A multistory residential building partially collapsed in the South Florida

[AMart]

Just look at these heroes risking their lives in an attempt to save complete strangers who may be trapped.

They are getting ready to attempt to drill through the roof of the parking garage, while standing in water...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/06/24/7337056344606788873/640x360_MP4_7337056344606788873.mp4

Reportedly, building was known to be sinking...

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981 when it was built and has been 'sinking into the ground since the NINETIES'​

• Champlain Towers South in Surfside, Florida, was built in 1981 and hasn't been recertified since then
• Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Florida International University, did a study on the building last year
• He found that it had been sinking 2mm a year since the 1990s into the ground
• Miami Dade Building Code states buildings only have to be certified every 40 years
• The Champlain Towers South Association hired an engineer to review structural and electrical updates ahead of its first certification
• It was also in the process of re-roofing when the building partially collapsed on Thursday
• Officials have no idea what caused the building to collapse yet
• There are now fears the rest of it will collapse soon, further reducing the chances of finding any survivors
• One person is dead, with 99 others linked to the building still missing
• Bruce Masia, a local building manager, said the roof renovation will be looked at
• He asked whether it put any additional weight on the building that it couldn't withstand

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981

Champlain Towers South was completed in 1981 but hasn't been updated significantly since then. There are 136 condos inside and most belong to first-time homeowners.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In this picture I previously posted, it shows the ground level has sunk about five or six feet. All of those white columns used to be underground in the parking garage below, and they now protrude through the ground level deck. The rebar has literally been ripped out of the ground level deck; you can see it hanging from column 72 on the left.

Sink holes crossed my mind

Same here. Unstable ground, with the building already noted to have been slowly sinking.
Florida is known for this problem with porous limestone and underground water issues.

Prayers to those still trapped in the rubble and their families....

Seen a couple of encouraging stories....like how a guy walking his dog nearby heard a cry for help and got the attention of rescuers who saved the person.....hopefully there are more of these stories...

As for causes......my guess would be that it's a sediment problem....since there are claims it has been sinking since the 90's.....I heard the land the condos were built on was reclaimed marsh.....

“When we measure subsidence or when we see movement of the buildings, it’s worth checking why it happens,” Wdowinski said. “We cannot say what is the reason for that from the satellite images but we can say there was movement here.”

FIU professor: Collapsed Surfside building showed signs of subsidence in ‘90s

The area where a building partially collapsed in Surfside, Fla. showed signs of land subsidence in the 1990s, according to space-based radar data analyzed by an FIU professor.

news.fiu.edu

I guess the reason I see some folks bringing up libertarianism is because libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes....they believe the "free market" will ultimately do the right thing......and if they don't -- and you die, your relatives can sue.....but since lots of libertarians don't believe in a monopoly of force to enforce building codes; I don't see how they think any civil court decisions would be enforced either...

That is a total fucking lie. Everyone believes in strong building codes.

oh yea??

Well who enforces these building codes??

Surely not the government...

Why Libertarians Reject Government Building Codes and Licensing

Think government licensing stops buildings from falling down, restaurants poisoning diners and people driving on the wrong side of the road? It doesn’t. You do.

discover.hubpages.com

From the article.
In a libertarian society everyone connected with construction, including people who buy, sell and live in buildings, will enforce the standards in their own self-interests.

Contractors who knowingly build shoddy structures that fall down and kill people will be sued into bankruptcy and, since there will be no shield law treating a corporation as a "fictional person" for contractors to hide behind they'll face the prospect of personal bankruptcy and prison time.

Self-interest.

Structural and electrical and plumbing and every other kind of inspector will be held accountable since they will be required by the building and insurance and lending industries to certify that standards have been met.

Self-interest.

Libertarians don't want shoddy construction and the erosion of building codes.

Who enforces building codes??

It's a simple question......

