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Jillian is telling lies again and so unashamed about it. Go figure.
Precisely what the left would do if harm befell Bush Cheney, Gonzales, Coulter, O'Reilly, Palin, (remember you hung her in effigy) Beck, Limbaugh (remember you wished his kidney's would fail) you gonna take responsibility for that despicable act if they do??? yawn yawn yawn!
who's "you", you braindead freak?
Hey, Tech, is Willlow Psycho what you'd call your "sane Christians"? Look how the wingnuts are loving that this doctor was killed.
The people who do this type of thing should be treated no differently than any other terrorists.
Just like I said above. There are some on this thread who believe very similar to Terry. Whether they believe that independently or because of people like Terry, is a question for them.
Look, I disagree with their conclusions, but I understand how they arrived at them. I have seen no reason to doubt that their beliefs are sincerely held. Putting myself in their position with those beliefs, I can understand that they might hold what would seem to me to be a radical view that all these abortions are murder.
Having said all that, it is not legitimate, in my view, for them to then move forward and say violence is justified in face of what they believe is a human tragedy.
But, I would ask you, if you stood with a sniper rifle on a hill outside Belsen in 1943, would you shoot the camp commander, or no?
So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.You don't compromise with people that commit acts of terror, and you certainly don't ask women to do it, either.
You are not monopolizing the values and perspective of ALL WOMEN. I hate to break it to you but pro-lifers aren't all bullish controlling men even if such rhetoric sounds good at the naral gala.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
What the heck are you drinking? She said nothing of the sort.who's "you", you braindead freak?
Hey, Tech, is Willlow Psycho what you'd call your "sane Christians"? Look how the wingnuts are loving that this doctor was killed.
The people who do this type of thing should be treated no differently than any other terrorists.
Just like I said above. There are some on this thread who believe very similar to Terry. Whether they believe that independently or because of people like Terry, is a question for them.
Look, I disagree with their conclusions, but I understand how they arrived at them. I have seen no reason to doubt that their beliefs are sincerely held. Putting myself in their position with those beliefs, I can understand that they might hold what would seem to me to be a radical view that all these abortions are murder.
Having said all that, it is not legitimate, in my view, for them to then move forward and say violence is justified in face of what they believe is a human tragedy.
But, I would ask you, if you stood with a sniper rifle on a hill outside Belsen in 1943, would you shoot the camp commander, or no?
She is a lying asshole partisan hack. There are very few people that support murder and even fewer that support murder of Doctors that preform abortions, she is labeling people with a rightful point of opinion as terrorists just as our Government is trying to do. Rather then solve this through the political process, which they have failed at ever since the Supreme Court took it out of our hands, she wants the Government to shut up the opposition by declaring the opinion as a terrorist tactic.
You really want to make half the Country terrorists Jillian? Are you INSANE? Like I said, shit like this will lead to open armed rebellion. ANd the LEFT is hard at it pushing issues like this to that very point. Jillian and her buddies are going to find out that armed Americans can and will fight their Government when forced to.
Quit pussy footing around, THAT is what you are saying , she is a big girl and needs to be told what her position is going to lead too.
You don't compromise with people that commit acts of terror, and you certainly don't ask women to do it, either.No no no no no no no no no no!
Cause these same wackos don't want sex ed, birth control, morning after pills, education funding or job training for single mothers, welfare for single mothers or anything else that allows babies to be cared for.
I know you don't think we should be giving muslim terrorists what they want from us to find a common ground.
These people are terrorists.... they need to keep their religion in their churches. Why on earth should anyone compromise their constitutional right to have government stay out of their body to pacify religious extremists?
I think you are indulging in a little "right play." Isn't that what you accuse the Bush of doing? Once you call someone a terrorist, half the battle is won, isn't it?
The difference is that you have to live and work with these people. They are part of your society. I'm not, by any means, saying give up abortion. That's not a compromise, that's a capitulation.
Come'on, you've negotiated plenty before, you can imagine what a compromise in this situation would look like. You give up late term, except in the most dire circumstances. Abortions, are in general, scaled back to only pre-viability. Etc. Etc.
