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no one was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. Even those in the country illegally were treated, and it was FREE.
ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Those who paid always covered those who did not, exactly the same as under obozocare, except that now they also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy to "administer" it.
A health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
there were two problems that could have been fixed with a one page bill.
make insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions
do away with lifetime maximums
No one filed bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. They may have filed due to car payments, credit card debt, etc. but 98% of unpaid medical bills were either written off or covered by Medicaid or medicare.
The uninsured were not turned away. you are posting lies and left wing talking points.
No of course they went to er, you call visits to er health care? I call it emergency care due to no healthcare or an accident of some sort.
A large maj of bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
Medicaid paid for unpaid medical bills, no not if one had assets and could afford their own insurance. Do you know how low one needs to be to get on Medicaid??? In Texas a family of 3 its 8700 a year and no assets.
Medicare is for someone who is 65 or disabled.
Yes, when you get it free, its not always convenient, tough shit, its free.
Some bankruptcy filings include unpaid medical bills, but none include ONLY unpaid medical bills. Hospitals and doctors do not take patients to court for unpaid bills, they write them off and make it up by charging more to those who are insured. That's exactly the same under obozocare. Nothing is changed except that those paying are now paying more and have higher deductibles. Sure, you like it if you get it free. I understand that. But there is a net cost increase to the entire country that someone has to pay.
ER is not the same thing as health insurance. The rest I refuse to debate with you, I am the one for the ACA, so everyone pays. you would rather pay for the uninsured. Are you crazy.
Dear Wry CatcherDaily dose of faux rage.
There is nothing fake about it, only a neo fascist like you will excuse Trump's need to bully and seek revenge. My question to you is the same I posted to the other neo fascist above.
when someone puts out lies about him, he retaliates. Exactly how do you find fault with that?
Would the Clinton system be better? where their enemies simply died mysteriously or shot themselves in the back of the head twice?
How many lies were posted on this message board alone about President Obama? He was and remained a gentleman for 8 years, something Trump will never be. The facade fades when the sun goes down, and his true nature is broadcast on twitter.
Dear PenelopeDear Wry CatcherTrump turns his Twitter attacks on private citizens, raising concerns
and this:
"About a year ago, 18-year-old college student Lauren Batchelder stood up at a political forum in New Hampshire and told Donald Trump that she didn’t think he was “a friend to women.”
"The next morning, Trump fired back on Twitter — calling Batchelder an “arrogant young woman” and accusing her of being a “plant” from a rival campaign. Her phone began ringing with callers leaving threatening messages that were often sexual in nature. Her Facebook and email inboxes filled with similar messages. As her addresses circulated on social media and her photo flashed on the news, she fled home to hide."
This is what happens when Donald Trump attacks a private citizen on Twitter
Unlike the entire party of Democrats that followed Obama s lead like a mob, Trump is acting as a single individual and can be stopped.
Obama remember abused his office to deprive the entire nation of the right to choose how we pay for health care. Over half the nation has been punished with fines and forced compliance to lose our income and liberties for YEARS since the mandates have been passed, enforced, and refused to change bevause Democrats eirger dont believe or wont admit this was unconstitutional overreaching of federal govt into private decisions and choices.
Not until I saw voters voting NO against liberal biases in media and agenda in govt did I feel this was ever represented or acknowledged that people across the nation were protesting loss of liberty under Obama and Clinton s approach to govt.
So you are comparing individual incidents that CAN be fixed by addressing Individuals
Vs
Collective abuse of national power and policy by Obama and an Entire Party to penalize ALL citizens, deprive free choice, and censor and silence the opposition by refusing to Hear and Acknowledge the health care mandates are Unconstitutional in punishing citizens for wanting a Free Choice in exercising our beliefs about health care choices equally as Democrat beliefs in right to health care that not all people believe in.
Here you are on your rant against the ACA, go to McNutt and have him lay hands on you. If you get into a car crash or break your leg go to him and have him lay hands on you, better yet just pray to Sweet Jesus and be healed.
Tell the ACA, you do not believe in any medical intervention, and no more fines. Then its your responsibility to make sure you are never treated by a medical dr. Wear a bracket, stating NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION UNDER ANY CONDITION, PRAYER WOULD BE WELCOME, so they do not accidently treat you when they rush you into the hospital when your pulse is faint and 40 bpm's and they suspect internal bleeding. Hopefully the ambulance drivers will see your bracelet and just say a few prayers over you and said 'good bye".
If they do happen to treat you, due to not having this bracelet on, you need to pay for it the rest of your life. I suggest they take your home and your bank account assets and garnish your wages. Us taxpayers should not have to pay for something you were able to pay for yourself.
