A few question's for atheists ?

[Youwerecreated]

All you have done is quote the bible.

A circle is round no ?

The apperance of the earth is round no ?

A ball is round no ?

A sphere is round no ?

Picture of both a cir cle and sphere are round no ?

22. It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell.

Isaiah is describing a round earth. His throne is above the circle of the earth.

What other word in Hebrew would describe the earth as round ?

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

 

[JScott]

If the Bible were infallible, the earth would be flat.

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.
__________________

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

 

[JScott]

A circle is round no ?

The apperance of the earth is round no ?

A ball is round no ?

A sphere is round no ?

Picture of both a cir cle and sphere are round no ?

22. It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell.

Isaiah is describing a round earth. His throne is above the circle of the earth.

What other word in Hebrew would describe the earth as round ?

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

Youd think God would have provided a new term, like science does, to explain a sphere.

 

[Youwerecreated]

If the Bible were infallible, the earth would be flat.

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.
__________________

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny you guys feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many scientist who do not support your myths.

 

[Mr Natural]

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.
__________________

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny with you guys you feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many who do not support your myths.

Probably just as many who do not support your myths.

 

[Youwerecreated]

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

Youd think God would have provided a new term, like science does, to explain a sphere.

The key is he did it for the time, just like science does today.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny with you guys you feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many who do not support your myths.

Probably just as many who do not support your myths.

Runnin out of time Mr. clean.

 

[JScott]

Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?

Quick-read this article:
The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. It teaches that the earth is spherical. We did a study of 5000 writings from the time of Plato and Aristotle, and could not find one writer who said the earth is flat. We believe the flat-earth idea is a myth that flourished after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible.

The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat. The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara.

Professor Jeffrey Burton Russell said in his book Inventing the Flat Earth, first released in the early 1990s, that up until the time of Columbus “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical”. Professor Russell said he believes that the flat-earth myth can largely be traced back to a story by Washington Irving, which relates a mythical account of Columbus defending a round earth against bigoted, misinformed clergy and university professors.

He said there is nothing in the documents from Christopher Columbus's time or in early accounts of Columbus's life that suggests any debate over the shape of the earth. He said the flat-earth myth flourished between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. It seemed an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.

Another source for the myth

We believe that another source for the myth was Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. In this satire of courts and politicians, Swift wrote:

They bury their dead with their hands directly downwards, because they hold an opinion, that in eleven thousand moons they are all to rise again, in which period the earth (which they conceive to be flat) will turn upside down …

The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above “the circle of the earth” (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.

What did the ancients believe?

American writer Thomas Bullfinch (1796–1867) said in the Introduction of his book Age of Fable that “The Greeks believed the earth to be flat and circular …”.

Yet when we check Bullfinch's statement with ancient Greek writings we find that his claim was not true of some of the greatest Greek thinkers, such as Aristotle and Socrates. The brilliant fourth century BC Greek philosopher Aristotle wrote in Book II, chapter 14 of his work Heavens (350 BC):

Of the position of the earth and of the manner of its rest or movement, our discussion may here end. Its shape must necessarily be spherical.

Aristotle, Augustine, and others

Aristotle reiterated this in his Meteorology, and gave reasons and calculations to show that the stars and the heavens are also spherical. “… the horizon always changes with a change in our position,” he wrote, “which proves that the earth is convex and spherical.”

Likewise, we find problems with a statement in W. Somerset Maugham's book, Of Human Bondage. In a conversation between Weeks and Philip in Maugham's book, we find this comment:

St. Augustine believed that the earth was flat and that the sun turned round it.

That's what Maugham wrote. But did Saint Augustine believe the earth was flat?

Augustine (AD 354–430) was one of the most prominent of the early church fathers. When we turn to Augustine's 22-volume treatise, The City of God (De Civitate Dei), we find that he didn't believe the earth to be flat at all. Maugham was wrong. Augustine did have problems accepting that there were populated lands on the other side of the earth — not a weird belief at all for the time, because Australia and New Zealand, for instance, were not known to exist — but he acknowledged that a spherical earth seemed to have been scientifically demonstrated.

Augustine wrote:

… although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.

Other ancient accounts

Plato, a contemporary of Aristotle and disciple of Socrates, quoted Socrates as saying: “my conviction is that the earth is a round body in the center of the heavens” (Phaedo, 380 BC).

