A great advert for Socialism

[Anathema]

Why does the right wing support warfare spending that affects Individuals but not welfare spending that helps Individuals?

Real Conservatives do not support ANY welfare spending... Corporate, Personal, International, Disaster, at al...

 

[2aguy]

Norway's sovereign wealth fund is now worth $1,000,000,000,000

the Norwegians took their oil wealth and invested it in their people.

And now their pensions are fully funded.

Imagine that. A country that works for all its people and not just the few.

And more truth......

The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism | Corey Iacono

Democratic socialism purports to combine majority rule with state control of the means of production. However, the Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in action because they aren’t socialist.

In the Scandinavian countries, like all other developed nations, the means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning.

While it is true that the Scandinavian countries provide things like a generous social safety net and universal healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. What Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually social democracy, a system in which the government aims to promote the public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.

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For example, democratic socialists are generally opponents of global capitalism and free trade, but the Scandinavian countries have fully embraced these things. The Economist magazine describes the Scandinavian countries as “stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies.” Perhaps this is why Denmark, Norway, and Sweden rank among the most globalized countries in the entire world. These countries all also rank in the top 10 easiest countries to do business in.

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How do supporters of Bernie Sanders feel about the minimum wage? You will find no such government-imposed floors on labor in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark. Instead, minimum wages are decided by collective-bargaining agreements between unions and employers; they typically vary on an occupational or industrial basis. Union-imposed wages lock out the least skilled and do their own damage to an economy, but such a decentralized system is still arguably a much better way of doing things than having the central government set a one-size fits all wage policy that covers every occupation nationwide.

Free market loon trying to diss a model that works. Move along.

Socialist loon trying to diss the system that makes his socialism possible at all. Toddle away.

Dennis Prager stated, "Socialism spends the money Capitalism creates." i don't know if he came up with that or if someone else did...but it is the truth....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The Norwegian government is taking the benefits from its natural resources and giving it to its people.Nothing tops that. My government took our resources and bought bombs and gave tax cuts to the rich. And now we are all poorer for it.

No, according to your own article, they're taking benefits from OUR resources and giving it away. I'd say one thing tops that: being the people producing the prosperity that's been battened on to.

You have yet to explain to us how it is that WE, as eeeeevil as you insist we are, are the ones creating the wealth they're sharing.

You dont seem to understand how investment works. If Norway invests in any company then they own that part of it. It isnt yours it is theirs.

They also invest all over the world and not just the US.

Quite how you view something like Apple as "OURS" also puzzles me. Apple is not yours. It belongs to its shareholders which includes the Norwegian Sovereign Fund and in fact Tommy Tainant.

YOU don't seem to understand how investment works. For people to invest, the company must first exist and offer a good chance of returns. Again, noticeably, it is the United States, not Norway, which is producing those companies, returns, and opportunities. You're telling us how splendid Norway is in the same breath as admitting that they aren't splendid enough to produce their socialist giveaways without eeeeevil capitalists to do the work. That's not much of a "great advert for socialism", to point out that it requires capitalism to fund itself.

I don't doubt that figuring out the meaning and context of words frequently puzzles you. Americans talking about American-owned and -based companies, succeeding because of America's love of capitalism, and you have trouble figuring out who "we" would refer to. No wonder you're piss-stupid enough to gibber on about the wonders of socialism without even realizing you're actually pointing out how helpless and useless it is on its own.

I understand how it works very well. there is so much ignorant shit in your rant that I dont know where to start.

You seem to feel that a Norwegian socialist fund should not be investing in "American companies". What a joke. Why dont you ban all foreign investors and see what that does for your economy you fucking absolute clown.

Lemme give you a suggestion on where to start: the truth. It would make a refreshing change from what you normally spew.

I said anything about where Norway should or shouldn't invest their money? Really? THAT is what you took away from this? Jesus Christ, no wonder a two-letter word like "we" sends you into a quandary!

Okay, try to focus, Mensa Boy. Contrary to objecting to Norway investing in capitalism, I think it's an excellent idea. That's rather my point, in fact: that they MUST invest in eeeevil capitalism as the only way possible to fund their glorious socialism that allows them - and the pitiful likes of you - to crow about the glories of their socialist system which can't fund itself.

My objection is to having to listen to you prattle mindlessly about how superior socialism is to the capitalism it leeches from. It's rather like listening to Canada tout its moral superiority in not spending as much money on their military as the US "warmongers" do, when the only reason they can get away with doing it is because they live next door to us and let us do the heavy lifting of protecting them. The remora fish has no room to bitch about how horrible the shark is (look it the fuck up, moron. I'm not explaining the analogy to you.)