Dear Wry CatcherTrump turns his Twitter attacks on private citizens, raising concerns
and this:
"About a year ago, 18-year-old college student Lauren Batchelder stood up at a political forum in New Hampshire and told Donald Trump that she didn’t think he was “a friend to women.”
"The next morning, Trump fired back on Twitter — calling Batchelder an “arrogant young woman” and accusing her of being a “plant” from a rival campaign. Her phone began ringing with callers leaving threatening messages that were often sexual in nature. Her Facebook and email inboxes filled with similar messages. As her addresses circulated on social media and her photo flashed on the news, she fled home to hide."
This is what happens when Donald Trump attacks a private citizen on Twitter
Unlike the entire party of Democrats that followed Obama s lead like a mob, Trump is acting as a single individual and can be stopped.
Obama remember abused his office to deprive the entire nation of the right to choose how we pay for health care. Over half the nation has been punished with fines and forced compliance to lose our income and liberties for YEARS since the mandates have been passed, enforced, and refused to change bevause Democrats eirger dont believe or wont admit this was unconstitutional overreaching of federal govt into private decisions and choices.
Not until I saw voters voting NO against liberal biases in media and agenda in govt did I feel this was ever represented or acknowledged that people across the nation were protesting loss of liberty under Obama and Clinton s approach to govt.
So you are comparing individual incidents that CAN be fixed by addressing Individuals
Vs
Collective abuse of national power and policy by Obama and an Entire Party to penalize ALL citizens, deprive free choice, and censor and silence the opposition by refusing to Hear and Acknowledge the health care mandates are Unconstitutional in punishing citizens for wanting a Free Choice in exercising our beliefs about health care choices equally as Democrat beliefs in right to health care that not all people believe in.
Here you are on your rant against the ACA, go to McNutt and have him lay hands on you. If you get into a car crash or break your leg go to him and have him lay hands on you, better yet just pray to Sweet Jesus and be healed.
Tell the ACA, you do not believe in any medical intervention, and no more fines. Then its your responsibility to make sure you are never treated by a medical dr. Wear a bracket, stating NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION UNDER ANY CONDITION, PRAYER WOULD BE WELCOME, so they do not accidently treat you when they rush you into the hospital when your pulse is faint and 40 bpm's and they suspect internal bleeding. Hopefully the ambulance drivers will see your bracelet and just say a few prayers over you and said 'good bye".
If they do happen to treat you, due to not having this bracelet on, you need to pay for it the rest of your life. I suggest they take your home and your bank account assets and garnish your wages. Us taxpayers should not have to pay for something you were able to pay for yourself.
no one was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. Even those in the country illegally were treated, and it was FREE.
ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Those who paid always covered those who did not, exactly the same as under obozocare, except that now they also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy to "administer" it.
A health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
Says a lot about your political beliefs.He should have tracked her down and beat the crap out of her.
Dear Wry CatcherTrump turns his Twitter attacks on private citizens, raising concerns
and this:
"About a year ago, 18-year-old college student Lauren Batchelder stood up at a political forum in New Hampshire and told Donald Trump that she didn’t think he was “a friend to women.”
"The next morning, Trump fired back on Twitter — calling Batchelder an “arrogant young woman” and accusing her of being a “plant” from a rival campaign. Her phone began ringing with callers leaving threatening messages that were often sexual in nature. Her Facebook and email inboxes filled with similar messages. As her addresses circulated on social media and her photo flashed on the news, she fled home to hide."
This is what happens when Donald Trump attacks a private citizen on Twitter
Unlike the entire party of Democrats that followed Obama s lead like a mob, Trump is acting as a single individual and can be stopped.
Obama remember abused his office to deprive the entire nation of the right to choose how we pay for health care. Over half the nation has been punished with fines and forced compliance to lose our income and liberties for YEARS since the mandates have been passed, enforced, and refused to change bevause Democrats eirger dont believe or wont admit this was unconstitutional overreaching of federal govt into private decisions and choices.
Not until I saw voters voting NO against liberal biases in media and agenda in govt did I feel this was ever represented or acknowledged that people across the nation were protesting loss of liberty under Obama and Clinton s approach to govt.
So you are comparing individual incidents that CAN be fixed by addressing Individuals
Vs
Collective abuse of national power and policy by Obama and an Entire Party to penalize ALL citizens, deprive free choice, and censor and silence the opposition by refusing to Hear and Acknowledge the health care mandates are Unconstitutional in punishing citizens for wanting a Free Choice in exercising our beliefs about health care choices equally as Democrat beliefs in right to health care that not all people believe in.
Here you are on your rant against the ACA, go to McNutt and have him lay hands on you. If you get into a car crash or break your leg go to him and have him lay hands on you, better yet just pray to Sweet Jesus and be healed.
