Alzheimer's and Euthanasia, a Poll

[skye]

btw... I couldn't vote..... my answer is I don't know.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

tasty green crackers

 

[daws101]

There's a big difference between living and being alive.

When my time comes, I'd like to know that I can at least check out with dignity and on my own terms.

No one is saying that you have to get an operation if you don't want. No one is making anyone take the medication. I see this as leaving one's life in God's hands. However, being poisoned, shot in the head, drowned, having a bag placed over one's head are all forms of murder. Killing one's self is a form of playing God and trying to tell God who is boss... Allowing nature to take its course isn't.

you've never had to put a injured or sick pet down?
you've never had to kill pests roaches...etc... both of those are playing god also...

 

[daws101]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

tasty green crackers

[ame=http://youtu.be/6zAFA-hamZ0]''Soylent Green Is People'' - YouTube[/ame]

 

[asterism]

There's a big difference between living and being alive.

When my time comes, I'd like to know that I can at least check out with dignity and on my own terms.

No one is saying that you have to get an operation if you don't want. No one is making anyone take the medication. I see this as leaving one's life in God's hands. However, being poisoned, shot in the head, drowned, having a bag placed over one's head are all forms of murder. Killing one's self is a form of playing God and trying to tell God who is boss... Allowing nature to take its course isn't.

you've never had to put a injured or sick pet down?
you've never had to kill pests roaches...etc... both of those are playing god also...

Are you equating humans with pets and cockroaches?

 

[daws101]

No one is saying that you have to get an operation if you don't want. No one is making anyone take the medication. I see this as leaving one's life in God's hands. However, being poisoned, shot in the head, drowned, having a bag placed over one's head are all forms of murder. Killing one's self is a form of playing God and trying to tell God who is boss... Allowing nature to take its course isn't.

you've never had to put a injured or sick pet down?
you've never had to kill pests roaches...etc... both of those are playing god also...

Are you equating humans with pets and cockroaches?

in the context of this subject I am

 

[asterism]

you've never had to put a injured or sick pet down?
you've never had to kill pests roaches...etc... both of those are playing god also...

Are you equating humans with pets and cockroaches?

in the context of this subject I am

Without debating religion because I think our laws ought to be secular, only humans have Constitutional Rights. There's a reason for that. Humans are not pets and are not cockroaches.

 

[daws101]

Are you equating humans with pets and cockroaches?

in the context of this subject I am

Without debating religion because I think our laws ought to be secular, only humans have Constitutional Rights. There's a reason for that. Humans are not pets and are not cockroaches.

I agree that our laws should stay secular..
my point was we play god all the time....

 

[Wry Catcher]

No. I have saved for my final years in a nursing home if need be. I believe the end of my life is in God's hands. He will take me when he is good and ready.

I'd rather be dead than in a nursing home.

I'd rather be in a nursing home for ten years than cause local cops to come into my blood-spattered bathroom, throw up, and be haunted by the horrors of what they saw at the sight of a suicide. Nobody should have to clean something like that up so a family won't see it, then carry the sight of it in their mind for life. Nope. Not right. And yep. It matters.

Actually the local police don't clean up, nor does the Coroner. There are private sector businesses who do the work, once the crime scene is released. All of which can be obviated by the Oregon Law allowing Death with Dignity:

"From the act's passage through 2011, a total of 935 people have had prescriptions written and 596 patients have died from ingesting medications prescribed under the act. The average age of the 596 patients who died from ingesting medication was 71, with 80.9 percent of patients suffering from malignant neoplasms (cancer). Of the 596, 51.7% were male (48.3% female); 44.7% had a Baccalaureate degree or higher; 45.7% were married; primary end of life concerns were loss of autonomy (90.9%), inability to make life enjoyable (88.3%), and loss of dignity (82.7%)."

Quote from this link:

Oregon Ballot Measure 16 (1994) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KissMy]

Bill Maher on Pro Death

[YouTube]7QOQjejW_us[/YouTube]

 

[asterism]

in the context of this subject I am

Without debating religion because I think our laws ought to be secular, only humans have Constitutional Rights. There's a reason for that. Humans are not pets and are not cockroaches.