The Roman poet Ovid (43 BC–AD 17) wrote in AD 8 that God “moulded Earth into a spacious round” (Metamorphoses, Book the First, The Creation of the World).

Roman philosopher Plotinus (204–270) wrote in his Six Enneads (Eighth Tractate, On the Intellectual Beauty, section 7): “it is possible to give a reason why the earth is set in the midst and why it is round …”.

Flat-earth myth flourished in recent times

There might have been debate about a flat earth among some of the ancients, but from our own research of over 5000 books from ancient times we have to say that Professor Russell seems to be correct when he says the flat-earth myth flourished only recently. Claims that people used to believe that the earth is flat are mostly in modern writings. Charles Darwin made the claim in his Voyage of the Beagle, Rudyard Kipling used the idea in Kim, Arthur Conan Doyle used it in Lost World, and other writers of recent centuries have also used it (such as Thomas Paine, and Swift, Bullfinch and Maugham whom we quoted earlier). All are recent writings.

Compounding their misinformation, some evolutionists claim that creationists are “flat-earthers” or are equivalent to the “flat-earth society”. An evolutionist website says there was supposedly a man in California named Charles Johnson who ran a Flat Earth Society. But even if this is genuine, the writings of his they reproduce are quite irrational. Even though the writings mention belief in a Creator, they end by saying “In 30AD JC said …”, revealing a non-Christian disrespect for Jesus (non-Christians refer to Jesus Christ as “JC”, but Christians don't). To imply that creationists are flat-earthers linked to Johnson or his ideas is mischievous at best, but more likely simply dishonest. It is easier to find a link between evolutionists and astrologers.

As we have demonstrated, a look at some of the ancient writings themselves, including the Bible, leads us to believe that informed opinion among the ancients was that the earth was not flat, but was round or spherical.

And if some of the ancients did believe in a flat earth, it certainly was not an idea that got into the Bible. The Bible, as the Word of God, teaches the correct shape of the earth.


Is the earth flat? Here's what the Bible says.

If all these cultures believed in a round earth surely so did the Hebrews not Jews.
__________________

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny you guys feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many scientist who do not support your myths.

Many, meaning a few hundred, out of tens of thousands. Evolution is not on life support.

 

[Mr Natural]

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny with you guys you feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many who do not support your myths.

Probably just as many who do not support your myths.

Runnin out of time Mr. clean.

Running out of time for what?

 

[JScott]

This kid gets it why can't you ?

YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏

Youd think God would have provided a new term, like science does, to explain a sphere.

The key is he did it for the time, just like science does today.

Science progresses, unlike the bible or religion, for that matter. But let me get this straight, what youre saying is God didnt understand geometry or 3 dimensions. Right?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Creationists will never contribute to society. The money just wont allow half baked science such as theirs to flourish.

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny you guys feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many scientist who do not support your myths.

Many, meaning a few hundred, out of tens of thousands. Evolution is not on life support.

Hide and watch.

 

[Skull Pilot]

A circle is round no ?

The apperance of the earth is round no ?

A ball is round no ?

A sphere is round no ?

Picture of both a cir cle and sphere are round no ?

22. It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell.

Isaiah is describing a round earth. His throne is above the circle of the earth.

What other word in Hebrew would describe the earth as round ?

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

The circle of heaven above the circle of earth is a very good definition of a cylinder

So actually your bible authors were still wrong.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Probably just as many who do not support your myths.

Runnin out of time Mr. clean.

Running out of time for what?

This system is passing away and so is it's desire.

 

[JScott]

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

The circle of heaven above the circle of earth is a very good definition of a cylinder

So actually your bible authors were still wrong.

Exactly.

 

[JScott]

Seriously, your bad scicence called Macro-evolution is on life support.

Funny you guys feel creationist are not real scientist that is your first mistake. There are many scientist who do not support your myths.

Many, meaning a few hundred, out of tens of thousands. Evolution is not on life support.

Hide and watch.

So if I hide and watch all the scientists of the spherical world are going to change their tune and believe your way over logic? I doubt it.

 

[pinqy]

So if the spherical earth dates back to ancient greek philosophy 6th century BC why is it recorded by the writers of the old testament before then ?

