A socialist hell on earth

[bripat9643]

It is a Friday night in Venezuela. Five nights ago, the country imploded under the weight of its socialist policies. Riots, and the subsequent violence reigned and fires lit up the pre-dawn sky. The government backed paramilitary, National Police and National Guard set upon various cities across the country, snuffing out dissent, shooting at and in some cases murdering student protesters, carrying out brutal beatings, shooting tear gas into buildings and silencing other protests against its strict censorship of the media and speech wherever they saw it.

This is prime evidence that wherever socialism goes, it leaves death, destruction and chaos in its wake. What makes this even worse is that the world isn't paying any attention. With Syria and the conflict between Russia and The Ukraine dominating the headlines, the violence in Venezuela is being ignored.

(Yes, I'm looking at you, Bernie Sanders supporters)

Tonight, Venezuela is seeing a spasm of violence that’s unlike anything the country has experienced since 1989. Information is fragmented, since an almost complete media black-out is in place, but you don’t need the media to hear your neighbor’s screams.

Caracas, Valencia, Merida and San Cristobal in particular have become virtual war zones: National Guard units and National Police have been shooting tear gas canisters and buckshot sometimes directly at protesters, sometimes into residential buildings and, raiding any place they think student protesters may be hiding. Alongside them, the government backed colectivos (basically paramilitary gangs on motorbikes, a tropical basij) shoot at people with live ammo.

But of course, this is no war zone: in a war zone you have two sides shooting at each other. Tonight one side is doing all the shooting, the other side is [corrected for grammar] being shot at.

19F - The Night Venezuela Finally Imploded | Caracas Chronicles

It's amazing that you cannot see the difference in Bernie's Democratic Socialism, which is similar to countries like Norway and Sweden, versus the near dictatorships of Venezuela and similar countries. SMH

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

So you think they have genuine free elections in Venezuela?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not a conservative, i'm a libertarian. And I understand what you are saying just fine, and I directly addressed it. If you like socialist programs like social security and medicare that's fine, if everyone likes them that's fine. But they are socialism.

That's idiotic. No, they are not 'socialism'

It is NOT socialist to make YOU pay for your OWN retirement and your OWN Medical care after retirement.

That's just stupidity.

You people need to leave the 'S' word alone. You have NO clue what it means.

None.

No one is paying for their own retirement with social security. There is no trust fun. The money was spent as it was brought in, nothing was left to us by our parents. Zero. So here's what you're saying:

1) General revenue: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is not a trust fun

2) Social security: Government spends money, taxes my generation for the bills. that is a trust fun.

That's ridiculous.

Social security is pure redistribution of money. I'm paying for my parents, they saved zero. Doing the same thing to my kids isn't me saving money either. I don't want to do that to them even though my parents did it to me

Wrong, as usual. The Trust Fund is invested. It draws interest. It holds bonds.

What is the Trust Fund "invested" in?

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is socialism. His brand of socialism is the hammer cocked on a gun ready to fire.

Name a social democracy that has devolved into dictatorship?

The Weimer Republic.

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The exception that proves the rule.

That isn't how the phrase goes. It's "the exception that tests the rule." If you have an exception, then it isn't a rule. However, all the examples given previously that you rejected are also valid. I just listed one that you couldn't possibly reject.

Exception that proves the rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We can argue about the phrase all day, but the fact is that exceptions don't prove the rule. They disprove it. If physicists found exceptions to the law of gravity, they would toss out the theory and look for a new one.

 

[Tuatara]

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

When Chavez had term limits for elective offices stricken from their Constitution in 2009

Try to keep up, umkay?

I remember a lot of idiocy reactionaries to this when it was first presented by the right. Again I will remind you many countries including the UK and Canada have no term limits. Not one person on any political forum asserted that these countries were run by dictators but somehow Venezuela is. More fear induced right-wing nonsense.

 

[Tuatara]

It is a Friday night in Venezuela. Five nights ago, the country imploded under the weight of its socialist policies. Riots, and the subsequent violence reigned and fires lit up the pre-dawn sky. The government backed paramilitary, National Police and National Guard set upon various cities across the country, snuffing out dissent, shooting at and in some cases murdering student protesters, carrying out brutal beatings, shooting tear gas into buildings and silencing other protests against its strict censorship of the media and speech wherever they saw it.

