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Abstinence will only work if the teenager buys in, otherwise its useless.
Or if they're ugly.![]()
First - credit to Missourian for posting this link.
Second, let me start with a disclaimer that, though I fall pretty far to the right on many issues, I have never believed in abstinence programs and thought them rather foolish. Who believe that people actually follow an abstinence program anyway? I have seen many members laugh at anyone for even suggesting it and ridiculing them as the programs are completely ineffective. This study, on CNN health - certainly not a RW echo chamber so don't attack the source, says otherwise:
Study: Abstinence program most effective at delaying sex among youths - CNN
Personally, I think it may be due to the limited scope (age most likely) the study take but it may be a point that we need a merging of BOTH abstinence only programs at a young age and sexual education courses later (like high school age).
Your thoughts?
"In A Study of History, by Arnold J. Toynbee, in the chapter called Schism in the Soul, Toynbee observed that one of the consistent symptoms of a disintegrating civilization is that elites begin to imitate the bottom of society. Toynbee says the growth phase of civilization is led by a creative minority who have a strong, self-confident sense of style, virtue and purpose. The uncreative majority follows along through attempts to imitate the creative minority. In disintegrating civilizations, the creative minority (elites) are no longer confident and setting the example. They "lapse into truancy" (reject the obligations of citizenship) and "surrender to a sense of promiscuity" (succumb to vulgarization of manners, the arts and language). Until a few decades ago, the groups we used to call "low-class" or "trash", are now called the underclass. The upper-class, instead of challenging trashy behavior, often imitates and placates it.
a. four-letter words were unknown in public discourse and among the elites and were used sparingly even in private discourse. Today, vulgar language knows no class, sex, age or place. As late as 1960, sleeping with one's boyfriend was mostly a lower-class thing. It was deemed sluttish and something to be kept secret; today it's open and assumed to be normal . In some instances, unwed mothers proudly hold baby showers celebrating their illegitimate offspring. Homosexual marriages were unheard of; today, in some jurisdictions, homosexual marriages have legal sanction. Of course, to be judgmental about the new codes of conduct is to risk being labeled a prude and possibly a racist, sexist or a homophobe.
America's New Role Models
There was a time when said programs were unnecessary.....
I you might find Charles Murray's "Coming Apart" an epiphany.
Among students who received instruction on overall good health, but not having to do with sex directly, nearly 47 percent had sexual activity in the two years after the class.
yes telling kids the beifits of waiting until they are older to enguage in sex is a good idea.
I have no problem with telling them this , I told my own child this.
Its when they want it to be the only thing you teach them about sex that it is wrong
Educate them about sex and also tell them WHY its best to wait and why its best to limit your partners.
yeah sex education....like there's so much to learn...let's spend billions.
I think maybe no one ever taught you all there is to learn about sex.
There is mountains of sceince about sex.
Your hand and a towel is not all there is.
Abstinence will only work if the teenager buys in, otherwise its useless.
and, you know, you hope for the best and you hope they make good choices. but in the same breath as any parent says "you shouldn't..." they should also say "but if you do.....".
it's called being realistic and not burying your head in the sand.
more important, imo, to teach them to be responsible and safe when they have sex than to pretend they won't have sex if you take away their condoms.
Sex Education is not a stand alone topic, it should be part of a comprehensive, age appropriate, curriculum on health.
yeah sex education....like there's so much to learn...let's spend billions.
I think maybe no one ever taught you all there is to learn about sex.
There is mountains of sceince about sex.
Your hand and a towel is not all there is.
Yeah, well I managed to learn the crucial part about sex without the government teaching me. When I have sex, I use a condom so I don't get anyone pregnant, or get a disease.
They need to stay away from sex until they are ready for the adult needs involved with taking care of themselves.
There is also the emotional component.
That age varies from person to person.
At first you give them talks about staying away from such a relationship becasue it would harm them because physically and emotionally they are not ready.
No child should be having sex
If you wait until your body is fully formed it is better for your physical and emotional well being.
At that point its a matter of being emotionally able to deal with the repercussions that can occur.
Both physical and emotional repercussions.
You talk to a kid like that about sex and watch them eat up the information.
Sex Education is not a stand alone topic, it should be part of a comprehensive, age appropriate, curriculum on health.
....because there is no indication that such programs work.
Anyone who thinks abstinence only works is a naive fool
sixth- and seventh-graders from having sex within a two-year period
This one age group.
I have not known many kids this age who I would think would benifit from learning how to apply a condom.
These kids are too young
I think maybe no one ever taught you all there is to learn about sex.
There is mountains of sceince about sex.
Your hand and a towel is not all there is.
Yeah, well I managed to learn the crucial part about sex without the government teaching me. When I have sex, I use a condom so I don't get anyone pregnant, or get a disease.
you have only scraped the surface kid.
Anyone who thinks abstinence only works is a naive fool
Anyone who thinks abstinence only works is a naive fool
Well, when you can point to a virgin who is pregnant (outside Christ's mother) or one that has STDs, you might be able to persuade me that Chastity doesn't work.
Abstinence will only work if the teenager buys in, otherwise its useless.