Allow Americans to purchase health insurance across state lines?

Although The US is strongly represented, you can not claim it's the only nationality present. In fact since the millennium only 2004 and 2006 was a solo American effort.

10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
Brief Analyses | Health

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No. 649
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
by Scott Atlas

Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government rôle in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered.

Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

  • Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
  • Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
  • More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
  • Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

- See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care

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Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

- See more at: 10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care
First of all thank you for doing me the courtesy of actually answering the premise of my last post. Sadly enough this isn't nearly as common as 1 might expect. Now for your facts. I will go over them 1 by one. What I do notice is that most of them seem to cherry pick data favorable to the US. Nothing wrong with that, everybody does it, but I will point it out when I see it.
1. This compares the US in certain well specified cancers to certain individual countries. This is what you call cherry picking data. I haven't taken the time to check on the validity of those facts, and I assume they are correct, but it is very easy to skew data to what you want to prove if you pick and choose what data you are gonna use. ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY This seems a more honest comparison it gives death rates of all cancers per 100000 people and the US scores average at best.
2. The link provided shows Canada scoring better on cancer mortality rate, underscoring my cherry picking data point.
3. Why, pray tell does it make a point of mentioning only statins and jumps to the conclusion that the US is better at preventing chronic diseases because of it. To make a broad sweeping statement on the back of a single use of medicine seems quite a jump.
4. This is a bit trickier for me because I can't find a global statistic of the lvl of cancer screenings, just some countries, on the other hand it's exactly the same story as your first point, namely comparing certain tests in only 2 countries. Furthermore this link even casts in doubt the effectiveness on these screenings. I don't personally agree but I want to put it out there. Crunching Numbers: What Cancer Screening Statistics Really Tell Us
5. Citing surveys as a reliable way of judging quality in 2 countries is pretty dubious but for the hell of it I went to the actual source cited by your article and some weird things popped up. First of this article cites a comparison by Canada and the US but it actually is a comparison including 7 countries. And the survey turns bleak in a lot of the questions asked for the American people. It rates the care good but when asked for specifics in most cases, ALL countries in the survey do better. It's cheaper and care is more accessible in the other countries.Toward Higher-Performance Health Systems: Adults’ Health Care Experiences In Seven Countries, 2007 this is the website cited as the source by your article.
6. This might be true in the countries cited in Belgium however waiting periods are pretty reasonable and even immediate in the cases it is considered life threatening or necessary for other reason ( chance of disability if not acted upon), something I know from personal experience isn't true in your country.
7. Cites the same source as point 5 and as I already pointed out the data taken from that source is taken out highly out of context.
8. See point 5 and 7
9. The fact that something is available more doesn't necessarily mean it is more available. I have had 5 MRI's and MMI's in my life and I didn't have to pay for them, can you claim the same.
10. I do not deny that at the high end American medicine is unsurpassed. I do claim that the high end of American medicine is unavailable to most of the populace due to financial constraints. As to your second point. The article is very specific to cite, residents not citizens. Meaning that a lot of these people had their education elsewhere.
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.

Post the federal law that prevents you from buying insurance in New York State.
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.

Post the federal law that prevents you from buying insurance in New York State.


Why would I buy insurance in NY? The company I worked for had employees in NY and bought a group policy in Illinois that covered employees in every state where it had operations. If you say that an individual living in any state can buy a NY medical policy, I have to accept that as true. But it is not the norm.

The point is that the obozocare replacement should allow any individual in any state to buy the best policy for him or her no matter where the insurance company is based.

What I said in my previous post is true. NY may be an exception. If you say it is, then I accept that.
 
9. The fact that something is available more doesn't necessarily mean it is more available. I have had 5 MRI's and MMI's in my life and I didn't have to pay for them, can you claim the same.
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Actually you did pay them and more, its just that as a typical lib you lack the IQ to know how you paid for them.

We say, "you think health care is expensive now, wait till its free." Do you understand?
 
Removing obamacare mandates is not the problem selling across state lines, which can be done now. It is the state mandates and networks that makes it nearly impossible to sell across state lines. I believe your state has 52 mandates that have to be placed on a health insurance policy. How many mandates are we talking about across 50 states. Good luck with that.

All insurance policies, regardless of the state where they are sold, must meet the mandates and requirements of Obamacare. That's why so many companies have dropped issuing policies in many states.

Setting the obamacare mandates aside all states have their own mandates and network of provider's. Again, stay with me, practically impossible to sell across state lines. Why do you think when obamacare allowed company's to sell across state lines in early 2016 no one took him up on that. You cannot purchase a dirt cheap plan in another state and expect a doctor to accept the lower reimbursement from the selling state. Understand?
 
