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Why are you calling Edward Cage racist and nonsensical? Just because you're a socialist and hate all conservatives and capitalists?Racist and nonsensicalI am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
So, not only has this thread proved your socialist leanings, "chairman", it's also proved you're both a lousy shot and an angry racist. Thanks!A fucking Uncle Tom sellout who would be happy to return to slavery if he had the choice. He is a shame to all people of color.
Why are you calling Edward Cage racist and nonsensical? Just because you're a socialist and hate all conservatives and capitalists?Racist and nonsensicalI am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
A fucking Uncle Tom sellout who would be happy to return to slavery if he had the choice. He is a shame to all people of color.
An Anti-Democratic Manifesto Written Behind Closed Doors by Lawyers for the 1%Being Necessary for the Security of Untaxed WealthDidn't you take an oath to defend the Constitution? Do you happen to know what it says? JW
The constitution says that "the people" as a whole are allowed to bear arms to form "well regulated militias"
Basically, there is a collective right for civilians to form an armed force to stand by in readiness to defend the country. The second amendment is therefore fulfilled by the existence of the U.S military
Every State has the right to form a State Militia or Guard. California and Texas are two of the few that have. That fulfills the 2nd amendment requirements.
Gotcha. In the Bill of Rights which the Founding Fathers wanted to send a clear message to government that they do not have unlimited powers, they decided to dedicate one amendment to grant power ... to ... government.
So why do you suppose the Founding Fathers were afraid government would take away it's own guns? Why were they worried about it if they did? You know Adams disbanded the military saying if he didn't than he'd need an army to disband the army.
Yet he then said OMG, we forgot to put in the Constitution that government can have guns? Seriously? We better put it in the Bill of Rights then. Damn it, government, you will NOT take away your right to have guns!
Follow the money. The unpatriotic Chickenhawk 18th Century plutocracy was too cheap to pay and arm a standing army.
You should actually study history and John Adams.
An Anti-Democratic Manifesto Written Behind Closed Doors by Lawyers for the 1%Being Necessary for the Security of Untaxed WealthThe constitution says that "the people" as a whole are allowed to bear arms to form "well regulated militias"
Basically, there is a collective right for civilians to form an armed force to stand by in readiness to defend the country. The second amendment is therefore fulfilled by the existence of the U.S military
Every State has the right to form a State Militia or Guard. California and Texas are two of the few that have. That fulfills the 2nd amendment requirements.
Gotcha. In the Bill of Rights which the Founding Fathers wanted to send a clear message to government that they do not have unlimited powers, they decided to dedicate one amendment to grant power ... to ... government.
So why do you suppose the Founding Fathers were afraid government would take away it's own guns? Why were they worried about it if they did? You know Adams disbanded the military saying if he didn't than he'd need an army to disband the army.
Yet he then said OMG, we forgot to put in the Constitution that government can have guns? Seriously? We better put it in the Bill of Rights then. Damn it, government, you will NOT take away your right to have guns!
Follow the money. The unpatriotic Chickenhawk 18th Century plutocracy was too cheap to pay and arm a standing army.
You should actually study history and John Adams.
You quote the Founding Fodder as if their self-serving opinions were inspired by some infallible Supreme Being. We don't need to make politics a religion serving as a totalitarian theocracy. Second, treating the Constitution as a Bible is either a superstition or heresy.
Why are you calling Edward Cage racist and nonsensical? Just because you're a socialist and hate all conservatives and capitalists?Racist and nonsensicalI am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
A fucking Uncle Tom sellout who would be happy to return to slavery if he had the choice. He is a shame to all people of color.
An Anti-Democratic Manifesto Written Behind Closed Doors by Lawyers for the 1%Being Necessary for the Security of Untaxed WealthThe constitution says that "the people" as a whole are allowed to bear arms to form "well regulated militias"
Basically, there is a collective right for civilians to form an armed force to stand by in readiness to defend the country. The second amendment is therefore fulfilled by the existence of the U.S military
Every State has the right to form a State Militia or Guard. California and Texas are two of the few that have. That fulfills the 2nd amendment requirements.
Gotcha. In the Bill of Rights which the Founding Fathers wanted to send a clear message to government that they do not have unlimited powers, they decided to dedicate one amendment to grant power ... to ... government.
So why do you suppose the Founding Fathers were afraid government would take away it's own guns? Why were they worried about it if they did? You know Adams disbanded the military saying if he didn't than he'd need an army to disband the army.
Yet he then said OMG, we forgot to put in the Constitution that government can have guns? Seriously? We better put it in the Bill of Rights then. Damn it, government, you will NOT take away your right to have guns!
Follow the money. The unpatriotic Chickenhawk 18th Century plutocracy was too cheap to pay and arm a standing army.