This is prime evidence that wherever socialism goes, it leaves death, destruction and chaos in its wake. What makes this even worse is that the world isn't paying any attention. With Syria and the conflict between Russia and The Ukraine dominating the headlines, the violence in Venezuela is being ignored.

(Yes, I'm looking at you, Bernie Sanders supporters)

Tonight, Venezuela is seeing a spasm of violence that’s unlike anything the country has experienced since 1989. Information is fragmented, since an almost complete media black-out is in place, but you don’t need the media to hear your neighbor’s screams.

Caracas, Valencia, Merida and San Cristobal in particular have become virtual war zones: National Guard units and National Police have been shooting tear gas canisters and buckshot sometimes directly at protesters, sometimes into residential buildings and, raiding any place they think student protesters may be hiding. Alongside them, the government backed colectivos (basically paramilitary gangs on motorbikes, a tropical basij) shoot at people with live ammo.

But of course, this is no war zone: in a war zone you have two sides shooting at each other. Tonight one side is doing all the shooting, the other side is [corrected for grammar] being shot at.

19F - The Night Venezuela Finally Imploded | Caracas Chronicles

It's amazing that you cannot see the difference in Bernie's Democratic Socialism, which is similar to countries like Norway and Sweden, versus the near dictatorships of Venezuela and similar countries. SMH

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

So you think they have genuine free elections in Venezuela?

Watch the documentary The Revolution will not be Televised and then ask that question.

 

[Dragonlady]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

 

[bripat9643]

It is a Friday night in Venezuela. Five nights ago, the country imploded under the weight of its socialist policies. Riots, and the subsequent violence reigned and fires lit up the pre-dawn sky. The government backed paramilitary, National Police and National Guard set upon various cities across the country, snuffing out dissent, shooting at and in some cases murdering student protesters, carrying out brutal beatings, shooting tear gas into buildings and silencing other protests against its strict censorship of the media and speech wherever they saw it.

This is prime evidence that wherever socialism goes, it leaves death, destruction and chaos in its wake. What makes this even worse is that the world isn't paying any attention. With Syria and the conflict between Russia and The Ukraine dominating the headlines, the violence in Venezuela is being ignored.

(Yes, I'm looking at you, Bernie Sanders supporters)

Tonight, Venezuela is seeing a spasm of violence that’s unlike anything the country has experienced since 1989. Information is fragmented, since an almost complete media black-out is in place, but you don’t need the media to hear your neighbor’s screams.

Caracas, Valencia, Merida and San Cristobal in particular have become virtual war zones: National Guard units and National Police have been shooting tear gas canisters and buckshot sometimes directly at protesters, sometimes into residential buildings and, raiding any place they think student protesters may be hiding. Alongside them, the government backed colectivos (basically paramilitary gangs on motorbikes, a tropical basij) shoot at people with live ammo.

But of course, this is no war zone: in a war zone you have two sides shooting at each other. Tonight one side is doing all the shooting, the other side is [corrected for grammar] being shot at.

19F - The Night Venezuela Finally Imploded | Caracas Chronicles

It's amazing that you cannot see the difference in Bernie's Democratic Socialism, which is similar to countries like Norway and Sweden, versus the near dictatorships of Venezuela and similar countries. SMH

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

So you think they have genuine free elections in Venezuela?

Watch the documentary The Revolution will not be Televised and then ask that question.

I'm asking you what you think. I already know the facts.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

It has failed everywhere it's been tried. All the socialist programs in the countries you listed are headed for bankruptcy. They aren't sustainable.

Public schools did not make the US wealthy. That's socialist propaganda.

 

[Manchester]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

It has failed everywhere it's been tried. All the socialist programs in the countries you listed are headed for bankruptcy. They aren't sustainable.

Public schools did not make the US wealthy. That's socialist propaganda.

Such a loaded word, "propaganda". It's rich with totalitarian thought control implications isn't it. All the nations listed have had ruling parties with socialist leanings, none of them are in any way worse off for it. The USA has more science nobel prizes than all other nations put togther, are you going to tell me that a good schools system isn't the basis for that? Or that innovation isn't the key to good business? Or will you skirt round the edges of Godwin using emotionally loaded terms?

