A Hamburger Now Costs $170 in Venezuela

[Fenton Lum]

I got all that pard. They subsidize these cathedrals off of taking money from taxpayers, it's still forced wealth redistribution. I don't really care how they push it around on the books. And I'm not as sure as you are that all cities do it in exactly the same way. Are you? You still have the substantial people on the top taking money from the masses and then using that wealth to further enrich the substantial people.

Yes, I'm sure ALL government owned stadiums are done this way. It would be illegal to build a $400M stadi with tax payer money and then give it to a private company.

I'm sure you get how it works, I'm not sure you understand why cities risk it. And I KNOW you don't understand that it isn't socialism.

The theory is that a $400M stadi will generate $1B in revenue in the form of rent and taxes over it's lifetime.

Or more.


It's really no different than a city investing money in the stock market or any other investment. Now most research actually shows that at best it is a break even scenario for cities, BUT that doesn't make it socialism, which is really the only point I was making.

When they tax other folk's money to do something else with, it's wealth redistribution. Like I say, we've been indoctrinated in this society to see wealth transfered up the food chain into the hands of the more affluent as being different than wealth transerrfed either laterally or down the food chain.

I got all that pard. They subsidize these cathedrals off of taking money from taxpayers, it's still forced wealth redistribution. I don't really care how they push it around on the books. And I'm not as sure as you are that all cities do it in exactly the same way. Are you? You still have the substantial people on the top taking money from the masses and then using that wealth to further enrich the substantial people.

Yes, I'm sure ALL government owned stadiums are done this way. It would be illegal to build a $400M stadi with tax payer money and then give it to a private company.

I'm sure you get how it works, I'm not sure you understand why cities risk it. And I KNOW you don't understand that it isn't socialism.

The theory is that a $400M stadi will generate $1B in revenue in the form of rent and taxes over it's lifetime.

Or more.


It's really no different than a city investing money in the stock market or any other investment. Now most research actually shows that at best it is a break even scenario for cities, BUT that doesn't make it socialism, which is really the only point I was making.

When they tax other folk's money to do something else with, it's wealth redistribution. Like I say, we've been indoctrinated in this society to see wealth transferred up the food chain into the hands of the more affluent as being different than wealth transferred either laterally or down the food chain. If it moves toward the commons or for things like food assistance, housing, healthcare, education, it’s “socialism” and welfare. If on the other hand the funding moves toward stadiums, Wall Street, subsidizing big pharma, big oil, agribusiness et.al., it’s called “an investment”.

The only difference is who is seen as getting the funding.

Spending tax money is not wealth redistribution. It's tax distribution. That's what taxes are for, to pay for things that benefit society.

That you don't agree with what that ta money is spent on doesn't make it wealth redistribution, which is a made up term that doesn't mean jack shit anyway.

Odd, that's what those who soil themselves over welfare, socialized healthcare and education have been wailing foe decades.

I can't help what others think.

There is no such thing as wealth redistribution PERIOD.

Oh, there are stupid uses of tax money, but that isn't wealth redistribution, or socialism.

Sure, take care.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Look pard, no one can "prove" anything to you because you're a "believer". This is like a religion with you. You "believe" which means you don't think or question. We've been playing both sides in the middle east and Afghanistan, for example, at least as far back as our toppling of the democratically elected govt of Iran. That's sure turned out swell. That fact that our ridiculous adventures there continually blow up in our faces would trigger reflection in a more enlightened population. Sadam. Osama. Both of those relationships came back to bite us in the arse. Our position with the Saudi’s is also very schizophrenic. We’re really quite naïve when it comes to what we as a society will swallow verbatim from a television or radio. I find it endlessly amusing that folks who claim to dislike and mistrust big govt are very often totally unable to question their own govt in any substantive manor. They just don’t like “one” of the “two” political parties.

I ask for a link and I get blabber.
No surprise.

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Look pard, no one can "prove" anything to you because you're a "believer". This is like a religion with you. You "believe" which means you don't think or question. We've been playing both sides in the middle east and Afghanistan, for example, at least as far back as our toppling of the democratically elected govt of Iran. That's sure turned out swell. That fact that our ridiculous adventures there continually blow up in our faces would trigger reflection in a more enlightened population. Sadam. Osama. Both of those relationships came back to bite us in the arse. Our position with the Saudi’s is also very schizophrenic. We’re really quite naïve when it comes to what we as a society will swallow verbatim from a television or radio. I find it endlessly amusing that folks who claim to dislike and mistrust big govt are very often totally unable to question their own govt in any substantive manor. They just don’t like “one” of the “two” political parties.

I ask for a link and I get blabber.
No surprise.

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

A link wasn't going to open your mind or trigger a real discussion outta you bub, you're just here to sling shit.