I understand your point about the sex ed, welfare etc. I don't have any problem with it. I'm not sure that it works, but I'm not against it. Careful with my money though. We might have a tussle about that.
As far as the Constitutional right goes, I'm probably not the guy you want to talk to on that. I think Griswold is a big, steaming pile of shit. It's certainly no place to rest your right to an abortion. I'd feel much better about it if the states had granted the right.
So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.You are not monopolizing the values and perspective of ALL WOMEN. I hate to break it to you but pro-lifers aren't all bullish controlling men even if such rhetoric sounds good at the naral gala.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
Not all prolifers are out "committing terrorist acts". You can't name more than 5 who have killed anyone in the last 20 years. Generalizing the action of Tiller's Killer may help you feel smart but all it dos is clarify your stupidity.
I've got news for you, fatass, you are not the only voice with an opinon on the issue. Half of America disagrees with your fat cheeked response. That, fat girl, is the cold hard fact. And, it will remain a fact until your stupid **** decides to look around you and consider more than your own opinion OR you find the rug swept out from under you regardless.
Tech is the one claiming we should take people's feelings into account if this opinion enflames them enough to commit murder. I don't even know why I bother responding to your stupid posts.
Oh, I forgot. Del did say that conservatives were all right wing extremists...You don't compromise with people that commit acts of terror, and you certainly don't ask women to do it, either.I think you are indulging in a little "right play." Isn't that what you accuse the Bush of doing? Once you call someone a terrorist, half the battle is won, isn't it?
The difference is that you have to live and work with these people. They are part of your society. I'm not, by any means, saying give up abortion. That's not a compromise, that's a capitulation.
Come'on, you've negotiated plenty before, you can imagine what a compromise in this situation would look like. You give up late term, except in the most dire circumstances. Abortions, are in general, scaled back to only pre-viability. Etc. Etc.
I understand your point about the sex ed, welfare etc. I don't have any problem with it. I'm not sure that it works, but I'm not against it. Careful with my money though. We might have a tussle about that.
As far as the Constitutional right goes, I'm probably not the guy you want to talk to on that. I think Griswold is a big, steaming pile of shit. It's certainly no place to rest your right to an abortion. I'd feel much better about it if the states had granted the right.
You and Jillian are trying to label half the Country as Terrorists and you want us to believe anything you say? Fucking brain dead dumb ass.
What the heck are you drinking? She said nothing of the sort.Just like I said above. There are some on this thread who believe very similar to Terry. Whether they believe that independently or because of people like Terry, is a question for them.
Look, I disagree with their conclusions, but I understand how they arrived at them. I have seen no reason to doubt that their beliefs are sincerely held. Putting myself in their position with those beliefs, I can understand that they might hold what would seem to me to be a radical view that all these abortions are murder.
Having said all that, it is not legitimate, in my view, for them to then move forward and say violence is justified in face of what they believe is a human tragedy.
But, I would ask you, if you stood with a sniper rifle on a hill outside Belsen in 1943, would you shoot the camp commander, or no?
She is a lying asshole partisan hack. There are very few people that support murder and even fewer that support murder of Doctors that preform abortions, she is labeling people with a rightful point of opinion as terrorists just as our Government is trying to do. Rather then solve this through the political process, which they have failed at ever since the Supreme Court took it out of our hands, she wants the Government to shut up the opposition by declaring the opinion as a terrorist tactic.
You really want to make half the Country terrorists Jillian? Are you INSANE? Like I said, shit like this will lead to open armed rebellion. ANd the LEFT is hard at it pushing issues like this to that very point. Jillian and her buddies are going to find out that armed Americans can and will fight their Government when forced to.
Quit pussy footing around, THAT is what you are saying , she is a big girl and needs to be told what her position is going to lead too.
who's "you", you braindead freak?
Hey, Tech, is Willlow Psycho what you'd call your "sane Christians"? Look how the wingnuts are loving that this doctor was killed.
The people who do this type of thing should be treated no differently than any other terrorists.
Just like I said above. There are some on this thread who believe very similar to Terry. Whether they believe that independently or because of people like Terry, is a question for them.
