Amb William Taylor, is Tramp embezzeling, its like he thinks the money

[BULLDOG]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
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He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

What we're saying is that your "evidence" isn't worth anything.
First, Professor Alan Dershowitz says the Ukraine call isn't "evidence" of wrongdoing.
Ukraine Transcript Isn't Impeachable or Criminal: Kevin McCullough with Alan Dershowitz - Townhall Review | Conservative Commentary On Today's News - Omny.fm

Second, the timeline for the "evidence" disproves any "quid-pro-quo".
Ukrainian official appears to cast doubt on quid pro quo claim

So please stop with the fake news already. There is no there there.

Deshowitz is a trained lapdog for faux. He will say what they tell him to.

The other link is a month outta date and completely irrelevant in light of the last few weeks revelations.

Try again tRumpling.

1. I'll take a Harvard law professor's opinion over anyone you have. Who do you have? I never see any major Law professors putting their reputation on the line for the democrat's list of bullshit "impeachable crimes".

2. The timeline is what is valid. There was no QPQ because the Ukraine didn't know that the funding was being delayed, duh. From the article:
"An unnamed Ukrainian official said that Kiev was not made aware that the U.S. suspended security funds until a month after President Trump's call with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky, which calls into question the whistleblower's account and Democrats' arguments that there was a quid pro quo for the aid."

Wow. A Ukrainian official, desperate for US help said what he knows Trump wants to hear. Of course, since he is unnamed, he might not even exist.

 

[progressive hunter]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

You know better than to ask me that question. Or at least you should, I'm not pro Trump, never have been. But then again individual political ideology can blind even the smartest people, pull your blinders off.
Show me real evidence not "this is how I see it" evidence, "so and so told me" (second hand, not admissible in court) evidence, etc.

Testifying to the words said to him is not second hand, and since when has second hand information not been acceptable in court? Having a boxed set of all the old Perry Mason shows on VHS is not the same as actually knowing the rules of the court.

thats exactly what 2nd hand info is,,,
since the beginning of this country 2nd hand info is seldom considered in court and most time thrown out as hear say,,,,

you clearly are not qualified to discuss this issue,,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

Biden you say: read this,

KYIV – Ukraine’s Georgian-born Deputy Prosecutor General David Sakvarelidze was suddenly relieved of his duties on Tuesday by his superior, Viktor Shokin, just hours before Shokin was himself voted out of office by Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.

Shokin’s decision to dismiss Sakvarelidze has been widely panned by the Ukrainian media and the country’s Western-leaning reformist politicians who accuse Shokin of political grandstanding at a time when his much-maligned tenure as the country’s chief law enforcement official appeared to be at an end.

International observers - including top US and European officials - have sharply criticized the decision, saying the move is a major blow to the clean government reforms that Kyiv has struggled to implement since the 2013-14 Maidan Revolution ousted former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.



Frustration from Key Allies
The sharper tone from Shokin’s critics comes amid a growing chorus of frustration from Ukrainian and European officials who have in recent months accused Shokin of intentionally sabotaging anti-graft investigations and the prosecution of those responsible for the deliberate killing of more than 100 Maidan protestors by Yanukovych’s Berkut riot police in January-February 2014.

During a December 2015 visit to Kyiv, US Vice President Joe Biden said corruption emanating from the prosecutor general’s office was eating away at Ukraine’s key reform attempts “like a cancer.”

Foreign creditors have long complained about high-level corruption in the prosecutor’s office, a Soviet relic that provides unprecedented power to one individual over the country’s court and prosecution system.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) Director Christine Lagarde reiterated their frustrations in February when she said that the lack of progress in fighting government corruption in Ukraine meant that the IMF might be forced to halt the support program that has kept the country afloat for the last two years


The corrosive influence Shokin exerted on Ukraine’s judicial process has been blamed by top Ukrainian officials, including Sakvarelidze and former Georgian President-turned Odessa Governor Mikheil Saakashvili, as having played a major role in derailing the government’s reform efforts; most of which have been hobbled by bureaucratic infighting and blatant power grabs by Ukraine’s Moscow-backed oligarchs, whose business interests are closely tied to Shokin’s.

Shokin’s own subordinates have been linked to several cases involving stolen funds donated by Western lenders and earmarked for the implementation of reformist policies and privatization projects.

In one high profile case, huge sums of cash and a trove of diamonds were found alongside personal documents with Shokin’s signature in the homes of two of his top lieutenants, indicating that they had taken bribes with Shokin’s blessing.

When a prosecutor in Shokin’s office attempted to bring the case to trial, members of the staff with either fired or forced to resign.

Georgian-born Sakvarelidze Sacked by Ukraine’s Disgraced Prosecutor General
---------------------------------------------
take that and shove it, apology would be accepted. LOL

that shows more guilt on bidens side than anything when you consider the rest of the info we know about,,,

 

[peach174]

Steve Scalise compares Schiff's secret hearings to the Soviet Union

Secret hearings?