Bottom line, don't blither on about how your system is superior to that of the people who make your system possible. Dumbass.

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

 

[2aguy]

No, according to your own article, they're taking benefits from OUR resources and giving it away. I'd say one thing tops that: being the people producing the prosperity that's been battened on to.

You have yet to explain to us how it is that WE, as eeeeevil as you insist we are, are the ones creating the wealth they're sharing.

You dont seem to understand how investment works. If Norway invests in any company then they own that part of it. It isnt yours it is theirs.

They also invest all over the world and not just the US.

Quite how you view something like Apple as "OURS" also puzzles me. Apple is not yours. It belongs to its shareholders which includes the Norwegian Sovereign Fund and in fact Tommy Tainant.

YOU don't seem to understand how investment works. For people to invest, the company must first exist and offer a good chance of returns. Again, noticeably, it is the United States, not Norway, which is producing those companies, returns, and opportunities. You're telling us how splendid Norway is in the same breath as admitting that they aren't splendid enough to produce their socialist giveaways without eeeeevil capitalists to do the work. That's not much of a "great advert for socialism", to point out that it requires capitalism to fund itself.

I don't doubt that figuring out the meaning and context of words frequently puzzles you. Americans talking about American-owned and -based companies, succeeding because of America's love of capitalism, and you have trouble figuring out who "we" would refer to. No wonder you're piss-stupid enough to gibber on about the wonders of socialism without even realizing you're actually pointing out how helpless and useless it is on its own.

I understand how it works very well. there is so much ignorant shit in your rant that I dont know where to start.

You seem to feel that a Norwegian socialist fund should not be investing in "American companies". What a joke. Why dont you ban all foreign investors and see what that does for your economy you fucking absolute clown.

Lemme give you a suggestion on where to start: the truth. It would make a refreshing change from what you normally spew.

I said anything about where Norway should or shouldn't invest their money? Really? THAT is what you took away from this? Jesus Christ, no wonder a two-letter word like "we" sends you into a quandary!

Okay, try to focus, Mensa Boy. Contrary to objecting to Norway investing in capitalism, I think it's an excellent idea. That's rather my point, in fact: that they MUST invest in eeeevil capitalism as the only way possible to fund their glorious socialism that allows them - and the pitiful likes of you - to crow about the glories of their socialist system which can't fund itself.

My objection is to having to listen to you prattle mindlessly about how superior socialism is to the capitalism it leeches from. It's rather like listening to Canada tout its moral superiority in not spending as much money on their military as the US "warmongers" do, when the only reason they can get away with doing it is because they live next door to us and let us do the heavy lifting of protecting them. The remora fish has no room to bitch about how horrible the shark is (look it the fuck up, moron. I'm not explaining the analogy to you.)

Bottom line, don't blither on about how your system is superior to that of the people who make your system possible. Dumbass.

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

Socialism is the step before communism....the government takes over the means of production....

 

[Anathema]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

 

[danielpalos]

Why does the right wing support warfare spending that affects Individuals but not welfare spending that helps Individuals?

Real Conservatives do not support ANY welfare spending... Corporate, Personal, International, Disaster, at al...

then why do they support warfare spending?

 

[Deno]

Its shit isnt it ?

No. It's exactly as it shoild be. If anything we need to reduce the ability of the Government to take land and land rights from citizens.

The Norwegian government is taking the benefits from its natural resources and giving it to its people.Nothing tops that. My government took our resources and bought bombs and gave tax cuts to the rich. And now we are all poorer for it.

Why don't you move to Norway ?

You could just lay on your ass and

smoke pot all day....

I'm sure Norway could defend itself if needed..

 

[danielpalos]

Norway's sovereign wealth fund is now worth $1,000,000,000,000

the Norwegians took their oil wealth and invested it in their people.

And now their pensions are fully funded.

Imagine that. A country that works for all its people and not just the few.

And more truth......

The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism | Corey Iacono

Democratic socialism purports to combine majority rule with state control of the means of production. However, the Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in action because they aren’t socialist.

In the Scandinavian countries, like all other developed nations, the means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning.

While it is true that the Scandinavian countries provide things like a generous social safety net and universal healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. What Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually social democracy, a system in which the government aims to promote the public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.

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For example, democratic socialists are generally opponents of global capitalism and free trade, but the Scandinavian countries have fully embraced these things. The Economist magazine describes the Scandinavian countries as “stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies.” Perhaps this is why Denmark, Norway, and Sweden rank among the most globalized countries in the entire world. These countries all also rank in the top 10 easiest countries to do business in.