The libertarian argument as I said earlier is libertarians believe "the free market" will fix the problem....even tho there is no such thing as "the free market"....and yall also believe that no builders would cut corners or do shoddy work because of "self interests" -- reality says otherwise

so.....in your fantasy world of no monopolization of force.....when someone sues for shoddy construction.....who enforces that court decision?


I'll wait

You just moved the goalposts. You said "libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes. Now you say who will enforce building codes.

Libertarians don't believe in the monolopy of force you moron...

So without the monopoly of force..how do you enforce building codes? You can't

You think people are just supposed to sue after their family dies in a fucked up building collapse...

So....when that family sues....who will enforce the settlement?

There is a reason you can't answer that question.....

it is the same reason there are over 90281727 different kinds of liberatians...because a new strain of libertarian is invented everytime their fantasy ideology gets challenged by reality...

I am not a libertarian when it comes to building codes issues. Go find a libertarian message forum to argue with people. You said libertarians don't believe in building codes. They do believe in codes and those codes should from within the industry and would likely surpass government codes. You can probably find a national association of barber shops who thinks they can write professional codes for their industry better than government.

You spent the last 6 or 7 comments defending "Libertarianism" and speaking for "libertarians" only to say "I'm not a libertarian" when I ask you a simple question??

That is because you lied about them now wanting building codes, then you moved the goal posts to enforcement. I caught you in the lie then you went jive turkey.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Just look at these heroes risking their lives in an attempt to save complete strangers who may be trapped.

They are getting ready to attempt to drill through the roof of the parking garage, while standing in water...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/06/24/7337056344606788873/640x360_MP4_7337056344606788873.mp4

Reportedly, building was known to be sinking...

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981 when it was built and has been 'sinking into the ground since the NINETIES'​

• Champlain Towers South in Surfside, Florida, was built in 1981 and hasn't been recertified since then
• Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Florida International University, did a study on the building last year
• He found that it had been sinking 2mm a year since the 1990s into the ground
• Miami Dade Building Code states buildings only have to be certified every 40 years
• The Champlain Towers South Association hired an engineer to review structural and electrical updates ahead of its first certification
• It was also in the process of re-roofing when the building partially collapsed on Thursday
• Officials have no idea what caused the building to collapse yet
• There are now fears the rest of it will collapse soon, further reducing the chances of finding any survivors
• One person is dead, with 99 others linked to the building still missing
• Bruce Masia, a local building manager, said the roof renovation will be looked at
• He asked whether it put any additional weight on the building that it couldn't withstand

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981

Champlain Towers South was completed in 1981 but hasn't been updated significantly since then. There are 136 condos inside and most belong to first-time homeowners.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In this picture I previously posted, it shows the ground level has sunk about five or six feet. All of those white columns used to be underground in the parking garage below, and they now protrude through the ground level deck. The rebar has literally been ripped out of the ground level deck; you can see it hanging from column 72 on the left.

Sink holes crossed my mind

Same here. Unstable ground, with the building already noted to have been slowly sinking.
Florida is known for this problem with porous limestone and underground water issues.

Prayers to those still trapped in the rubble and their families....

Seen a couple of encouraging stories....like how a guy walking his dog nearby heard a cry for help and got the attention of rescuers who saved the person.....hopefully there are more of these stories...

As for causes......my guess would be that it's a sediment problem....since there are claims it has been sinking since the 90's.....I heard the land the condos were built on was reclaimed marsh.....

“When we measure subsidence or when we see movement of the buildings, it’s worth checking why it happens,” Wdowinski said. “We cannot say what is the reason for that from the satellite images but we can say there was movement here.”

FIU professor: Collapsed Surfside building showed signs of subsidence in ‘90s

The area where a building partially collapsed in Surfside, Fla. showed signs of land subsidence in the 1990s, according to space-based radar data analyzed by an FIU professor.

news.fiu.edu

I guess the reason I see some folks bringing up libertarianism is because libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes....they believe the "free market" will ultimately do the right thing......and if they don't -- and you die, your relatives can sue.....but since lots of libertarians don't believe in a monopoly of force to enforce building codes; I don't see how they think any civil court decisions would be enforced either...