 

[Trump.Stamped]

Only in 'Merica can the cost of a hamburger become a partisan name calling contest

 

[Weatherman2020]

Look pard, no one can "prove" anything to you because you're a "believer". This is like a religion with you. You "believe" which means you don't think or question. We've been playing both sides in the middle east and Afghanistan, for example, at least as far back as our toppling of the democratically elected govt of Iran. That's sure turned out swell. That fact that our ridiculous adventures there continually blow up in our faces would trigger reflection in a more enlightened population. Sadam. Osama. Both of those relationships came back to bite us in the arse. Our position with the Saudi’s is also very schizophrenic. We’re really quite naïve when it comes to what we as a society will swallow verbatim from a television or radio. I find it endlessly amusing that folks who claim to dislike and mistrust big govt are very often totally unable to question their own govt in any substantive manor. They just don’t like “one” of the “two” political parties.

I ask for a link and I get blabber.
No surprise.

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

A link wasn't going to open your mind or trigger a real discussion outta you bub, you're just here to sling shit.

Yet another reply with no link.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Look pard, no one can "prove" anything to you because you're a "believer". This is like a religion with you. You "believe" which means you don't think or question. We've been playing both sides in the middle east and Afghanistan, for example, at least as far back as our toppling of the democratically elected govt of Iran. That's sure turned out swell. That fact that our ridiculous adventures there continually blow up in our faces would trigger reflection in a more enlightened population. Sadam. Osama. Both of those relationships came back to bite us in the arse. Our position with the Saudi’s is also very schizophrenic. We’re really quite naïve when it comes to what we as a society will swallow verbatim from a television or radio. I find it endlessly amusing that folks who claim to dislike and mistrust big govt are very often totally unable to question their own govt in any substantive manor. They just don’t like “one” of the “two” political parties.

I ask for a link and I get blabber.
No surprise.

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

A link wasn't going to open your mind or trigger a real discussion outta you bub, you're just here to sling shit.

Yet another reply with no link.

Yes, like I say, you're not getting one, man you're slow.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Only in 'Merica can the cost of a hamburger become a partisan name calling contest

Well, to be fair, it was a gotdamn socialist burger.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I ask for a link and I get blabber.
No surprise.

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

A link wasn't going to open your mind or trigger a real discussion outta you bub, you're just here to sling shit.

Yet another reply with no link.

Yes, like I say, you're not getting one, man you're slow.

How did I know you're full of crap?

 

[Fenton Lum]

It's really more than you're warranted.

We will just take your word for it with zero evidence, said no one ever.

A link wasn't going to open your mind or trigger a real discussion outta you bub, you're just here to sling shit.

Yet another reply with no link.

Yes, like I say, you're not getting one, man you're slow.

How did I know you're full of crap?

Because I disagreed with you on here.

 

[saveliberty]

How much with cheese?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

How much with cheese?

I think the cheese is an extra $50

 

[Trump.Stamped]

How much with cheese?

Government commodity cheese or regular cheese?

 

[Lewdog]

I think stadiums only have to do with this thread because it cost $170.00 for a hamburger there too.

 

[dani67]

Socialism - Where health care and college are "free," but a hamburger will cost you $170

Venezuela, where a hamburger is officially $170

denmark and sweden and norway have free health care and college too
maybe it isnt socialism fault. its capitalism fault

capitalism sanction against venezuela :
Venezuela-related Sanctions
White House steps up sanctions against Venezuelans
White House steps up sanctions against Venezuelans
Venezuela Regulations - US Department of ...
https://www.treasury.gov/resource.../sanctions/.../20150710_44.aspx
ترجمه این صفحه۱۹ تیر ۱۳۹۴ ه‍.ش. - Publication of Venezuela Regulations. 7/10/ ... Treasury Amends BurmeseSanctions Regulations, Identifies Blocked Companies Owned By ...
Issuance of a new Venezuela-related Executive Order; ...
Resource Centersanctions/.../20150309.asp...
ترجمه این صفحه۱۸ اسفند ۱۳۹۳ ه‍.ش. - The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List: ... 6.371.374 (Venezuela); Passport 026719333 (Venezuela) expires 24 Aug ... Treasury Sanctions Reported Common-Law Wife of Rafael Caro Quintero for ...
Sanctioned Entities List - US Department of State
www.state.gov › ... › Iran Sanctions
ترجمه این صفحهAccordingly, users of the list below should note that for each entity that has been sanctioned, different

 

[Wyatt earp]

Socialism - Where health care and college are "free," but a hamburger will cost you $170