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How do supporters of Bernie Sanders feel about the minimum wage? You will find no such government-imposed floors on labor in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark. Instead, minimum wages are decided by collective-bargaining agreements between unions and employers; they typically vary on an occupational or industrial basis. Union-imposed wages lock out the least skilled and do their own damage to an economy, but such a decentralized system is still arguably a much better way of doing things than having the central government set a one-size fits all wage policy that covers every occupation nationwide.

Free market loon trying to diss a model that works. Move along.

Socialist loon trying to diss the system that makes his socialism possible at all. Toddle away.

Dennis Prager stated, "Socialism spends the money Capitalism creates." i don't know if he came up with that or if someone else did...but it is the truth....

Socialism provides the Nurture, over the Nature of Capitalism to flourish.

 

[danielpalos]

You dont seem to understand how investment works. If Norway invests in any company then they own that part of it. It isnt yours it is theirs.

They also invest all over the world and not just the US.

Quite how you view something like Apple as "OURS" also puzzles me. Apple is not yours. It belongs to its shareholders which includes the Norwegian Sovereign Fund and in fact Tommy Tainant.

YOU don't seem to understand how investment works. For people to invest, the company must first exist and offer a good chance of returns. Again, noticeably, it is the United States, not Norway, which is producing those companies, returns, and opportunities. You're telling us how splendid Norway is in the same breath as admitting that they aren't splendid enough to produce their socialist giveaways without eeeeevil capitalists to do the work. That's not much of a "great advert for socialism", to point out that it requires capitalism to fund itself.

I don't doubt that figuring out the meaning and context of words frequently puzzles you. Americans talking about American-owned and -based companies, succeeding because of America's love of capitalism, and you have trouble figuring out who "we" would refer to. No wonder you're piss-stupid enough to gibber on about the wonders of socialism without even realizing you're actually pointing out how helpless and useless it is on its own.

I understand how it works very well. there is so much ignorant shit in your rant that I dont know where to start.

You seem to feel that a Norwegian socialist fund should not be investing in "American companies". What a joke. Why dont you ban all foreign investors and see what that does for your economy you fucking absolute clown.

Lemme give you a suggestion on where to start: the truth. It would make a refreshing change from what you normally spew.

I said anything about where Norway should or shouldn't invest their money? Really? THAT is what you took away from this? Jesus Christ, no wonder a two-letter word like "we" sends you into a quandary!

Okay, try to focus, Mensa Boy. Contrary to objecting to Norway investing in capitalism, I think it's an excellent idea. That's rather my point, in fact: that they MUST invest in eeeevil capitalism as the only way possible to fund their glorious socialism that allows them - and the pitiful likes of you - to crow about the glories of their socialist system which can't fund itself.

My objection is to having to listen to you prattle mindlessly about how superior socialism is to the capitalism it leeches from. It's rather like listening to Canada tout its moral superiority in not spending as much money on their military as the US "warmongers" do, when the only reason they can get away with doing it is because they live next door to us and let us do the heavy lifting of protecting them. The remora fish has no room to bitch about how horrible the shark is (look it the fuck up, moron. I'm not explaining the analogy to you.)

Bottom line, don't blither on about how your system is superior to that of the people who make your system possible. Dumbass.

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

Socialism is the step before communism....the government takes over the means of production....

Only political-jargon designed for right wingers, during the Cold War.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, according to your own article, they're taking benefits from OUR resources and giving it away. I'd say one thing tops that: being the people producing the prosperity that's been battened on to.

You have yet to explain to us how it is that WE, as eeeeevil as you insist we are, are the ones creating the wealth they're sharing.

You dont seem to understand how investment works. If Norway invests in any company then they own that part of it. It isnt yours it is theirs.

They also invest all over the world and not just the US.

Quite how you view something like Apple as "OURS" also puzzles me. Apple is not yours. It belongs to its shareholders which includes the Norwegian Sovereign Fund and in fact Tommy Tainant.

YOU don't seem to understand how investment works. For people to invest, the company must first exist and offer a good chance of returns. Again, noticeably, it is the United States, not Norway, which is producing those companies, returns, and opportunities. You're telling us how splendid Norway is in the same breath as admitting that they aren't splendid enough to produce their socialist giveaways without eeeeevil capitalists to do the work. That's not much of a "great advert for socialism", to point out that it requires capitalism to fund itself.

I don't doubt that figuring out the meaning and context of words frequently puzzles you. Americans talking about American-owned and -based companies, succeeding because of America's love of capitalism, and you have trouble figuring out who "we" would refer to. No wonder you're piss-stupid enough to gibber on about the wonders of socialism without even realizing you're actually pointing out how helpless and useless it is on its own.

I understand how it works very well. there is so much ignorant shit in your rant that I dont know where to start.