You should actually study history and John Adams.
You quote the Founding Fodder as if their self-serving opinions were inspired by some infallible Supreme Being. We don't need to make politics a religion serving as a totalitarian theocracy. Second, treating the Constitution as a Bible is either a superstition or heresy.
How many rounds do you REALLY need to go hunting?
How many do you REALLY need to defend yourself?
If you need more than 10 shots, you're a piss poor marksman and need more practice at the range.
Didn't you take an oath to defend the Constitution? Do you happen to know what it says? JW
How many rounds do you REALLY need to go hunting?
How many do you REALLY need to defend yourself?
If you need more than 10 shots, you're a piss poor marksman and need more practice at the range.
Who the hell cares, and who the hell are you to tell someone what they can or can't have? Why do you need a motorcycle? There are many far superior forms of transportation.
See how that works?
How many rounds do you REALLY need to go hunting?
How many do you REALLY need to defend yourself?
If you need more than 10 shots, you're a piss poor marksman and need more practice at the range.
Who the hell cares, and who the hell are you to tell someone what they can or can't have? Why do you need a motorcycle? There are many far superior forms of transportation.
See how that works?
Non sequitur...............nice try.
Some people use motorcycles because they like the gas savings, as well as the fact that they can use the HOV lane. Dunno about you, but a motorcycle beats a car driven by one person in a big city with HOV lanes. I know, I learned that while stationed in Norfolk VA. There are MANY valid reasons to own and ride a motorcycle.
You still haven't said how many rounds you find necessary for hunting and defense.
n armed population is made of citizens. Unarmed populations are subjects.
How many rounds do you REALLY need to go hunting?
How many do you REALLY need to defend yourself?
If you need more than 10 shots, you're a piss poor marksman and need more practice at the range.
Who the hell cares, and who the hell are you to tell someone what they can or can't have? Why do you need a motorcycle? There are many far superior forms of transportation.
See how that works?
Non sequitur...............nice try.
Some people use motorcycles because they like the gas savings, as well as the fact that they can use the HOV lane. Dunno about you, but a motorcycle beats a car driven by one person in a big city with HOV lanes. I know, I learned that while stationed in Norfolk VA. There are MANY valid reasons to own and ride a motorcycle.
You still haven't said how many rounds you find necessary for hunting and defense.
Wrong again Tojo. Anyone can claim that anything is bad for you. Get enough morons saying it and we can take your motorcycles away from you. Get a billionaire on his high horse and he can tell you that coke is bad for you. Basically, anytime you give your power to somebody else you get what you deserve.
So your saying the 1st amendment don't cover modern technology's like television, radio, the internet?
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[]No need to. No right is absolute, like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. No child has the right to carry a firearm onto the playground. Government has a role to play but denying citizens the right to bear arms violates the intent. Otherwise why even have the second?
I can care less about your belief. i own them, and I enjoy them. I can see no reason for people to own fast cars either. However, I own one of them too. The facts are the COTUS of the USA says that to keep people like YOU in check, the Founders made sure we could be every bit as well armed as you...to keep YOU under control. See how that works?
I can care less about your belief. i own them, and I enjoy them. I can see no reason for people to own fast cars either. However, I own one of them too. The facts are the COTUS of the USA says that to keep people like YOU in check, the Founders made sure we could be every bit as well armed as you...to keep YOU under control. See how that works?
Yeah, those car designers. That must have been a real interesting meeting they had at design stage. "So guys, how can we make these cars faster so they can kill more people."
What do you do for an encore, compare John Wayne Gacy to Kermit the Frog?
I can care less about your belief. i own them, and I enjoy them. I can see no reason for people to own fast cars either. However, I own one of them too. The facts are the COTUS of the USA says that to keep people like YOU in check, the Founders made sure we could be every bit as well armed as you...to keep YOU under control. See how that works?
Yeah, those car designers. That must have been a real interesting meeting they had at design stage. "So guys, how can we make these cars faster so they can kill more people."
What do you do for an encore, compare John Wayne Gacy to Kermit the Frog?
Yep, and the interesting thing is, when they make the cars faster, they incorporate more safety gear. Cars today are much faster than they were in the 50's and 60's, and they also have a lot more safety features built in.
Yep, I agree Dr. Grump, Westwall is an idiot.
I can care less about your belief. i own them, and I enjoy them. I can see no reason for people to own fast cars either. However, I own one of them too. The facts are the COTUS of the USA says that to keep people like YOU in check, the Founders made sure we could be every bit as well armed as you...to keep YOU under control. See how that works?
Yeah, those car designers. That must have been a real interesting meeting they had at design stage. "So guys, how can we make these cars faster so they can kill more people."
What do you do for an encore, compare John Wayne Gacy to Kermit the Frog?