Look, I disagree with their conclusions, but I understand how they arrived at them. I have seen no reason to doubt that their beliefs are sincerely held. Putting myself in their position with those beliefs, I can understand that they might hold what would seem to me to be a radical view that all these abortions are murder.
Having said all that, it is not legitimate, in my view, for them to then move forward and say violence is justified in face of what they believe is a human tragedy.
But, I would ask you, if you stood with a sniper rifle on a hill outside Belsen in 1943, would you shoot the camp commander, or no?
She is a lying asshole partisan hack. There are very few people that support murder and even fewer that support murder of Doctors that preform abortions, she is labeling people with a rightful point of opinion as terrorists just as our Government is trying to do. Rather then solve this through the political process, which they have failed at ever since the Supreme Court took it out of our hands, she wants the Government to shut up the opposition by declaring the opinion as a terrorist tactic.
You really want to make half the Country terrorists Jillian? Are you INSANE? Like I said, shit like this will lead to open armed rebellion. ANd the LEFT is hard at it pushing issues like this to that very point. Jillian and her buddies are going to find out that armed Americans can and will fight their Government when forced to.
Quit pussy footing around, THAT is what you are saying , she is a big girl and needs to be told what her position is going to lead too.
So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
Not all prolifers are out "committing terrorist acts". You can't name more than 5 who have killed anyone in the last 20 years. Generalizing the action of Tiller's Killer may help you feel smart but all it dos is clarify your stupidity.
I've got news for you, fatass, you are not the only voice with an opinon on the issue. Half of America disagrees with your fat cheeked response. That, fat girl, is the cold hard fact. And, it will remain a fact until your stupid **** decides to look around you and consider more than your own opinion OR you find the rug swept out from under you regardless.
But, I would ask you, if you stood with a sniper rifle on a hill outside Belsen in 1943, would you shoot the camp commander, or no?
Terrible analogy...and exactly the type of thing that enables the loons... .
My religion says such choices are a matter of conscience. I don't think anyone has the right to impose a different religious or moral belief. their views are neither mainstream nor acceptable.
Again, we don't find "middle ground" with islamic fundamentalists... why should we find "middle ground with these terrorists.
Roe v Wade balanced the right of an individual to control her own body against the right of the government to step in to save potential life...
that works for me.
They need to stay out of other people's bodies.
You're trying to use reason and common sense here which is something that is sadly lacking on the left side of the aisle, especially with the likes of Jillian. You could point out that none of what she ranted about is true. There IS sex education in schools, there IS welfare for single mothers, there ARE free clinics out the wazoo available to low income people to obtain birth control and see to pre-natal health, there ARE facilities and charities available to low income mothers for education , job training, and child careand abortion IS legal. There are millions of dollars spent every year on these programs year after year after year. 'They' have everything on their agenda fulfilled and yet is STILL isn't enough, they would throw yet more of our money at it. It will never end, and society will never do enough to satisfy these people. Yet she'll sit there and harp about hypothetical situations as if they were reality. What the hell is she bitching about exactly?
So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.You don't compromise with people that commit acts of terror, and you certainly don't ask women to do it, either.
You are not monopolizing the values and perspective of ALL WOMEN. I hate to break it to you but pro-lifers aren't all bullish controlling men even if such rhetoric sounds good at the naral gala.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
You're trying to use reason and common sense here which is something that is sadly lacking on the left side of the aisle, especially with the likes of Jillian. You could point out that none of what she ranted about is true. There IS sex education in schools, there IS welfare for single mothers, there ARE free clinics out the wazoo available to low income people to obtain birth control and see to pre-natal health, there ARE facilities and charities available to low income mothers for education , job training, and child careand abortion IS legal. There are millions of dollars spent every year on these programs year after year after year. 'They' have everything on their agenda fulfilled and yet is STILL isn't enough, they would throw yet more of our money at it. It will never end, and society will never do enough to satisfy these people. Yet she'll sit there and harp about hypothetical situations as if they were reality. What the hell is she bitching about exactly?