You and Scalise should read up on how impeachment inquiries are conducted.

There were nearly two years of closed hearings during watergate.

Don't be so easily led by dopey rhetoric.

They voted on it first so each side had equal council.

What does that even mean?

It means no railroading like they are doing.
One sided only ,never goes over well with the people.

 

[Penelope]

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

Biden you say: read this,

KYIV – Ukraine’s Georgian-born Deputy Prosecutor General David Sakvarelidze was suddenly relieved of his duties on Tuesday by his superior, Viktor Shokin, just hours before Shokin was himself voted out of office by Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.

Shokin’s decision to dismiss Sakvarelidze has been widely panned by the Ukrainian media and the country’s Western-leaning reformist politicians who accuse Shokin of political grandstanding at a time when his much-maligned tenure as the country’s chief law enforcement official appeared to be at an end.

International observers - including top US and European officials - have sharply criticized the decision, saying the move is a major blow to the clean government reforms that Kyiv has struggled to implement since the 2013-14 Maidan Revolution ousted former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.



Frustration from Key Allies
The sharper tone from Shokin’s critics comes amid a growing chorus of frustration from Ukrainian and European officials who have in recent months accused Shokin of intentionally sabotaging anti-graft investigations and the prosecution of those responsible for the deliberate killing of more than 100 Maidan protestors by Yanukovych’s Berkut riot police in January-February 2014.

During a December 2015 visit to Kyiv, US Vice President Joe Biden said corruption emanating from the prosecutor general’s office was eating away at Ukraine’s key reform attempts “like a cancer.”

Foreign creditors have long complained about high-level corruption in the prosecutor’s office, a Soviet relic that provides unprecedented power to one individual over the country’s court and prosecution system.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) Director Christine Lagarde reiterated their frustrations in February when she said that the lack of progress in fighting government corruption in Ukraine meant that the IMF might be forced to halt the support program that has kept the country afloat for the last two years


The corrosive influence Shokin exerted on Ukraine’s judicial process has been blamed by top Ukrainian officials, including Sakvarelidze and former Georgian President-turned Odessa Governor Mikheil Saakashvili, as having played a major role in derailing the government’s reform efforts; most of which have been hobbled by bureaucratic infighting and blatant power grabs by Ukraine’s Moscow-backed oligarchs, whose business interests are closely tied to Shokin’s.

Shokin’s own subordinates have been linked to several cases involving stolen funds donated by Western lenders and earmarked for the implementation of reformist policies and privatization projects.

In one high profile case, huge sums of cash and a trove of diamonds were found alongside personal documents with Shokin’s signature in the homes of two of his top lieutenants, indicating that they had taken bribes with Shokin’s blessing.

When a prosecutor in Shokin’s office attempted to bring the case to trial, members of the staff with either fired or forced to resign.

Georgian-born Sakvarelidze Sacked by Ukraine’s Disgraced Prosecutor General
---------------------------------------------
take that and shove it, apology would be accepted. LOL

that shows more guilt on bidens side than anything when you consider the rest of the info we know about,,,

Apparently you can't read.

 

[Penelope]

Amb William Taylor went to Harvard, and also knew the aid was held up, I'm sure Pres. Z was aware as well.

 

[progressive hunter]

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

Biden you say: read this,

KYIV – Ukraine’s Georgian-born Deputy Prosecutor General David Sakvarelidze was suddenly relieved of his duties on Tuesday by his superior, Viktor Shokin, just hours before Shokin was himself voted out of office by Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.

Shokin’s decision to dismiss Sakvarelidze has been widely panned by the Ukrainian media and the country’s Western-leaning reformist politicians who accuse Shokin of political grandstanding at a time when his much-maligned tenure as the country’s chief law enforcement official appeared to be at an end.

International observers - including top US and European officials - have sharply criticized the decision, saying the move is a major blow to the clean government reforms that Kyiv has struggled to implement since the 2013-14 Maidan Revolution ousted former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.



Frustration from Key Allies
The sharper tone from Shokin’s critics comes amid a growing chorus of frustration from Ukrainian and European officials who have in recent months accused Shokin of intentionally sabotaging anti-graft investigations and the prosecution of those responsible for the deliberate killing of more than 100 Maidan protestors by Yanukovych’s Berkut riot police in January-February 2014.

During a December 2015 visit to Kyiv, US Vice President Joe Biden said corruption emanating from the prosecutor general’s office was eating away at Ukraine’s key reform attempts “like a cancer.”