That is a total fucking lie. Everyone believes in strong building codes.

oh yea??

Well who enforces these building codes??

Surely not the government...

Why Libertarians Reject Government Building Codes and Licensing

Think government licensing stops buildings from falling down, restaurants poisoning diners and people driving on the wrong side of the road? It doesn’t. You do.

discover.hubpages.com

From the article.
In a libertarian society everyone connected with construction, including people who buy, sell and live in buildings, will enforce the standards in their own self-interests.

Contractors who knowingly build shoddy structures that fall down and kill people will be sued into bankruptcy and, since there will be no shield law treating a corporation as a "fictional person" for contractors to hide behind they'll face the prospect of personal bankruptcy and prison time.

Self-interest.

Structural and electrical and plumbing and every other kind of inspector will be held accountable since they will be required by the building and insurance and lending industries to certify that standards have been met.

Self-interest.

Libertarians don't want shoddy construction and the erosion of building codes.

Who enforces building codes??

It's a simple question......

The libertarian argument as I said earlier is libertarians believe "the free market" will fix the problem....even tho there is no such thing as "the free market"....and yall also believe that no builders would cut corners or do shoddy work because of "self interests" -- reality says otherwise

so.....in your fantasy world of no monopolization of force.....when someone sues for shoddy construction.....who enforces that court decision?


I'll wait

You just moved the goalposts. You said "libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes. Now you say who will enforce building codes.

Libertarians don't believe in the monolopy of force you moron...

So without the monopoly of force..how do you enforce building codes? You can't

You think people are just supposed to sue after their family dies in a fucked up building collapse...

So....when that family sues....who will enforce the settlement?

There is a reason you can't answer that question.....

it is the same reason there are over 90281727 different kinds of liberatians...because a new strain of libertarian is invented everytime their fantasy ideology gets challenged by reality...

I am not a libertarian when it comes to building codes issues. Go find a libertarian message forum to argue with people. You said libertarians don't believe in building codes. They do believe in codes and those codes should from within the industry and would likely surpass government codes. You can probably find a national association of barber shops who thinks they can write professional codes for their industry better than government.

You spent the last 6 or 7 comments defending "Libertarianism" and speaking for "libertarians" only to say "I'm not a libertarian" when I ask you a simple question??

That is because you lied about them now wanting building codes, then you moved the goal posts to enforcement. I caught you in the lie then you went jive turkey.

They are against "government enforced" building codes...which basically means they are against building codes...because without the monopolization of force -- you or anyone else who claims to be "libertarian" still can't tell me how building codes would be enforced....other than "they will do the right thing because of self interests"


When folks talk about this building collapse and how "this type of stuff only happens in 3rd world countries" -- they aren't saying that because of libertarianism being practiced in this country.....

 

[otto105]

Just look at these heroes risking their lives in an attempt to save complete strangers who may be trapped.

They are getting ready to attempt to drill through the roof of the parking garage, while standing in water...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/06/24/7337056344606788873/640x360_MP4_7337056344606788873.mp4

Reportedly, building was known to be sinking...

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981 when it was built and has been 'sinking into the ground since the NINETIES'​

• Champlain Towers South in Surfside, Florida, was built in 1981 and hasn't been recertified since then
• Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Florida International University, did a study on the building last year
• He found that it had been sinking 2mm a year since the 1990s into the ground
• Miami Dade Building Code states buildings only have to be certified every 40 years
• The Champlain Towers South Association hired an engineer to review structural and electrical updates ahead of its first certification
• It was also in the process of re-roofing when the building partially collapsed on Thursday
• Officials have no idea what caused the building to collapse yet
• There are now fears the rest of it will collapse soon, further reducing the chances of finding any survivors
• One person is dead, with 99 others linked to the building still missing
• Bruce Masia, a local building manager, said the roof renovation will be looked at
• He asked whether it put any additional weight on the building that it couldn't withstand

Collapsed Miami beach condo tower hadn't been certified since 1981

Champlain Towers South was completed in 1981 but hasn't been updated significantly since then. There are 136 condos inside and most belong to first-time homeowners.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In this picture I previously posted, it shows the ground level has sunk about five or six feet. All of those white columns used to be underground in the parking garage below, and they now protrude through the ground level deck. The rebar has literally been ripped out of the ground level deck; you can see it hanging from column 72 on the left.

