

Why do most atheists defend Neo-darwinism when Neo-darwinism can't give a logical explanation supported by evidence as to the origins of life ?
Why do they reject the possibility of creation ?

Perhaps you ask those questions because you want to believe the Bible even though the scientific consenses is that we evolved. Is it because you perhaps think these informed experts don't know what they are doing? There is a long and complext chain of primate fossils leading up to us.

You say the theory of evolution does not, but needs to, give evidence as to the origins of life.
The first step in the process was the synthesis of organic matter. A century ago it was believed to have some "spiritual essense" and hence would never be able to be artificially snythesized. That was soon forgotten because science did soon figure out how to synthesize it! You need to be aware of how close we are to synthesizing organic life, cellls.

Perhaps theists should stop shrinking from the evidence and recognize that we Non-Theists are proud of having evolved to where the human race dominates the Planet. We even have the potential of colonizing and ultimately taking over the Universe as well. We did not descend, we ascended. We don't need to stay fixed to some old Book just to feel pride in ourselves, the common human race. It struggled and suffered through natural selection to achieve what we now have. It was not handed to us by some "spirit." We don't need "spirits" to explain things anymore.

What did we evolve from?

 

[JScott]

What does the bible say about brain cancer stemming from cell phones?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Do you think men 3,000 to 3,500 hundred years ago, that wrote the bible in their language,not english,should have used modern day verbiage so people like you and i could understand what they were saying ? use a little reasoning will you.

sphere/sfi(&#601r/Noun


1. A round solid figure, or its surface, with every point on its surface equidistant from its center.

2. An object having this shape; a ball or globe

What's the appearance of a round object ? how bout a does appear to be a solid circle ?

Hmm the outside edge of the earth looks like a circle to me.

Google

Unfortunately, a sphere, globe, ball or other spherical shapes are not circles.

If you and buggy can't reason out what was meant by circle of the earth there is no point in carrying this forward . You two are just a little to disingenuous for my taste. I expect someone when debating be somewhat honest and not a tool. Have a good night.

You are proven wrong by definition yet you still say you are right.

A circle is flat. That's basic geometry from say 5000 years ago.


Oh that's right you don't think the earth is that old.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have presented more emiprical evidence for proof in what i believe than your side has presented for support of your view i wonder why

All you have done is quote the bible.

A circle is round no ?

The apperance of the earth is round no ?

A ball is round no ?

A sphere is round no ?

Picture of both a cir cle and sphere are round no ?

22. It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell.

Isaiah is describing a round earth. His throne is above the circle of the earth.

What other word in Hebrew would describe the earth as round ?

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I have presented more emiprical evidence for proof in what i believe than your side has presented for support of your view i wonder why

All you have done is quote the bible.

What you need to be asking yourself is, how did the one who wrote this portion of the bible know the earth was round.

Excuse me but haven't you said that more than one person wrote the bible?

 

[Sky Dancer]

If the Bible were infallible, the earth would be flat.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Unfortunately, a sphere, globe, ball or other spherical shapes are not circles.

If you and buggy can't reason out what was meant by circle of the earth there is no point in carrying this forward . You two are just a little to disingenuous for my taste. I expect someone when debating be somewhat honest and not a tool. Have a good night.

You are proven wrong by definition yet you still say you are right.

A circle is flat. That's basic geometry from say 5000 years ago.


Oh that's right you don't think the earth is that old.

Are you still hung up on the word that many years ago that describes the piremeter of the earth.

The Bible tells us in Isaiah 40:22 "It is He that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;" This was written around 740 BC and is the oldest written proof.

 

[Youwerecreated]

All you have done is quote the bible.

What you need to be asking yourself is, how did the one who wrote this portion of the bible know the earth was round.

Excuse me but haven't you said that more than one person wrote the bible?

That is correct, but we were being specific no ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

If the Bible were infallible, the earth would be flat.

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.
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