A real Liberal would always question government.

[Quantum Windbag]

Socialists/Progressives love the Nanny State/Police State. Classical Liberals do not. Today's Democrats cannot be called Liberals. It is time to update and better understand these labels.

Beck redefined all of the political labels on his show and damaged the field of political science in America for decades. Even people who claim not to watch his show use his screwed up labeling system as if it is the way it was always done.

Really? How did he screw it up? What did he get wrong? Did he invent a time machine at some point to go back and history to change previous definitions of those terms?

 

[occupied]

No, socialists did that, by first hiding behind the term "progressive", then stealing the moniker "liberal" when people figured out that the progressives were socialists in a different wrapper.

It's all part and parcel to the complete dishonesty of socialists...Both Orwell and Rand wrote quite extensively about this.

That asshole convinced thousands that authoritarianism is entirely a phenomena of the left. If I was conspiracy minded I would think he was setting the true believers up but he is just probably clueless.

Orwell was a socialist, like you, fool.

When he and an an anarchist like Rand can come to the same conclusion, you know that they're on to something.

What the hell does that have to do with the under-educated right having a screwed up view of the political spectrum?

 

[Oddball]

That asshole convinced thousands that authoritarianism is entirely a phenomena of the left. If I was conspiracy minded I would think he was setting the true believers up but he is just probably clueless.

Orwell was a socialist, like you, fool.

When he and an an anarchist like Rand can come to the same conclusion, you know that they're on to something.

What the hell does that have to do with the under-educated right having a screwed up view of the political spectrum?

The political spectrum was screwed up by the left and their duplicitous semantics...Authoritarians always have to debase the language as a matter of course...That was the point of both Orwell and Rand.

 

[occupied]

Orwell was a socialist, like you, fool.

When he and an an anarchist like Rand can come to the same conclusion, you know that they're on to something.

What the hell does that have to do with the under-educated right having a screwed up view of the political spectrum?

The political spectrum was screwed up by the left and their duplicitous semantics...Authoritarians always have to debase the language as a matter of course...That was the point of both Orwell and Rand.

If you think that there is no such thing as right wing authoritarianism then you have bought into one of the most dangerous lies any member of our media ever told.

 

[Oddball]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't....Speaking of buying into lies.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

 

[occupied]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

 

[Intense]

So why the fuck do progressives who swear up and down they're liberals trust this motherfucker Obama and this pathetic Senate??

Besides, a real Liberal would be opposed to federal government intervention in the majority of situations..

A real Liberal would consult the Constitution rather than their emotions or opinions... A real Liberal would know that their opinions do NOT trump the Constitution of the United States.

Republicans are way more Liberal than progressives.........

Honestly, republicans are now on the left and progressives are on the right....

Classic Liberals will always question Government. Statist Progressives threw them under the bus along with Individual Rights and Individual Liberty.

 

[Oddball]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

Beck is right.

Fascism; the far, far,far, far right (Hitler Mussolini): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Communism; the far, far, far left (Stalin, Mao): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Yet, rubes like you have become convinced that you have a choice.

 

[Intense]

Totalitarianism under any brand name sucks. Get over it. Stand up for your Rights.

 

[Intense]

Not the Hitler was not a Socialist crap again? Please.

 

[Oddball]

Not the Hitler was not a Socialist crap again? Please.

The only ones who deny that are the committed socialists, so it's all good.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

Socialists and communists aren't the left? Did you tell Barney he has been voting the wrong way all these years? As for fascists, I am pretty sure they can be from either side, even it you don't like it.

 

[occupied]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

Beck is right.

Fascism; the far, far,far, far right (Hitler Mussolini): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Communism; the far, far, far left (Stalin, Mao): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Yet, rubes like you have become convinced that you have a choice.

You are still using a one dimensional L-R line as an example, politics are not that simple. Check out the political compass

The Political Compass

or this similar libertarian scale

Advocates for Self Government

for more info.

 

[Oddball]

Oh, brother.

 

[occupied]

What's the matter? Do you have a problem with my informed viewpoint?

 

[The T]

You may feel free to refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Authoritarians are authoritarians...The phony left-right "choice" served up to dullards like you merely serves the brand of tyrants you favor, at the expense of those whom you don't.

And you have the gall to point at others as being under-educated.

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

Doesn't matter where Glenn put them. They don't stand for liberty, the individual or the Constitution.

Get it yet?

 

[Skull Pilot]

The point I have been trying to make is that Beck folded fascists, socialists and communists into the left and put libertarianism all alone on the right, it's utter crap. If this is not your stunted one dimensional L-R belief system that many on this board do subscribe to then why the hell are you jumping on my case?

Beck is right.

Fascism; the far, far,far, far right (Hitler Mussolini): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Communism; the far, far, far left (Stalin, Mao): Central economic control, military dictatorship, societal stratification dictated by party affiliation, a crushing and brutal police state, "re-education" and slave labor camps for political enemies and other "undesirables".

Yet, rubes like you have become convinced that you have a choice.

You are still using a one dimensional L-R line as an example, politics are not that simple. Check out the political compass

The Political Compass

or this similar libertarian scale

Advocates for Self Government

for more info.

Yeah all those violent libertarians out there forcing people to be responsible for themselves at gun point.

As a group libertarians are the most peaceful. It's the left and right where violence lives. And it seems to me the more leftist a protest the more likely there is to be violence and property destruction.

 

[editec]

So why the fuck do progressives who swear up and down they're liberals trust this motherfucker Obama and this pathetic Senate??

Besides, a real Liberal would be opposed to federal government intervention in the majority of situations..

A real Liberal would consult the Constitution rather than their emotions or opinions... A real Liberal would know that their opinions do NOT trump the Constitution of the United States.

Republicans are way more Liberal than progressives.........

Honestly, republicans are now on the left and progressives are on the right....

Geeze I hate to rain on your parade with facts but....

Do you KNOW what the Congressional voting record was for the NATIONAL DEFENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT?

You don't, do you?

You should EDUCATE yourself, partisan.

Because partisan, you don't know jackshit, and that's making you look like a damned fool.

 

[Oddball]

What's the matter? Do you have a problem with my informed viewpoint?

No, I have a problem with you using two completely subjective and, especially in the case of the ASG "test", staggeringly simple-minded matrices....Both of which anyone who has been around these types of fora, for any amount of time, has seen on numerous occasions.

Far from informed, your viewpoint is about as arrested and cliché as they come.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What's the matter? Do you have a problem with my informed viewpoint?

No, I have a problem with you using two completely subjective and, especially in the case of the ASG "test", staggeringly simple-minded matrices....Both of which anyone who has been around these types of fora, for any amount of time, has seen on numerous occasions.

Far from informed, your viewpoint is about as arrested and cliché as they come.

The political compass one is the one I find most egregious. It assumes that the fact that I support something means I want the government to mandate it.