Sink holes crossed my mind

Same here. Unstable ground, with the building already noted to have been slowly sinking.
Florida is known for this problem with porous limestone and underground water issues.

Prayers to those still trapped in the rubble and their families....

Seen a couple of encouraging stories....like how a guy walking his dog nearby heard a cry for help and got the attention of rescuers who saved the person.....hopefully there are more of these stories...

As for causes......my guess would be that it's a sediment problem....since there are claims it has been sinking since the 90's.....I heard the land the condos were built on was reclaimed marsh.....

“When we measure subsidence or when we see movement of the buildings, it’s worth checking why it happens,” Wdowinski said. “We cannot say what is the reason for that from the satellite images but we can say there was movement here.”

FIU professor: Collapsed Surfside building showed signs of subsidence in ‘90s

The area where a building partially collapsed in Surfside, Fla. showed signs of land subsidence in the 1990s, according to space-based radar data analyzed by an FIU professor.

news.fiu.edu

I guess the reason I see some folks bringing up libertarianism is because libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes....they believe the "free market" will ultimately do the right thing......and if they don't -- and you die, your relatives can sue.....but since lots of libertarians don't believe in a monopoly of force to enforce building codes; I don't see how they think any civil court decisions would be enforced either...

That is a total fucking lie. Everyone believes in strong building codes.

oh yea??

Well who enforces these building codes??

Surely not the government...

Why Libertarians Reject Government Building Codes and Licensing

Think government licensing stops buildings from falling down, restaurants poisoning diners and people driving on the wrong side of the road? It doesn’t. You do.

discover.hubpages.com

From the article.
In a libertarian society everyone connected with construction, including people who buy, sell and live in buildings, will enforce the standards in their own self-interests.

Contractors who knowingly build shoddy structures that fall down and kill people will be sued into bankruptcy and, since there will be no shield law treating a corporation as a "fictional person" for contractors to hide behind they'll face the prospect of personal bankruptcy and prison time.

Self-interest.

Structural and electrical and plumbing and every other kind of inspector will be held accountable since they will be required by the building and insurance and lending industries to certify that standards have been met.

Self-interest.

Libertarians don't want shoddy construction and the erosion of building codes.

Who enforces building codes??

It's a simple question......

The libertarian argument as I said earlier is libertarians believe "the free market" will fix the problem....even tho there is no such thing as "the free market"....and yall also believe that no builders would cut corners or do shoddy work because of "self interests" -- reality says otherwise

so.....in your fantasy world of no monopolization of force.....when someone sues for shoddy construction.....who enforces that court decision?


I'll wait

You just moved the goalposts. You said "libertarians don't believe in federal or state building codes. Now you say who will enforce building codes.

Libertarians don't believe in the monolopy of force you moron...

So without the monopoly of force..how do you enforce building codes? You can't

You think people are just supposed to sue after their family dies in a fucked up building collapse...

So....when that family sues....who will enforce the settlement?

There is a reason you can't answer that question.....

it is the same reason there are over 90281727 different kinds of liberatians...because a new strain of libertarian is invented everytime their fantasy ideology gets challenged by reality...

I am not a libertarian when it comes to building codes issues. Go find a libertarian message forum to argue with people. You said libertarians don't believe in building codes. They do believe in codes and those codes should from within the industry and would likely surpass government codes. You can probably find a national association of barber shops who thinks they can write professional codes for their industry better than government.

Bullshit, name me one industry association that has standards higher than building codes. Also, under libertarian standards the owner of the condo building would simply require any tenants to assume his liability by having them sign such document to live there. So if the building collapses, they should have known better than to rent from him.