Your article notes that it is essentially illegal to sell across state lines in most of the states. You fail

Hey, why do you have to insert facts into his liberal post, why do you have to steal his thunder with your insistence of reality? That's just mean.
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.

Post the federal law that prevents you from buying insurance in New York State.


Why would I buy insurance in NY? The company I worked for had employees in NY and bought a group policy in Illinois that covered employees in every state where it had operations. If you say that an individual living in any state can buy a NY medical policy, I have to accept that as true. But it is not the norm.

The point is that the obozocare replacement should allow any individual in any state to buy the best policy for him or her no matter where the insurance company is based.

What I said in my previous post is true. NY may be an exception. If you say it is, then I accept that.


The key here is each individual's state department of insurance regulation's. There is one set of rules for employer group plans and one set for individual plans. Look it up. Then the insurance companies play into the equation.
 
Your article notes that it is essentially illegal to sell across state lines in most of the states. You fail

So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.

Yes, and your welcome. The fact is the US leads the world in medical research and innovation. Other countries, especially those in Europe, benefit from the money spent here to advance medical care. The US is subsidizing European healthcare in a sense. You should thank us. On another note- it is much more feasible to have a universal healthcare system for a smaller population.



Referencing How much of the medical research in the world is done in the US? Sure you can say that Oxford and Cambridge are some of the most important medical institutions in the world and that the UK makes some major contributions to the medical world but those two institutions generate no where close to the same volume as all 50 US states.


Here is a map of where all of the registered clinical trials are running. Even when you combine all of Europe, the US still runs more trials.
Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov


From Christopher VanLang's answer to How much of the cost of designing and manufacturing a new drug do U.S pharmaceutical companies recover from the U.S compared to Europe or Asia?

By my own calculations, ~40% of the world's medical R&D budget is spend in the US.
For comparative years here are the numbers and percent of Global R&D.
  • 2002: 31.0 Billion 45.3%
  • 2004: 37.0 Billion 42.9%
  • 2006: 43.4 Billion 41.4%
  • 2008: 47.4 Billion 37.7%
  • 2009: 46.4 Billion 37.3%
  • 2010: 50.7 Billion 39.7%
  • 2011/2: 49.5 Billion 37.4%

Most of the hoopla about "Them Asians are catching up to the US in medical innovation" or "Those Europeans are more civilized than the fat unhealthy Americans" are actually complaining about how the impact of the US fell from 39% to 37% of the world's total output. It's like complaining that the US armed forces are losing ground.
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.

Post the federal law that prevents you from buying insurance in New York State.


Why would I buy insurance in NY? The company I worked for had employees in NY and bought a group policy in Illinois that covered employees in every state where it had operations. If you say that an individual living in any state can buy a NY medical policy, I have to accept that as true. But it is not the norm.

The point is that the obozocare replacement should allow any individual in any state to buy the best policy for him or her no matter where the insurance company is based.

What I said in my previous post is true. NY may be an exception. If you say it is, then I accept that.


The key here is each individual's state department of insurance regulation's. There is one set of rules for employer group plans and one set for individual plans. Look it up. Then the insurance companies play into the equation.


that's exactly what I said. Duh
 
That's one of the GOP's big selling points of their healthcare 'plan'.

Problem is, it's already allowed.

The Federal government does not prohibit it. Some states do.

oops.

Selling health insurance across state lines is a favorite GOP 'reform.' Here's why it makes no sense

"Selling insurance across state lines is a vacuous idea, encrusted with myths.

The most important myths are that it’s illegal today, and that it’s an alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

The truth is that it actually is legal today and specifically enabled by the Affordable Care Act. The fact that Republicans don’t seem to know this should tell you something about their understanding of healthcare policy. The fact that it hasn’t happened despite its enablement under the ACA should tell you more about about why it’s no solution to anything."


wrong. A company operating in multiple states can buy insurance for its employees in any state, an individual cannot.

the OP is typical of libspeak.

Post the federal law that prevents you from buying insurance in New York State.

This is actually comical, prove only 6% of ACA insureds use the exchanges or pound sand kid.
 
Your article notes that it is essentially illegal to sell across state lines in most of the states. You fail

So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
 
Your article notes that it is essentially illegal to sell across state lines in most of the states. You fail

So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.

Yes, and your welcome. The fact is the US leads the world in medical research and innovation. Other countries, especially those in Europe, benefit from the money spent here to advance medical care. The US is subsidizing European healthcare in a sense. You should thank us. On another note- it is much more feasible to have a universal healthcare system for a smaller population.



Referencing How much of the medical research in the world is done in the US? Sure you can say that Oxford and Cambridge are some of the most important medical institutions in the world and that the UK makes some major contributions to the medical world but those two institutions generate no where close to the same volume as all 50 US states.