You seem to feel that a Norwegian socialist fund should not be investing in "American companies". What a joke. Why dont you ban all foreign investors and see what that does for your economy you fucking absolute clown.

Lemme give you a suggestion on where to start: the truth. It would make a refreshing change from what you normally spew.

I said anything about where Norway should or shouldn't invest their money? Really? THAT is what you took away from this? Jesus Christ, no wonder a two-letter word like "we" sends you into a quandary!

Okay, try to focus, Mensa Boy. Contrary to objecting to Norway investing in capitalism, I think it's an excellent idea. That's rather my point, in fact: that they MUST invest in eeeevil capitalism as the only way possible to fund their glorious socialism that allows them - and the pitiful likes of you - to crow about the glories of their socialist system which can't fund itself.

My objection is to having to listen to you prattle mindlessly about how superior socialism is to the capitalism it leeches from. It's rather like listening to Canada tout its moral superiority in not spending as much money on their military as the US "warmongers" do, when the only reason they can get away with doing it is because they live next door to us and let us do the heavy lifting of protecting them. The remora fish has no room to bitch about how horrible the shark is (look it the fuck up, moron. I'm not explaining the analogy to you.)

Bottom line, don't blither on about how your system is superior to that of the people who make your system possible. Dumbass.

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

Well, that was certainly apropos of nothing whatsoever except your childish desire to throw out inane insults when you end up looking foolish. Why not just call me a meanyhead and be done with it?

I will thus assume that you recognize your lack of an argument and are too much of a poltroon to admit it. Your surrender is accepted. Run along.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

By buying into the capitalism they refuse to simply allow Norwegians to have themselves. Brilliant strategy.

 

[Anathema]

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

That's nice. I couldn't care any less about Norway. They do not have the Governmental restrictions we have via,the US Constitution.

 

[Anathema]

then why do they support warfare spending?

National Defense IS a Constitutional expenditure. It does need to be reigned in to a certain degree as much of it goes to defend places other thsn the US, but ddfense spend g I. General is at least Constitutional.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

By buying into the capitalism they refuse to simply allow Norwegians to have themselves. Brilliant strategy.

How are Norwegians restricted from engaging with capitalism ?
Do you know anything about anything ?

 

[danielpalos]

then why do they support warfare spending?

National Defense IS a Constitutional expenditure. It does need to be reigned in to a certain degree as much of it goes to defend places other thsn the US, but ddfense spend g I. General is at least Constitutional.

Yes, the general welfare is Constitutional the general warfare is not. Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[Anathema]

Yes, the general welfare is Constitutional the general warfare is not. Only the right wing, never gets it.

I've been through this with you at least half a dozen times already. You're wrong, but I'm not wasting any more time on you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

By buying into the capitalism they refuse to simply allow Norwegians to have themselves. Brilliant strategy.

How are Norwegians restricted from engaging with capitalism ?
Do you know anything about anything ?

Um, they live in a socialist society? That's like asking how people in Hog Wallow, West Virginia are restricted from eating Mexican food. BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You do not understand the difference between socialism and communism. You are an ignorant person.

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

By buying into the capitalism they refuse to simply allow Norwegians to have themselves. Brilliant strategy.

How are Norwegians restricted from engaging with capitalism ?
Do you know anything about anything ?

Um, they live in a socialist society? That's like asking how people in Hog Wallow, West Virginia are restricted from eating Mexican food. BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY.

Thanks for that.

I guess that is why there isnt a Norwegian Stock Exchange.
https://www.oslobors.no/ob_eng/

Or any companies traded on that exchange.
List of companies listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange - Wikipedia

You are as dumb as fuck.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The difference is irrelevant as neither is an appropriate socio-political philosophy on any level.

It seems quite appropriate in Norway where the countries assets are being used to provide a better life for ALL Norwegians.

By buying into the capitalism they refuse to simply allow Norwegians to have themselves. Brilliant strategy.

How are Norwegians restricted from engaging with capitalism ?
Do you know anything about anything ?

Um, they live in a socialist society? That's like asking how people in Hog Wallow, West Virginia are restricted from eating Mexican food. BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY.

Thanks for that.

I guess that is why there isnt a Norwegian Stock Exchange.
https://www.oslobors.no/ob_eng/

Or any companies traded on that exchange.
List of companies listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange - Wikipedia

You are as dumb as fuck.

At what point did capitalism become defined as "having a stock exchange"?

And didn't you start all this by singing the praises of Norway and its socialism? But now you're frantically trying to tell us that it's capitalist, which you consider a bad thing?

I guess you'd be the resident expert on "dumb as fuck". I bow to your superior knowledge and expertise in that area.