 

[Tuatara]

It is a Friday night in Venezuela. Five nights ago, the country imploded under the weight of its socialist policies. Riots, and the subsequent violence reigned and fires lit up the pre-dawn sky. The government backed paramilitary, National Police and National Guard set upon various cities across the country, snuffing out dissent, shooting at and in some cases murdering student protesters, carrying out brutal beatings, shooting tear gas into buildings and silencing other protests against its strict censorship of the media and speech wherever they saw it.

This is prime evidence that wherever socialism goes, it leaves death, destruction and chaos in its wake. What makes this even worse is that the world isn't paying any attention. With Syria and the conflict between Russia and The Ukraine dominating the headlines, the violence in Venezuela is being ignored.

(Yes, I'm looking at you, Bernie Sanders supporters)

19F - The Night Venezuela Finally Imploded | Caracas Chronicles

It's amazing that you cannot see the difference in Bernie's Democratic Socialism, which is similar to countries like Norway and Sweden, versus the near dictatorships of Venezuela and similar countries. SMH

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

So you think they have genuine free elections in Venezuela?

Watch the documentary The Revolution will not be Televised and then ask that question.

I'm asking you what you think. I already know the facts.

No you don't have all the facts because that documentary shows the corruptness of the Venezuelan media. As for you question I feel the elections are freer than the US.

 

[regent]

Maybe because schools decided it was best to not teach about socialism, or they could be accused of teaching socialism, many Americans have trouble defining socialism.
So which, if any of the few listed are considered socialism?

Social Security
welfare to the poor
government "make work" programs
health care to the poor
government loans money to a business
fire or police departments
the military
streets and highways

 

[Tuatara]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

It has failed everywhere it's been tried. All the socialist programs in the countries you listed are headed for bankruptcy. They aren't sustainable.

Public schools did not make the US wealthy. That's socialist propaganda.

Really? This is news to me. Care to support this assertion with actual documentation.

 

[Manchester]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

It has failed everywhere it's been tried. All the socialist programs in the countries you listed are headed for bankruptcy. They aren't sustainable.

Public schools did not make the US wealthy. That's socialist propaganda.

Really? This is news to me. Care to support this assertion with actual documentation.

Someone is in for a loooooong wait.

 

[Flash]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

In post WWII the more capitalist US has had twice the economic growth as any of the European more Socialist Paradises. Socialism is always a poor economic model. Socialism has produces either downright failure like we saw in the Soviet Union, East Europe, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc or dismal economic growth like we have seen in these European democrat socialists countries.

Of course Obama and the filthy ass Democrats are trying to make the US like these European socialist shitholes and that is why we are seeing poor economic growth.

This country spends more money on education than any other country on the face of the earth and has piss poor results. If that is your example of successful socialism then you fail.

By the way, no Republican has the guts to what is right and defund the filthy ass Federal Department of Education. That is an absolute waste of money that does nothing but fund the greedy Teacher's unions.

 

[Edgetho]

I remember a lot of idiocy reactionaries to this when it was first presented by the right. Again I will remind you many countries including the UK and Canada have no term limits. Not one person on any political forum asserted that these countries were run by dictators but somehow Venezuela is. More fear induced right-wing nonsense.

You're comparing a Parliamentary system to a Presidential system?

You really are stupid.

In a Parliamentary system such as the UK, the PM can be removed on a whim. And the PM is not a Chief Executive.

A Presidential system, the Chief Executive serves for 'X' number of years certain.

Go back to school.

On second thought -- Don't bother. It wouldn't do any good

 

[Flash]

[Q]

Such a loaded word, "propaganda". It's rich with totalitarian thought control implications isn't it. All the nations listed have had ruling parties with socialist leanings, none of them are in any way worse off for it. The USA has more science nobel prizes than all other nations put togther, are you going to tell me that a good schools system isn't the basis for that? Or that innovation isn't the key to good business? Or will you skirt round the edges of Godwin using emotionally loaded terms?

Many of those Noble Prize winners were educated in private universities. Most of what is considered top notch universities in the US are private.

Throwing money into an inefficient and politically influenced education system runs up the cost of government but does nothing to improve education. In fact it usually hurts education.

My children went to a private school that spent 1/3rd as much per student as the country district and they received an excellent education.