Venezuela, where a hamburger is officially $170

denmark and sweden and norway have free health care and college too
maybe it isnt socialism fault. its capitalism fault

capitalism sanction against venezuela :
Venezuela-related Sanctions
White House steps up sanctions against Venezuelans
White House steps up sanctions against Venezuelans
Venezuela Regulations - US Department of ...
https://www.treasury.gov/resource.../sanctions/.../20150710_44.aspx
ترجمه این صفحه۱۹ تیر ۱۳۹۴ ه‍.ش. - Publication of Venezuela Regulations. 7/10/ ... Treasury Amends BurmeseSanctions Regulations, Identifies Blocked Companies Owned By ...
Issuance of a new Venezuela-related Executive Order; ...
Resource Centersanctions/.../20150309.asp...
ترجمه این صفحه۱۸ اسفند ۱۳۹۳ ه‍.ش. - The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List: ... 6.371.374 (Venezuela); Passport 026719333 (Venezuela) expires 24 Aug ... Treasury Sanctions Reported Common-Law Wife of Rafael Caro Quintero for ...
Sanctioned Entities List - US Department of State
www.state.gov › ... › Iran Sanctions
ترجمه این صفحهAccordingly, users of the list below should note that for each entity that has been sanctioned, different

I wonder if their will ever be a time when a liberal does his finances and it suddenly dawns on him or her ....and realizes how fucking retarded that sounds??????


.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

They might want to try tofu burgers.

 

[Lewdog]

I still don't understand why all you guys are blaming this on a socialist government...and I've seen absolutely zero evidence to back it up. The collapse of the economy in Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism, and all to do with the fact that the former President, Hugo Chavez relied too heavily on oil and did not diversify the countries economy with other items, and did not create a rainy day fund in case the price of oil collapsed.

It doesn't help that they do not like to do business with the outside world... so all this "Blame it on socialism stuff is a load of crap."

But the oil price collapse a year later served as a wake-up call for a country that chose profligacy over prudence in the hope that a rainy day would never come.

Oil accounts for 98pc of total exports and 59pc of fiscal revenues, but Moya-Ocampos says the price slide isn’t the country’s only problem.

Venezuela is also one of the most unfriendly places to do business, ranking 186th out of 189 countries in the World Bank’s Doing Business index.

Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell

I already posted earlier lists, and links, that show that most of your "happiest" countries in the world are ones where socialism is a part of their government. Of course no one commented on that.

 

[dani67]

I still don't understand why all you guys are blaming this on a socialist government...and I've seen absolutely zero evidence to back it up. The collapse of the economy in Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism, and all to do with the fact that the former President, Hugo Chavez relied too heavily on oil and did not diversify the countries economy with other items, and did not create a rainy day fund in case the price of oil collapsed.

It doesn't help that they do not like to do business with the outside world... so all this "Blame it on socialism stuff is a load of crap."

But the oil price collapse a year later served as a wake-up call for a country that chose profligacy over prudence in the hope that a rainy day would never come.

Oil accounts for 98pc of total exports and 59pc of fiscal revenues, but Moya-Ocampos says the price slide isn’t the country’s only problem.

Venezuela is also one of the most unfriendly places to do business, ranking 186th out of 189 countries in the World Bank’s Doing Business index.

Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell

I already posted earlier lists, and links, that show that most of your "happiest" countries in the world are ones where socialism is a part of their government. Of course no one commented on that.

The collapse of the economy in Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism, and all to do with the fact that the former President, Hugo Chavez relied too heavily on oil and did not diversify the countries economy with other items, and did not create a rainy day fund in case the price of oil collapsed.

yes. venezuela have oil and oil .and it was good before oil price drop .........

its for 2015
its 30-40 now

 

[Asclepias]

Socialism - Where health care and college are "free," but a hamburger will cost you $170

Venezuela, where a hamburger is officially $170

Good stuff. Too many hamburgers are bad for you.

 

[Lewdog]

I still don't understand why all you guys are blaming this on a socialist government...and I've seen absolutely zero evidence to back it up. The collapse of the economy in Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism, and all to do with the fact that the former President, Hugo Chavez relied too heavily on oil and did not diversify the countries economy with other items, and did not create a rainy day fund in case the price of oil collapsed.

It doesn't help that they do not like to do business with the outside world... so all this "Blame it on socialism stuff is a load of crap."

But the oil price collapse a year later served as a wake-up call for a country that chose profligacy over prudence in the hope that a rainy day would never come.

Oil accounts for 98pc of total exports and 59pc of fiscal revenues, but Moya-Ocampos says the price slide isn’t the country’s only problem.

Venezuela is also one of the most unfriendly places to do business, ranking 186th out of 189 countries in the World Bank’s Doing Business index.

Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell

I already posted earlier lists, and links, that show that most of your "happiest" countries in the world are ones where socialism is a part of their government. Of course no one commented on that.

The collapse of the economy in Venezuela has nothing to do with socialism, and all to do with the fact that the former President, Hugo Chavez relied too heavily on oil and did not diversify the countries economy with other items, and did not create a rainy day fund in case the price of oil collapsed.

yes. venezuela have oil and oil .and it was good before oil price drop .........

its for 2015
its 30-40 now

That's the point I was making. It isn't about socialism, but about bad governing. It doesn't matter how good a system is, if you don't run it properly, it is going to fail.