Is it? Knowing the earth is spherical (though it's really not) from other means (teachings of science including the Greek philosophers) you INTERPRET the OT as representing a spherical earth. But that's ex post facto. Is there any evidence to show that the interpretation of a spherical earth was derived from the Bible PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery? Again...it doesn't matter what you read into it NOW, how was it understood THEN?

Your question doesn't make sense in the context of the debate. It doesn't matter who interpreted that there was a round Earth by reading the Bible, the point that he's making is that a round Earth is described in the Bible, long before that thought came about. Whether the people of the time interpreted it that way is irrelevant. .

Ok, walk this through.

If you did not already know the earth was spherical, would you interpret the Bible as saying the Earth was a sphere (including the parts that refer to the four corners, seeing ALL the Earth from a mountain, the sun going under the Earth and returning)? Or could you also read it as saying the Earth was flat? If you could also read it as saying the Earth is flat then it's really irrelevant what it meant if you can only know that's what it meant AFTER you already know from other sources. And if you can interpret it as saying flat earth than you cannot rationally say that they really meant it was a sphere.

Now, youwerecreated is claiming that all the flat earth parts are merely poetic and/or metaphorical, while the round and circle parts are meant to really mean spherical. How could you make that determination without already knowing the shape of the earth?

 

[Youwerecreated]

A circle by definition is 2 dimensional. A sphere by definition is 3 dimensional. Geometry predates the bible.

The description you quote from the bible is of a round circus tent not a sphere.

This kid gets it why can't you ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6s88sBPxw4]YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏[/ame]

The circle of heaven above the circle of earth is a very good definition of a cylinder

So actually your bible authors were still wrong.

It does not matter from which angle you look at the earth from space you will see a round looking object with the perimeter being a circle.

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CIRCLE

Google

 

[Youwerecreated]

Is it? Knowing the earth is spherical (though it's really not) from other means (teachings of science including the Greek philosophers) you INTERPRET the OT as representing a spherical earth. But that's ex post facto. Is there any evidence to show that the interpretation of a spherical earth was derived from the Bible PRIOR to non-Biblical discovery? Again...it doesn't matter what you read into it NOW, how was it understood THEN?

Your question doesn't make sense in the context of the debate. It doesn't matter who interpreted that there was a round Earth by reading the Bible, the point that he's making is that a round Earth is described in the Bible, long before that thought came about. Whether the people of the time interpreted it that way is irrelevant. .

Ok, walk this through.

If you did not already know the earth was spherical, would you interpret the Bible as saying the Earth was a sphere (including the parts that refer to the four corners, seeing ALL the Earth from a mountain, the sun going under the Earth and returning)? Or could you also read it as saying the Earth was flat? If you could also read it as saying the Earth is flat then it's really irrelevant what it meant if you can only know that's what it meant AFTER you already know from other sources. And if you can interpret it as saying flat earth than you cannot rationally say that they really meant it was a sphere.

Now, youwerecreated is claiming that all the flat earth parts are merely poetic and/or metaphorical, while the round and circle parts are meant to really mean spherical. How could you make that determination without already knowing the shape of the earth?

Don't speak for me.

From anywhere in space you look at the earth it will appear flat but out on the outer edge it will appear round like a circle.

The bible does not teach the earth is flat.

This is the second coming of Jesus.

Simultaneously day and night that does not imply a flat earth ?



Luk 17:30 Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day he who shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise, he who is in the field, let him not return to the things behind.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it, and whoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Many, meaning a few hundred, out of tens of thousands. Evolution is not on life support.

Hide and watch.

So if I hide and watch all the scientists of the spherical world are going to change their tune and believe your way over logic? I doubt it.

This is what the doubters will be doing.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains.
Rev 6:16 And they said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him sitting on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
Rev 6:17 for the great day of His wrath has come, and who will be able to stand?

 

[Skull Pilot]

This kid gets it why can't you ?

YouTube - ‪Biblical "contradictions" #3: Are we 2D?‬‏

The circle of heaven above the circle of earth is a very good definition of a cylinder

So actually your bible authors were still wrong.

It does not matter from which angle you look at the earth from space you will see a round looking object with the perimeter being a circle.

O

CIRCLE

Google

Wrong the earth rotates so it is obvious to anyone who knows the definition of a circle that the earth is not a circle. And BTW you can see that rotation from space.

If the earth was a circle then it would look like a coin not a rotating sphere.

Once again it seems the men who wrote the bible are proven wrong by definition.