Foreign creditors have long complained about high-level corruption in the prosecutor’s office, a Soviet relic that provides unprecedented power to one individual over the country’s court and prosecution system.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) Director Christine Lagarde reiterated their frustrations in February when she said that the lack of progress in fighting government corruption in Ukraine meant that the IMF might be forced to halt the support program that has kept the country afloat for the last two years


The corrosive influence Shokin exerted on Ukraine’s judicial process has been blamed by top Ukrainian officials, including Sakvarelidze and former Georgian President-turned Odessa Governor Mikheil Saakashvili, as having played a major role in derailing the government’s reform efforts; most of which have been hobbled by bureaucratic infighting and blatant power grabs by Ukraine’s Moscow-backed oligarchs, whose business interests are closely tied to Shokin’s.

Shokin’s own subordinates have been linked to several cases involving stolen funds donated by Western lenders and earmarked for the implementation of reformist policies and privatization projects.

In one high profile case, huge sums of cash and a trove of diamonds were found alongside personal documents with Shokin’s signature in the homes of two of his top lieutenants, indicating that they had taken bribes with Shokin’s blessing.

When a prosecutor in Shokin’s office attempted to bring the case to trial, members of the staff with either fired or forced to resign.

Georgian-born Sakvarelidze Sacked by Ukraine’s Disgraced Prosecutor General
---------------------------------------------
take that and shove it, apology would be accepted. LOL

that shows more guilt on bidens side than anything when you consider the rest of the info we know about,,,

Apparently you can't read.

I dont limit what I read to only people that agree with me,,,since you are going on limited information you dont know shit,,,

 

[BULLDOG]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

Yeah, I read his 15 page opening statement.

It's pretty damning. Added to the texts and the other testimony in any regular criminal trial it would be a slam-dunk on tRump with a side perjury for Sondham.

Obviously you have no clue how a court of law works but that's true of 99.9 percent of the people on this board.
Number one: It has to be illegal. So it has to be determined if the activity breaks any laws. It has to be determined by attorneys and the courts excluding the court of public opinion.

Number two: If the action is declared illegal a real attorney would never attempt to prosecute on such truly flimsy evidence, most of it second hand with a high probability of built in bias.

Abusing the office for personal gain is illegal.

Sworn testimony is not "flimsy evidence", nor is the call summary, nor a tRumps own actions and admissions.

The only thing that's flimsy here is your excuse making.

Oh and your claim that "Abusing the office for personal gain is illegal" must also be provable in a court of law, not the court of public opinion for it to be illegal, so far from what I've seen it's currently only a court of public opinion ruling.
Sworn evidence, if it's second hand or lacks any concrete, substantial, corroborative evidence is considered in a court of law to be flimsy.
I'm addressing how courts and law work, not whether Trump is guilty or not.

Any evidence, without some sort of corroboration is considered to be flimsy.. Lots of people have been sent away for life on second hand evidence.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It is? Show the statute.

And I'm referring specifically to this instance and it's possible REAL application to criminal law considering nothing of value was actually exchanged.

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

Yes. For personal political gain, dope.
Self dealing.

Oh that's right, you believe that politicians, especially those that represent your ideology are above "politics......."
You live in a fantasy world but as long as you're happy.......
Just for the self deceptional, I put politics in quotation marks to represent all that encompasses that field of endeavor....... ALL........

Self dealing is misconduct. Impeachable conduct, dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

Then why was he working for a well known corrupt Oil and Gas company and got hired for a job he knew nothing about?
Why did he say no one knew about oil and gas?
CEO's all hired to an oil &gas company that knew nothing about oil and gas.

Because they offered him a lucrative job?

You're operating under the false assumption that Biden was acting for his son rather than for the administration.

Do you honestly believe a VP could act without the consent of the administration?

he could be doing both,, while one is legal the other not so much,,,

Sure, dope.
You could use your brain as well. But you don't.

 

[progressive hunter]

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

Then why was he working for a well known corrupt Oil and Gas company and got hired for a job he knew nothing about?
Why did he say no one knew about oil and gas?
CEO's all hired to an oil &gas company that knew nothing about oil and gas.

Because they offered him a lucrative job?

You're operating under the false assumption that Biden was acting for his son rather than for the administration.

Do you honestly believe a VP could act without the consent of the administration?

he could be doing both,, while one is legal the other not so much,,,

Sure, dope.
You could use your brain as well. But you don't.

sounds like youre the one not using your brain since most humans are capable of doing 2 things at the same time

 

[Ringel05]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

Yeah, I read his 15 page opening statement.

It's pretty damning. Added to the texts and the other testimony in any regular criminal trial it would be a slam-dunk on tRump with a side perjury for Sondham.

Obviously you have no clue how a court of law works but that's true of 99.9 percent of the people on this board.
Number one: It has to be illegal. So it has to be determined if the activity breaks any laws. It has to be determined by attorneys and the courts excluding the court of public opinion.