Tell the ACA, you do not believe in any medical intervention, and no more fines. Then its your responsibility to make sure you are never treated by a medical dr. Wear a bracket, stating NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION UNDER ANY CONDITION, PRAYER WOULD BE WELCOME, so they do not accidently treat you when they rush you into the hospital when your pulse is faint and 40 bpm's and they suspect internal bleeding. Hopefully the ambulance drivers will see your bracelet and just say a few prayers over you and said 'good bye".
If they do happen to treat you, due to not having this bracelet on, you need to pay for it the rest of your life. I suggest they take your home and your bank account assets and garnish your wages. Us taxpayers should not have to pay for something you were able to pay for yourself.
no one was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. Even those in the country illegally were treated, and it was FREE.
ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Those who paid always covered those who did not, exactly the same as under obozocare, except that now they also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy to "administer" it.
A health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
Dear Penelope
And who said insurance couldn't be changed without requiring mandates to buy it?
When we change safety regulations on cars, do we require people to buy cars in order for manufacturers to afford to meet safety requirements?
Look at Doctors without borders medical outreach that continue to grow in its ability to help MORE and MORE people in MORE areas and nations worldwide!
Do we require people to donate to them in order to help more people?
Dear Redfish and PenelopeA health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
there were two problems that could have been fixed with a one page bill.
make insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions
do away with lifetime maximums
No one filed bankruptcy solely due to medical bills. They may have filed due to car payments, credit card debt, etc. but 98% of unpaid medical bills were either written off or covered by Medicaid or medicare.
The uninsured were not turned away. you are posting lies and left wing talking points.
No of course they went to er, you call visits to er health care? I call it emergency care due to no healthcare or an accident of some sort.
A large maj of bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
Medicaid paid for unpaid medical bills, no not if one had assets and could afford their own insurance. Do you know how low one needs to be to get on Medicaid??? In Texas a family of 3 its 8700 a year and no assets.
Medicare is for someone who is 65 or disabled.
Yes, when you get it free, its not always convenient, tough shit, its free.
Some bankruptcy filings include unpaid medical bills, but none include ONLY unpaid medical bills. Hospitals and doctors do not take patients to court for unpaid bills, they write them off and make it up by charging more to those who are insured. That's exactly the same under obozocare. Nothing is changed except that those paying are now paying more and have higher deductibles. Sure, you like it if you get it free. I understand that. But there is a net cost increase to the entire country that someone has to pay.
ER is not the same thing as health insurance. The rest I refuse to debate with you, I am the one for the ACA, so everyone pays. you would rather pay for the uninsured. Are you crazy.
you are either very stupid or very uninformed.
"everyone pays" under ACA? are you fricken crazy? Do those who get it free pay? do those who get big supplements pay?
Yes, going to the ER is not the same as going to a doctor's office. Its inconvenient. But its free. Why should something free be as convenient as paying for something?
Dear PenelopeDear Wry Catcher
Unlike the entire party of Democrats that followed Obama s lead like a mob, Trump is acting as a single individual and can be stopped.
Obama remember abused his office to deprive the entire nation of the right to choose how we pay for health care. Over half the nation has been punished with fines and forced compliance to lose our income and liberties for YEARS since the mandates have been passed, enforced, and refused to change bevause Democrats eirger dont believe or wont admit this was unconstitutional overreaching of federal govt into private decisions and choices.
Not until I saw voters voting NO against liberal biases in media and agenda in govt did I feel this was ever represented or acknowledged that people across the nation were protesting loss of liberty under Obama and Clinton s approach to govt.
So you are comparing individual incidents that CAN be fixed by addressing Individuals
Vs
Collective abuse of national power and policy by Obama and an Entire Party to penalize ALL citizens, deprive free choice, and censor and silence the opposition by refusing to Hear and Acknowledge the health care mandates are Unconstitutional in punishing citizens for wanting a Free Choice in exercising our beliefs about health care choices equally as Democrat beliefs in right to health care that not all people believe in.
Here you are on your rant against the ACA, go to McNutt and have him lay hands on you. If you get into a car crash or break your leg go to him and have him lay hands on you, better yet just pray to Sweet Jesus and be healed.
Tell the ACA, you do not believe in any medical intervention, and no more fines. Then its your responsibility to make sure you are never treated by a medical dr. Wear a bracket, stating NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION UNDER ANY CONDITION, PRAYER WOULD BE WELCOME, so they do not accidently treat you when they rush you into the hospital when your pulse is faint and 40 bpm's and they suspect internal bleeding. Hopefully the ambulance drivers will see your bracelet and just say a few prayers over you and said 'good bye".