These programs and laws are constantly under threat from conservatives, Newby. Sex education is always threatened. Welfare is always threatened. Funding for free clinics is always threatened. Funding for facilities and programs that help single and low-income mothers is always threatened. The millions of dollars spent on these programs in an attempt to help children of low income parents and in attempt to ensure that those children don't grow up and turn to crime or drugs as is prevalent among America's impoverished are constantly being threatened. Just for a woman to go to a clinic she may have to fight her way through a crowd of protestors calling her baby killer or murderer. Yet she may just be getting birth control pills. A woman's right to choose is always under threat. Just last year 3 states tried to pass laws making abortion illegal: Colorado, North Dakota, and California. And that's just the last election. So don't pretend as though the Left has everything it wants and should just sit back content, because just about everything the Left has fought for over the past century is constantly under direct threat. Unlike anything that directly affects conservatives's lives.
everywhere you use the word "threatened" a more moderate even minded person would use the word "challenged" yep! nobody threatens you with free speech.. the threat comes when you don't have it.. funny innit? during your eight years of non stop bitching it was a "patriotic" duty to challenge!
everywhere you use the word "threatened" a more moderate even minded person would use the word "challenged" yep! nobody threatens you with free speech.. the threat comes when you don't have it.. funny innit? during your eight years of non stop bitching it was a "patriotic" duty to challenge!
Not really. "Challenged" doesn't really fit. Its not as though these programs and laws are just being scrutinized to find how to better do them or what should be reduced or minimized, its that those who oppose these programs and laws are attempting to do away with them completely. There isn't a middle ground of reform that is the target, its complete dissolution and overturning a woman's right to choose.
My freedom of speech is "challenged" by obscenity laws which are in place due to conservatives. And by the Patriot Act.
Questioning authority is not only a right but it is an American duty, Willow. When I challenged the Bush administrations policies or Republican lead legislative acts, I was questioning authority. When conservatives question Obama's birth certificate, criticize his policies as being socialist or marxist, call him a radical, or what-have-you they are questioning authority. Its just that their questions are for the most part silly or stupid and lack a true understanding of what it means to live in an organized and civilized society in the 21st Century. Some of their criticism are well-reasoned. Some of them.
I disagree. The violence around this issue is relatively new, historically speaking. Allowing a group of extremists to shape policy only invites other extremists to use violence for their own gains.So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.You are not monopolizing the values and perspective of ALL WOMEN. I hate to break it to you but pro-lifers aren't all bullish controlling men even if such rhetoric sounds good at the naral gala.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
Actually, as I stated above, we do include those that have committed terrorist acts in our negotiations in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, those are foreign conflicts. It seems to me that we have a much greater interest in reaching a lasting and solid solution to this issue that is the source of repeated strife and violence.
You don't really have the choice to strangle it. Your choice is to reach a solution that lowers the heat level or continue to have flair ups such as this. (And I would speculate worse in coming years). Your choice.
From the terrorist at Rescue America:
I believe that the demand for non-violence in regard to the imminent deaths of innocent human beings is totally misguided and is a work of Satan. To promise to be peaceful while innocent human beings are being murdered would be unconscionable.
Rescue America and Operation Rescue about Non-Violence
Am in receipt of recent correspondence from Don Treshman of Rescue America. His letter demands that all who will be attending an upcoming combined Rescue America and Operation Rescue event sign a pledge of nonviolence. While I understand Don's motivation of unification with Flip Benham of Operation Rescue, I believe that the demand for non-violence in regard to the imminent deaths of innocent human beings is totally misguided and is a work of Satan. To promise to be peaceful while innocent human beings are being murdered would be unconscionable.
I disagree. The violence around this issue is relatively new, historically speaking. Allowing a group of extremists to shape policy only invites other extremists to use violence for their own gains.So you are for compromising with people that commit terrorist acts? This doesn't surprise me.
I've got news for you, dimwit. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
Actually, as I stated above, we do include those that have committed terrorist acts in our negotiations in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, those are foreign conflicts. It seems to me that we have a much greater interest in reaching a lasting and solid solution to this issue that is the source of repeated strife and violence.
You don't really have the choice to strangle it. Your choice is to reach a solution that lowers the heat level or continue to have flair ups such as this. (And I would speculate worse in coming years). Your choice.
The US has a history of MYOB and there is no law that forces anyone to abort. I see no valid compromise.
