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[pbel]

Hamas will recognize Israel? I hope its a game-changer for peace.


Fatah and Hamas Reconcile, Agree To Recognize Israel (Which Then Walks Out of Peace Talks)


The peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority are going about as well as usual. Which is to say, not very well at all.

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Israel walked out of talks today after the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced that his Fatah party, which controls the West Bank, and Hamas, which oversees the Gaza Strip, were going to form a unity government in the next five weeks. Israel regards Hamas as a terrorist group, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu telling the BBC that Fatah can "have peace with Israel or a pact with Hamas - he can't have both"

"As long as I'm prime minister of Israel, I will never negotiate with a Palestinian government that is backed by Hamas terrorists that are calling for our liquidation," Netanyahu added.

But Hamas may not be calling for Israel's destruction anymore under the terms of its pact with Fatah. UN envoy Robert Sperry met with Abbas today, and reported:

 

[toastman]

Would be nice if they could change that part of their charter, no ?

 

[Roudy]

Hamas will recognize Israel? I hope its a game-changer for peace.


Fatah and Hamas Reconcile, Agree To Recognize Israel (Which Then Walks Out of Peace Talks)


The peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority are going about as well as usual. Which is to say, not very well at all.

Related Stories


Palestinians' Abbas warns against failure of talks Associated Press
Palestinians to consider 'all options' in response to Israel AFP
Israel suspends peace talks after Palestinian unity bid Reuters
[$$] Palestinian Agreement on Unity Government Troubles Israel, U.S. The Wall Street Journal
Netanyahu tells Abbas to choose peace partner: Hamas or Israel Reuters

Israel walked out of talks today after the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced that his Fatah party, which controls the West Bank, and Hamas, which oversees the Gaza Strip, were going to form a unity government in the next five weeks. Israel regards Hamas as a terrorist group, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu telling the BBC that Fatah can "have peace with Israel or a pact with Hamas - he can't have both"

"As long as I'm prime minister of Israel, I will never negotiate with a Palestinian government that is backed by Hamas terrorists that are calling for our liquidation," Netanyahu added.

But Hamas may not be calling for Israel's destruction anymore under the terms of its pact with Fatah. UN envoy Robert Sperry met with Abbas today, and reported:

Let's not forget their charter. "the Destruction of the Zionist entity is the only acceptable result. Peace negotations are unacceptable, unless for the purpose of gaining some type of advantage in order to move a step closer to the eventual destruction of Israel."

Sounds like they need to first renounce this article in their charter.

 

[Lipush]

Hamas will recognize Israel?

ROFLMFAO!

The Messiah will come with a package of beer riding a pink dragon before that happens.

Please.

 

[Manchester]

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

 

[Lipush]

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

You're a Jew- hater.

There is no point taking you seriously.

But just for the sake of the question- those who slaughter and wish to destroy are our enemies. accepting Israel is against Islamic values, so even in theory its not gonna happen.

 

[RoccoR]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Manchester]

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

You're a Jew- hater.

There is no point taking you seriously.

But just for the sake of the question- those who slaughter and wish to destroy are our enemies. accepting Israel is against Islamic values, so even in theory its not gonna happen.

You're argument against anyone who doesn't believe that Israel has a god given right to kill with impunity is frankly unoriginal and repetative.
Anyone opposed to the repeated and brutal military against the Palestinain people is an anti semite and that is the end of it to you as you are blinkered, uncaring and and have no wish to seek the truth.

And an enemy is someone you have decided is your enemy.

 

[Manchester]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

2006 and since Palestine has now been classified as a none UN nation state I understand that a new election will be held in the near future. Optimistic times.

If you want to find Israel slaughtering civilians I suggest you look through the last 40 years of middle east news reports and stop being obtuse.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

About a year and a half before the US installed an illegal government in the West Bank. They do not have the authority to have elections.

 

[RoccoR]

Manchester, et al,

Oh, don't be so high and mighty.

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

2006 and since Palestine has now been classified as a none UN nation state I understand that a new election will be held in the near future. Optimistic times.