If they do happen to treat you, due to not having this bracelet on, you need to pay for it the rest of your life. I suggest they take your home and your bank account assets and garnish your wages. Us taxpayers should not have to pay for something you were able to pay for yourself.
no one was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. Even those in the country illegally were treated, and it was FREE.
ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Those who paid always covered those who did not, exactly the same as under obozocare, except that now they also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy to "administer" it.
A health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
Dear Penelope
And who said insurance couldn't be changed without requiring mandates to buy it?
When we change safety regulations on cars, do we require people to buy cars in order for manufacturers to afford to meet safety requirements?
Look at Doctors without borders medical outreach that continue to grow in its ability to help MORE and MORE people in MORE areas and nations worldwide!
Do we require people to donate to them in order to help more people?
You do not understand healthcare do you or health insurance. We carry extra insurance on our vehicles for the underinsured and uninsured, in Mi we have No Fault ins.
Quit complaining and sign the paper saying you do not want medical attention and sign it. you will not need to pay the fine. You would rather pay a fine than get insured, fine , no medical care for you, none. There needs to be a foot put down on people like you who refuse to buy insurance when they can.
There is a huge fine in Mi for driving without insurance.
Here how to apply for a religious relief from fine:
https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions-tool/#/results/2016/details/religion
Dear hangoverTrump is the spoiled brat that lies on the floor of a store and kicks his feet and throws a fit, because he can't get enough attention. He will do something every day to get attention, fake news, Tweets, war.
Dear Wry Catcher
Unlike the entire party of Democrats that followed Obama s lead like a mob, Trump is acting as a single individual and can be stopped.
Obama remember abused his office to deprive the entire nation of the right to choose how we pay for health care. Over half the nation has been punished with fines and forced compliance to lose our income and liberties for YEARS since the mandates have been passed, enforced, and refused to change bevause Democrats eirger dont believe or wont admit this was unconstitutional overreaching of federal govt into private decisions and choices.
Not until I saw voters voting NO against liberal biases in media and agenda in govt did I feel this was ever represented or acknowledged that people across the nation were protesting loss of liberty under Obama and Clinton s approach to govt.
So you are comparing individual incidents that CAN be fixed by addressing Individuals
Vs
Collective abuse of national power and policy by Obama and an Entire Party to penalize ALL citizens, deprive free choice, and censor and silence the opposition by refusing to Hear and Acknowledge the health care mandates are Unconstitutional in punishing citizens for wanting a Free Choice in exercising our beliefs about health care choices equally as Democrat beliefs in right to health care that not all people believe in.
Here you are on your rant against the ACA, go to McNutt and have him lay hands on you. If you get into a car crash or break your leg go to him and have him lay hands on you, better yet just pray to Sweet Jesus and be healed.
Tell the ACA, you do not believe in any medical intervention, and no more fines. Then its your responsibility to make sure you are never treated by a medical dr. Wear a bracket, stating NO MEDICAL INTERVENTION UNDER ANY CONDITION, PRAYER WOULD BE WELCOME, so they do not accidently treat you when they rush you into the hospital when your pulse is faint and 40 bpm's and they suspect internal bleeding. Hopefully the ambulance drivers will see your bracelet and just say a few prayers over you and said 'good bye".
If they do happen to treat you, due to not having this bracelet on, you need to pay for it the rest of your life. I suggest they take your home and your bank account assets and garnish your wages. Us taxpayers should not have to pay for something you were able to pay for yourself.
no one was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE. Even those in the country illegally were treated, and it was FREE.
ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist. Those who paid always covered those who did not, exactly the same as under obozocare, except that now they also have to pay for a huge government beaurocracy to "administer" it.
A health insurance problem sure did exist, ask those who didn't have it. Ask those who couldn't afford it? Ask those who had a preexisting condition, or met their lifetime cap. Ask those who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, lost their homes and savings. Ask them.
Dear Penelope
And who said insurance couldn't be changed without requiring mandates to buy it?
When we change safety regulations on cars, do we require people to buy cars in order for manufacturers to afford to meet safety requirements?
Look at Doctors without borders medical outreach that continue to grow in its ability to help MORE and MORE people in MORE areas and nations worldwide!
Do we require people to donate to them in order to help more people?
You do not understand healthcare do you or health insurance. We carry extra insurance on our vehicles for the underinsured and uninsured, in Mi we have No Fault ins.
Quit complaining and sign the paper saying you do not want medical attention and sign it. you will not need to pay the fine. You would rather pay a fine than get insured, fine , no medical care for you, none. There needs to be a foot put down on people like you who refuse to buy insurance when they can.
There is a huge fine in Mi for driving without insurance.
Here how to apply for a religious relief from fine:
https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions-tool/#/results/2016/details/religion