I agree that our laws should stay secular..
my point was we play god all the time....

I disagree. We put dogs out of their misery because they have no effective way of communicating their wishes and we don't know what they would want. Humans have other options.

 

[daws101]

Bill Maher on Pro Death

[YouTube]7QOQjejW_us[/YouTube]

he's so right!

 

[rightwinger]

Without debating religion because I think our laws ought to be secular, only humans have Constitutional Rights. There's a reason for that. Humans are not pets and are not cockroaches.

I agree that our laws should stay secular..
my point was we play god all the time....

I disagree. We put dogs out of their misery because they have no effective way of communicating their wishes and we don't know what they would want. Humans have other options.

My dog told me he wanted to die

He had a massive tumor and was mostly immobile. I took him in the backyard so that he could lay in the sun. I left for a few minutes and when I came back, he was gone. I called him and got no response. So I walked into the woods behind my house and kept calling him. I found him about 200 yards in the woods laying under a bush.
When I came up to him, he gave me the most disappointed look that I had found where he had gone.
My wife and I took him to be put to sleep that afternoon. It was quick, it was painless and he didn't suffer

 

[whitehall]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

Actually you could end your life anytime you choose "before becoming a burden on your family". The question is whether you would want someone to murder you after you became a burden on your family.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

I heard you were moving to Las Vegas to learn the casino business.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

I heard you were moving to Las Vegas to learn the casino business.

I was very specific, I directed my comments to those sound of mind; you're not. This is a serious subject for serious people on a very personal matter.

So, please, go fuck up some other thread with your stupid comments. Go find a thread where you and the other three morons can all agree with each other - how about one on Obama's place of birth or his college records, or some other absurdity.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

Actually you could end your life anytime you choose "before becoming a burden on your family". The question is whether you would want someone to murder you after you became a burden on your family.

Murder is a criminal offense. Dying with assistance and with dignity is entirely different. One would think that a Libertarian would support a patients choice. It's those who profit by keeping a dying person alive who oppose assisted suicide, and those who believe such an action is a sin. The real sin is keeping the patient alive when s/he knows they are terminal and are in pain, both physically and emotionally.

 

[Connery]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

If I no longer had the capacity to make personal decisions then I would not have the requisite ability to grant another the ability to make that decision. I would not allow others to make that decisions through contract or any document prior to that day or by any means.

Today, being of sound mind would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

While I draw a breath I have hope and a chance to live. I would never leave my son because I may not recover and should I become a burden... tough shit. I have given him my life, my heart and my soul. He would not want it any other way nor would I. He becomes sick he will never be a burden, I feel the same about me.

 

[asterism]

Of course, Alzheimer's Disease isn't the only terminal illness, but what if you someday you were stricken with this ailment and no longer had the ability to make personal decisions about your future?

Today, being of sound mind (well, I'm not speaking to CrusaderFrank, Willow Tree, Warrior or Stephanie) would you choose to end your life before becoming a burden to your family?

Actually you could end your life anytime you choose "before becoming a burden on your family". The question is whether you would want someone to murder you after you became a burden on your family.

Murder is a criminal offense. Dying with assistance and with dignity is entirely different. One would think that a Libertarian would support a patients choice. It's those who profit by keeping a dying person alive who oppose assisted suicide, and those who believe such an action is a sin. The real sin is keeping the patient alive when s/he knows they are terminal and are in pain, both physically and emotionally.

My concern is for the victims of those that profit by killing someone for profit. Advanced directives should be sufficient for your concerns.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Actually you could end your life anytime you choose "before becoming a burden on your family". The question is whether you would want someone to murder you after you became a burden on your family.

Murder is a criminal offense. Dying with assistance and with dignity is entirely different. One would think that a Libertarian would support a patients choice. It's those who profit by keeping a dying person alive who oppose assisted suicide, and those who believe such an action is a sin. The real sin is keeping the patient alive when s/he knows they are terminal and are in pain, both physically and emotionally.

My concern is for the victims of those that profit by killing someone for profit. Advanced directives should be sufficient for your concerns.

Advanced directives are far from sufficient, IMO.