If you want to find Israel slaughtering civilians I suggest you look through the last 40 years of middle east news reports and stop being obtuse.

(COMMENT)

It has been eight years since the last election. Palestine (State of) doesn't have a duly elected government; Hamas or otherwise.

As far as the last 40 years are concerned, the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), Jihadist, Fedayeen or otherwise, has been the Poster Board model of a psychopathic terrorist.

It was just over 40 years ago that the Summer Olympics in Munich, a dozen members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. And history has been annotated with HoAP Jihadist and Fedayeen action ever since. It was only a couple nights ago that rockets were fired into Israel against civilian targets.

While both sides have made mistakes, it is very clear that the violence in the last 40 years has been predominately initiated by HoAP resources.

Don't start a fight and then try to play the victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Manchester]

Manchester, et al,

Oh, don't be so high and mighty.

Manchester,

Can you explain further?


(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

2006 and since Palestine has now been classified as a none UN nation state I understand that a new election will be held in the near future. Optimistic times.

If you want to find Israel slaughtering civilians I suggest you look through the last 40 years of middle east news reports and stop being obtuse.

(COMMENT)

It has been eight years since the last election. Palestine (State of) doesn't have a duly elected government; Hamas or otherwise.

As far as the last 40 years are concerned, the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), Jihadist, Fedayeen or otherwise, has been the Poster Board model of a psychopathic terrorist.

It was just over 40 years ago that the Summer Olympics in Munich, a dozen members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. And history has been annotated with HoAP Jihadist and Fedayeen action ever since. It was only a couple nights ago that rockets were fired into Israel against civilian targets.

While both sides have made mistakes, it is very clear that the violence in the last 40 years has been predominately initiated by HoAP resources.

Don't start a fight and then try to play the victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Ahh the same justifcation of mass murder, "you started it and now you are getting your just desserts". Yes I know of the Munich attack, there was a film about it. I've not seen the film about the 21,500 Palestinians who have died since 1964, maybe that sort of film wouldn't do too well at the box office.

Still many of those people's grandparents started this shit with Israel and so they deserve everything they get!

 

[Hossfly]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

About a year and a half before the US installed an illegal government in the West Bank. They do not have the authority to have elections.

I can visualize Tinmore, when elections are held, throwing himself to the ground, kicking and screaming and holding his breath. Five years hence, Tinny will be claiming the elections were illegal. At least it won't be a "foreign appointed government", will it Yassir?

 

[Roudy]

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

Israel doesn't "slaughter civilians" dipstick, that's what your Muslim friends do.

 

[Hossfly]

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

Could you please list a brief summary of the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel since '48. With your permission, I will post it on Netanyahu's Facebook page and I know he will be glad to answer your claims. That way you will make your charges for the whole world to see and you can get an answer back from the horses mouth. You'll be famous, Hermann.

 

[montelatici]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

"Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?"

3) Children A total of 971 children have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian conflict violence, representing 18% of the total number of conflict deaths. Children are protected, in a number of legal instruments, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, against arbitrary loss of life, even in armed conflict. Of the overall number of children killed, 88% were Palestinian and 12 % were Israeli.The trend of child deaths mirrors the total rate: the number of Israeli children killed has declined markedly while that of Palestinian children remains high. Palestinian children make up 20% of the total Palestinian deaths while Israeli children represent 12% of total Israeli deaths. In 2006, 31% of the Palestinian children killed were 12 years or younger. 8/ The vast majority of children died as a result of injuries sustained either to the head, chest or to more than one place of their body.

During 2006, Israeli Security Forces fired some 14,000 artillery shells into the Gaza Strip which were responsible for killing 59 persons, almost all of them civilians.

As shown in Graph I,the total number of Israelis,both civilians and Israeli Defence Force (IDF) combatants, killed by Palestinian armed groups and individuals, is declining.


In contrast the total number of Palestinians, both civilians and combatants killed by the Israeli security forces or Israeli individuals, remains relatively high. In 2007, for example, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.

Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month. - See more at: Israeli-Palestinian fatalities since 2000 - OCHA Special Focus (31 August 2007)

 

[Roudy]

Manchester, et al,

Oh, don't be so high and mighty.

2006 and since Palestine has now been classified as a none UN nation state I understand that a new election will be held in the near future. Optimistic times.

If you want to find Israel slaughtering civilians I suggest you look through the last 40 years of middle east news reports and stop being obtuse.

(COMMENT)

It has been eight years since the last election. Palestine (State of) doesn't have a duly elected government; Hamas or otherwise.

As far as the last 40 years are concerned, the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), Jihadist, Fedayeen or otherwise, has been the Poster Board model of a psychopathic terrorist.

It was just over 40 years ago that the Summer Olympics in Munich, a dozen members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. And history has been annotated with HoAP Jihadist and Fedayeen action ever since. It was only a couple nights ago that rockets were fired into Israel against civilian targets.

While both sides have made mistakes, it is very clear that the violence in the last 40 years has been predominately initiated by HoAP resources.

Don't start a fight and then try to play the victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Ahh the same justifcation of mass murder, "you started it and now you are getting your just desserts". Yes I know of the Munich attack, there was a film about it. I've not seen the film about the 21,500 Palestinians who have died since 1964, maybe that sort of film wouldn't do too well at the box office.

Still many of those people's grandparents started this shit with Israel and so they deserve everything they get!

You won't see the film about all the Palestinian suicide attacks, bus attacks, school bombings, etc., or 150,000 Lebanese Christians that Palestinians killed, or 25,000 Palestinians that Jordan killed in 1970 either.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Considering Manchester is from England he ought to know the Queen's English.
He shouldn't band the word slaughter around like he does.
Israel goes out of its way to avoid harming non-combatants during war, whilst even to this very day Israel's enemies advocate targeting Jews, be them military or civilians.

 

[Roudy]

Manchester,

Can you explain further?

The thought must terrify zionists, where will their moral high ground be when Israel is slaughtering civilians whose democratically elected government recognizes Israel?

(QUESTION)

Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?

Democratically elected government? When was the last elections?

Most Respectfully,
R

"Israel is slaughtering civilians? Where, when?"

3) Children A total of 971 children have been killed in Israeli-Palestinian conflict violence, representing 18% of the total number of conflict deaths. Children are protected, in a number of legal instruments, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child, against arbitrary loss of life, even in armed conflict. Of the overall number of children killed, 88% were Palestinian and 12 % were Israeli.The trend of child deaths mirrors the total rate: the number of Israeli children killed has declined markedly while that of Palestinian children remains high. Palestinian children make up 20% of the total Palestinian deaths while Israeli children represent 12% of total Israeli deaths. In 2006, 31% of the Palestinian children killed were 12 years or younger. 8/ The vast majority of children died as a result of injuries sustained either to the head, chest or to more than one place of their body.

During 2006, Israeli Security Forces fired some 14,000 artillery shells into the Gaza Strip which were responsible for killing 59 persons, almost all of them civilians.

As shown in Graph I,the total number of Israelis,both civilians and Israeli Defence Force (IDF) combatants, killed by Palestinian armed groups and individuals, is declining.


In contrast the total number of Palestinians, both civilians and combatants killed by the Israeli security forces or Israeli individuals, remains relatively high. In 2007, for example, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.

Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month. - See more at: Israeli-Palestinian fatalities since 2000 - OCHA Special Focus (31 August 2007)

You are so fulla lies and propaganda it's pathetic. Palestinians shoot rockets at Israeli cities and commit terrorist attacks against Israelis, and when Israel goes in to clean things up, Israel is to blame. ha ha ha You is funny. Anti Semites don't believe Israel has a right to defend itself and it's citizens. What else is new.

Another FAIL.

 

[Roudy]

Considering Manchester is from England he ought to know the Queen's English.
He shouldn't band the word slaughter around like he does.
Israel goes out of its way to avoid harming non-combatants during war, whilst even to this very day Israel's enemies advocate targeting Jews, be them military or civilians.

Manchester is a nazi who squeals a lot.