Only stupid Libtards think more money equals better.

 

[Slade3200]

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela. Ditch the pointless labels and look at the policy ideas... If you must use a label then at least use the correct one... The term is "Democratic Socialist"

Bernies plans are nothing like the type of Socialism instituted in Venezuela.

Bullshit!

All the Socialist dickheads say that. They claim that they can somehow make socialism work this time but it always fails.

This stupid idea that a nation is somehow more prosperous when you take money from those that earned it and give it to those that didn't earn it is one of the great scams of mankind.

"Their ain't no such thing as a free lunch". Libtards have a very difficult time understanding that simple concept, even when it is explained to them.

You absolutists are hopeless... I'm going to try though. Welfare and social security are programs from a socialist ideology, that doesn't make the USA a Socialist republic. Bernie is proposing some additional programs to address a gross imbalance of wealth (I dare you to deny this) to help improve our education and health care system and lift up the poor and middle class. We are still a capitalist democracy and even if all of bernies policies were instituted (which they won't) it wouldn't change the heart of what our government and country's ideology is

 

[bripat9643]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

It has failed everywhere it's been tried. All the socialist programs in the countries you listed are headed for bankruptcy. They aren't sustainable.

Public schools did not make the US wealthy. That's socialist propaganda.

Such a loaded word, "propaganda". It's rich with totalitarian thought control implications isn't it. All the nations listed have had ruling parties with socialist leanings, none of them are in any way worse off for it. The USA has more science nobel prizes than all other nations put togther, are you going to tell me that a good schools system isn't the basis for that? Or that innovation isn't the key to good business? Or will you skirt round the edges of Godwin using emotionally loaded terms?

Innovation and school are two separate things. The United States became the richest nation on earth long before public schools became the norm. Freedom is what makes a country great, not socialist programs.

Electing a party with socialist leanings doesn't make a country socialist. Government control of the means of production is what makes it socialist. The more the government has taken control of the economy in these countries, the worse their economies have performed.

 

[Manchester]

Socialist always make the claim that their brand of socialism will somehow be successful when the record clearly shows that it has failed every place else.

Idiots!

Socialism hasn't failed in Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Germany, Scandanavia, the Netherlands, and any number of socialist countries around the world, including the US.

In fact, the reason why the US became the most wealthy country is the world is through the socialism of free public school education. Having a vast pool of educated labour, enabled the country floursih last century. Of course, Republicans are busy dismantling the public education system and the US continues to decline in education standard compared to other first world nations.

In post WWII the more capitalist US has had twice the economic growth as any of the European more Socialist Paradises. Socialism is always a poor economic model. Socialism has produces either downright failure like we saw in the Soviet Union, East Europe, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc or dismal economic growth like we have seen in these European democrat socialists countries.

Of course Obama and the filthy ass Democrats are trying to make the US like these European socialist shitholes and that is why we are seeing poor economic growth.

This country spends more money on education than any other country on the face of the earth and has piss poor results. If that is your example of successful socialism then you fail.

By the way, no Republican has the guts to what is right and defund the filthy ass Federal Department of Education. That is an absolute waste of money that does nothing but fund the greedy Teacher's unions.

But in 1945 the USA was still a young nation, with more resources that were untapped and more ground in which to expand than the historically much older European nations. Also post WWII those Socialist shitholes were having to rebuild their entire infrastructures due to the a long and drawn out war that had devistated them. If the US turned up at the start of world wars instead of the end of them maybe it wouldnt have been the powerhouse that is was in the second half of the 20th century.

Odd that these countires you denegrate so happily all have standards of living roughly equivolent to that of the US.

 

[bripat9643]

It's amazing that you cannot see the difference in Bernie's Democratic Socialism, which is similar to countries like Norway and Sweden, versus the near dictatorships of Venezuela and similar countries. SMH

Wait, Venezuela is under a dictatorship. When did this happen?

So you think they have genuine free elections in Venezuela?

Watch the documentary The Revolution will not be Televised and then ask that question.

I'm asking you what you think. I already know the facts.

No you don't have all the facts because that documentary shows the corruptness of the Venezuelan media. As for you question I feel the elections are freer than the US.

It's bullshit, in other words. You're a sucker for communist propaganda. Furthermore, the government now controls the Venezuelan media.