Number two: If the action is declared illegal a real attorney would never attempt to prosecute on such truly flimsy evidence, most of it second hand with a high probability of built in bias.

Abusing the office for personal gain is illegal.

Sworn testimony is not "flimsy evidence", nor is the call summary, nor a tRumps own actions and admissions.

The only thing that's flimsy here is your excuse making.

Oh and your claim that "Abusing the office for personal gain is illegal" must also be provable in a court of law, not the court of public opinion for it to be illegal, so far from what I've seen it's currently only a court of public opinion ruling.
Sworn evidence, if it's second hand or lacks any concrete, substantial, corroborative evidence is considered in a court of law to be flimsy.
I'm addressing how courts and law work, not whether Trump is guilty or not.

Any evidence, without some sort of corroboration is considered to be flimsy.. Lots of people have been sent away for life on second hand evidence.

This is true but only when admissible under specific conditions. It's also one of the primary reasons for so many appeals in those circumstances, appeals that are frequently won.

 

[Ringel05]

And I'm referring specifically to this instance and it's possible REAL application to criminal law considering nothing of value was actually exchanged.

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

Yes. For personal political gain, dope.
Self dealing.

Oh that's right, you believe that politicians, especially those that represent your ideology are above "politics......."
You live in a fantasy world but as long as you're happy.......
Just for the self deceptional, I put politics in quotation marks to represent all that encompasses that field of endeavor....... ALL........

Self dealing is misconduct. Impeachable conduct, dope.

Never said it wasn't but then again I never said it was....... Hack.

 

[BULLDOG]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

You know better than to ask me that question. Or at least you should, I'm not pro Trump, never have been. But then again individual political ideology can blind even the smartest people, pull your blinders off.
Show me real evidence not "this is how I see it" evidence, "so and so told me" (second hand, not admissible in court) evidence, etc.

Testifying to the words said to him is not second hand, and since when has second hand information not been acceptable in court? Having a boxed set of all the old Perry Mason shows on VHS is not the same as actually knowing the rules of the court.

Having spent many years in a modern court (as law enforcement on the side of the prosecution) it's rarely admitted without convincing, persuasive, corroborating evidence. Oh and the "etc" was my catch all..........

Having spent more time than I should have in modern court, any evidence is rarely admitted without convincing corroborative evidence. You've gotta show why any evidence is believable, no matter what form it might take.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

Embezzlement now. You fucking people at goobers.

 

[The Original Tree]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

LOL.

Ok Putin, you sure you used to Run The KGB?

 

[The Original Tree]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

$40 Million Mad Moscow Mueller Report called Clinton, Obama and You all Liars and Russian Assets yourself.

 

[Ringel05]

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

You know better than to ask me that question. Or at least you should, I'm not pro Trump, never have been. But then again individual political ideology can blind even the smartest people, pull your blinders off.
Show me real evidence not "this is how I see it" evidence, "so and so told me" (second hand, not admissible in court) evidence, etc.

Testifying to the words said to him is not second hand, and since when has second hand information not been acceptable in court? Having a boxed set of all the old Perry Mason shows on VHS is not the same as actually knowing the rules of the court.

Having spent many years in a modern court (as law enforcement on the side of the prosecution) it's rarely admitted without convincing, persuasive, corroborating evidence. Oh and the "etc" was my catch all..........

Having spent more time than I should have in modern court, any evidence is rarely admitted without convincing corroborative evidence. You've gotta show why any evidence is believable, no matter what form it might take.

This is true but your problem in this instance is the supposed corroborating evidence appears to be interpretive as opposed to concrete as is evidenced on this board with one side claiming it's a slam dunk and the other side claiming it's bull shit.
Personally I suspect it's like the Clinton impeachment, 99.9% political. That's based on quite a few facts not the least of which is that the election of Trump heavily disrupted not only the political status quo, it stopped the progressives march dead in it's tracks towards their desired socio-political goals. If you understand human nature then you understand the backlash and all that encompasses.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Steve Scalise compares Schiff's secret hearings to the Soviet Union

Secret hearings?

You and Scalise should read up on how impeachment inquiries are conducted.

There were nearly two years of closed hearings during watergate.

Don't be so easily led by dopey rhetoric.

They voted on it first so each side had equal council.

What does that even mean?

It means no railroading like they are doing.
One sided only ,never goes over well with the people.

It's not one sided, dope. Every investigating committee has equal numbers of Dems and Reps.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

Yes. For personal political gain, dope.
Self dealing.

Oh that's right, you believe that politicians, especially those that represent your ideology are above "politics......."
You live in a fantasy world but as long as you're happy.......
Just for the self deceptional, I put politics in quotation marks to represent all that encompasses that field of endeavor....... ALL........

Self dealing is misconduct. Impeachable conduct, dope.

Never said it wasn't but then again I never said it was....... Hack.

You don't seem to know what you're saying.