Here is a map of where all of the registered clinical trials are running. Even when you combine all of Europe, the US still runs more trials.
Studies on Map - ClinicalTrials.gov


From Christopher VanLang's answer to How much of the cost of designing and manufacturing a new drug do U.S pharmaceutical companies recover from the U.S compared to Europe or Asia?

By my own calculations, ~40% of the world's medical R&D budget is spend in the US.
For comparative years here are the numbers and percent of Global R&D.
  • 2002: 31.0 Billion 45.3%
  • 2004: 37.0 Billion 42.9%
  • 2006: 43.4 Billion 41.4%
  • 2008: 47.4 Billion 37.7%
  • 2009: 46.4 Billion 37.3%
  • 2010: 50.7 Billion 39.7%
  • 2011/2: 49.5 Billion 37.4%

Most of the hoopla about "Them Asians are catching up to the US in medical innovation" or "Those Europeans are more civilized than the fat unhealthy Americans" are actually complaining about how the impact of the US fell from 39% to 37% of the world's total output. It's like complaining that the US armed forces are losing ground.
Explain to me how, you feel you are subsidising our healthcare? Last time I checked all those medicines coming from all those clinical trials are sold not given. I understand that you haven't gone through all my posts, neither would I since we are on page 22 on this OP but I have repeatedly conceded that American medical research is second to none. Last time was literally the post before this but saying that because you guys are the trendsetters, you are actually subsidising us is wrong. The only difference when it comes to how we get our meds on the global market, is that our government actually negotiate for fair prices with big pharma. one of the factors that keeps prices down. Also I want to place some caveats by your actual information. I assume the facts are correct but it's safe to assume that a lot of the high volume of American clinical trials has to do with the fact that the US is the most lucrative market for new medicine for the reason previously stated. So you actually have a point that you are subsidising something but it is not Social healthcare, it is big pharma.
 
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Your article notes that it is essentially illegal to sell across state lines in most of the states. You fail

So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
 
So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia


You pay a lot more than we do in taxes, VAT, etc. As to the quality of care, I will put the US up against any European country any day. Why do you come here when you have anything serious? Why do Canadians come south when they have major medical issues?

Socialized medicine may sound good, but it doesn't work, just like socialism in general doesn't work. NOTHING is free. That is a fact of life.
 
So if Federal government allows it, it's irrelevant.

If the Federal government forces it, then one might think that conservatives would object to the federal government interfering with the states.

Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
What percentage of your income do you normally pay in income taxes?
 
Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
What percentage of your income do you normally pay in income taxes?


wonder if you will get a truthful answer. Wonder if he even knows how much he pays.
 
Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
What percentage of your income do you normally pay in income taxes?
What does that have to do with anything? I gave you the actual number we spend on healthcare per person. That is the number we pay out of pocket plus the percentage of our taxes that go to medical care.
 
I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
What percentage of your income do you normally pay in income taxes?


wonder if you will get a truthful answer. Wonder if he even knows how much he pays.
I've never been much for holding back information, even if the info doesn't fit my story. In actual numbers it's a bit over 50 percent.
Sure my taxes are way higher than yours. On the other hand my standard of living is just as high if not higher than most Americans. I own my house, Drive a 3 year old Mercedes, my kid is going to a nice school and will be able to go to college without me having to save my entire live to allow it. We all can go to the doctor and dentist without going broke. Taxes are not a punishment, they are simply a alternative way to fund a standard of living
 
Try to keep up here. The OP's premise of a national free market insurance market being legal is a myth. There was obviously many other problems present in the law to make it unworkable. Simply saying it was okay to offer the plans, does little to make it reality. It is the federal government's interference that makes it a problem. Again it boils down to free markets and less government.

I agree. Competition brings prices down and if all insurance companies have to compete for you're dollar prices will go down.

Don't know bout you but I'm the cheapest bitch on the planet and I shop for the best I can get for the lowest price. So will everyone else. Insurance companies will have to lower prices to compete for you're dollar.
The problem with the US health care system isn't government. It's the whole idea that people's health is a tradable commodity. I'm European and I pay way less for at least comparable, if not better healthcare. Our system is government controlled and it's more efficient and cheaper. My wife is American so I can make these claims both by personal experience and researchable facts.
You're still paying for it, only you pay through taxes, not directly.
I agree,I pay half of what you guys pay on average. Hece my assertion that it is cheaper here.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia


You pay a lot more than we do in taxes, VAT, etc. As to the quality of care, I will put the US up against any European country any day. Why do you come here when you have anything serious? Why do Canadians come south when they have major medical issues?

Socialized medicine may sound good, but it doesn't work, just like socialism in general doesn't work. NOTHING is free. That is a fact of life.
As to it not working. It seems to work here, and from personal experience better than in your country.
 

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