LOL every time I will own you.

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They created LEED, leadership in Energy and Environmental Design it goes way beyond standard government building codes.

Dude, the US Green Building Council isn't an industry association.

The U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) is a Washington, DC-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization committed to a prosperous and sustainable future for our nation through cost-efficient and energy-saving green buildings.

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You "own" nothing.

 

[B. Kidd]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

 

[Donald H]

Jus imagine the condition of the concrete foundations!
There will have been cracks wide enough to throw a cat through!

How was the property owner able to keep that hidden from public view?
Some resident (s) must have informed inspection authorities and then been ignnored.

This smells a lot like chickens coming home as the result of government bending to the priorities of property landlords.

 

[otto105]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

The FBI does building code violations now?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't it be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading too much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

 

[otto105]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading to much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

Here comes the white privilege guy....touting his alt-whitey bullshit.

 

[B. Kidd]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

Hillary paid for a new fake dossier.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't it be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading too much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

Why would you want a corrupt organization like the FBI involved in this??

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

Hillary paid for a new fake dossier.

So you are just spouting dumb shit...got it

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't it be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading too much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

Why would you want a corrupt organization like the FBI involved in this??

We don't know what happened yet? Their using their expertise to see what happened.

98% of the FBI are grand. The 2% of Obama dick lickers are the problem

 

[B. Kidd]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

Hillary paid for a new fake dossier.

So you are just spouting dumb shit...got it

Did the giggling dog give it away, you dumb shit?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

Hillary paid for a new fake dossier.

So you are just spouting dumb shit...got it

Did the giggling dog give it away, you dumb shit?

Didn't see Muttley until just now......


By the way, Muttley is the official sponsor of all things sarcasm

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't it be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading too much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

Why would you want a corrupt organization like the FBI involved in this??

We don't know what happened yet? Their using their expertise to see what happened.

98% of the FBI are grand. The 2% of Obama dick lickers are the problem

How did you arrive at the percentage without pulling it out of your ass??

and what was the % of FBI before that scary black man came along?

 

[Donald H]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

The collapse of the buildings can't be pinned directly onto Trump.
But the Republican/right's agenda of ignoring safety concernes and building codes is directly in sync with Trump's agenda.

Eg: Save money by eliminating regulations that would have protected those who lived in those buildings.

And what now for the future of all the other buildings in the vicinity that are showing foundation damage and sinking. Concrete foundations don't have cracks open up overnight.

This really could be another example of America's infrastructure chickens coming home. We'll have watch and listen closely for the cover up effort.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Who is trying to pin this on Trump and how?

The collapse of the buildings can't be pinned directly onto Trump.
But the Republican/right's agenda of ignoring safety concernes and building codes is directly in sync with Trump's agenda.

Eg: Save money by eliminating regulations that would have protected those who lived in those buildings.

And what now for the future of all the other buildings in the vicinity that are showing foundation damage and sinking. Concrete foundations don't have cracks open up overnight.

This really could be another example of America's infrastructure chickens coming home. We'll have watch and listen closely for the cover up effort.

Maybe....still too early to tell....

Doubt there isn't one singular answer for this......

But hopefully this spawns better solutions

 

[otto105]

I'm hearing that the FBI has been summoned to the collapsed condominium in Miami.


The FBI ....wow just wow

Anybody can confirm this?

The FBI is there. The idiots are already trying to pin the collapse on Trump.

Wouldn't it be prudent to have the FBI there no matter what?

Think some are reading too much in it. Broward Coward county is one big sink hole

Why would you want a corrupt organization like the FBI involved in this??

We don't know what happened yet? Their using their expertise to see what happened.

98% of the FBI are grand. The 2% of Obama dick lickers are the problem

You, you lika the sauce do you.

 

[Ray9]

In my next life like I am going to be a building code inspector. You just wink and accept the money to fill your wallet. Then if the building falls down you just disappear.