America's Christian Heritage

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America's Christian Heritage 240310 {post•232} ding Mar’25 Sachyz: “Jefferson Memorial” “Inscribed on the walls is Jefferson ’s warning: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? dvng 240320 Sachyz00232

America Was Built on Natural Law 161212 {post•1} ding Dec’16 Sawbon referring to our founders: They believed that societies should be governed, as Jefferson put it, by “the moral law to which man has been subjected by his Creator, and of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him. Law. •¥• The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature accompany them into a state of society,… their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation.” (Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 3:228) Law. •¥¥• dvng 161212 Sawbon00001



America's Christian Heritage 240312 {post•232} The American Revolutionary War and the Constitutional Convention at Philadelphia Decade was a historic mankind changing event.

In his post Sawbon00001 Saint Ding states truth with awareness that the American 1776 Decade was not a Christian Cross of Christ events

In his post Sachyz00232 Saint Ding states an untruth that Thomas Jefferson is part of our American Christian Heritage, That is not an insignificant lie. It is a propagandistic Distortion of critical historical fact. It feeds the white Christian nationalist lie that America was founded as a Christian nation in some special compact with God. A revealed religion god.

Jefferson said “feelings, or conscience … are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him. Law.” Jefferson dud not accept Biblical Revelation to be the Word of God; he wax I no way a Cross of Christ worshipping Christian.

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Jefferson ’s warning:

Jefferson: His eternal friendship with Jesus, the man wrote:

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity.

What has been the effect of coercion?

To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.”

– Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), from Notes on the State of Virginia (1787)




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Saint thing is in favor of state government coercion

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Where as words prove little-- action proves it all

100,000,000 dead Indians-- enslaved black people for profit,etc, burned women for the usage of herbs to heal= called them witches=100% not christian

There were at most a couple million Injuns. Their primitive hunter/gatherer cultures couldn't sustain a hundred million. And their savagery culled the herd

 

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Example #31 of America's Christian Heritage

Thomas Jefferson – 3rd President, wrote in 1805
A national prayer by Jefferson, "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage: we humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those to whom in Thy Name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen."

 

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Example #32 of America's Christian Heritage

Patrick Henry
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that his great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

 

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Thomas Jefferson – 3rd President, wrote in 1805 A national prayer by Jefferson, "Almighty God,

Liar! Saint Ding is a white Christian nationalist liar:

National Prayer for Peace (Spurious Quotations) “We have no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson. It appears in the 1928 United States Book of Common Prayer, and was first suggested for inclusion in a report published in 1919.”

If you want to stop lying for white Christian nationalist propaganda Saint Ding, in the future go to National Prayer for Peace (Spurious Quotations) and Jefferson will speak directly to you but he will not pray for you.

 

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when asked to recommend a national day of fasting and prayer, TJ replied, "I consider the government of the US. as interdicted by the constitution from intermedling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises."

Thomas Jefferson – 3rd President, wrote in 1805
A national prayer by Jefferson, "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage: we humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will.

Liar. Jefferson never wrote nor spoke that hocus pocus nonsense as he viewed it.

National Prayer for Peace (Spurious Quotations) Ultimately, it seems unlikely that Jefferson would have composed or delivered a public prayer of this sort. He considered religion a private matter, and when asked to recommend a national day of fasting and prayer, replied, "I consider the government of the US. as interdicted by the constitution from intermedling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises."[3]

Further Sources​

• Fake History. "Thomas Jefferson and a Prayer for Peace."
• Sheridan, Eugene R. Jefferson's Religion. Charlottesville: Thomas Jefferson Foundation, 1998.

 

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Example #33 of America's Christian Heritage

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
Member of the Continental Congress
Author of the Declaration of Independance
3rd President of the United States of America

In a letter to Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816, Thomas Jefferson wrote regarding his book, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth:

Cited by William J. Federer, America's God and County Encyclopedia of Quotations,(Amerisearch, Inc., St. Louis, Mo, 2000), page 331

 

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Example #33 of America's Christian Heritage

You are still a liar St Ding. And you refuse to repent of a great sin - bearing false witness

ding Mar’24 Sachyz inserted without a link to a source that T.J. “wrote these words in a prayer to Almighty God: "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage” dvng 240313 Sachyz00324

You posted that same thing Saint Ding.

Do you have any idea what Jefferson meant by “Rational Christianity”

 

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Example #34 of America's Christian Heritage

While he was dying, Patrick Henry spoke these words

Cited by William J. Federer, America's God and County Encyclopedia of Quotations,(Amerisearch, Inc., St. Louis, Mo, 2000), page 290

 

[hobelim]

There were at most a couple million Injuns. Their primitive hunter/gatherer cultures couldn't sustain a hundred million. And their savagery culled the herd

What an ass!

hu ihepeya wicayapo!

 

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Example #35 of America's Christian Heritage

George Mason (1725-1792)
Famous Revolutionary statesman
Is called the “Father of the Bill of Rights” i.e. the 1st ten amendments to the U S Constitution

Cited by William J. Federer, America's God and County Encyclopedia of Quotations,(Amerisearch, Inc., St. Louis, Mo, 2000), page 423

 

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a couple million

…., unchosen by GOD savages you say

Heartbeat act fails in Nebraska 230427 {post•9} CarlinAnnArbor Apr’23 Shafin asks: “Do you believe the baby in the womb is a HUMAN LIFE?” crlnnnbr 230427 Shafin00009

America's Christian Heritage 240310 {post•333}

In reply to Shafin00009 Yes a fetus in a womb is a human life that has a 50/50 shot at surviving natural abortion after miscarriage for about twenty weeks of gestation.

Do you think the couple million “injuns” who had met a live birth requirement prior to and subsequent to the arrival of the English white Christian Supremacists at Plymouth Rock and Jamestown settlements Saint CarlinAnnArbor, were human?

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Example #36 of America's Christian Heritage

Peter Muhlenberg (1746-1807)
Pastor and son of a famous Lutheran minister Henry Muhlenberg
Known as “The Fighting Parson”

Cited by William J. Federer, America's God and County Encyclopedia of Quotations,(Amerisearch, Inc., St. Louis, Mo, 2000), page 460

 

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couple million Injuns

George Mason (1725-1792)

Yes Saint Ding George Mason was a white Christian Nationalist who in all his almighty glory wanted his chosen white English Cross of Christ worshipping settlers to drive the “couple million injuns” as Saint CarlinAnnArbor put it, off the heritage of sacred lands they lived on for tens of thousands of years

They posed no threat to God’s chosen people, But the settlers like George Mason wanted to teach them about the love of Jesus being better for them or die.

 

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Example #37 of America's Christian Heritage

On October 20, 1779, the Continental Congress asked the states to set “apart the second Thursday in December next, as a day of general thanksgiving.” This request issued by Congress to the thirteen American states was the eighth spiritual proclamation of sixteen calling the states to fast, pray and give thanks to God. Beginning in 1775, the Continental Congress issued nearly two spiritual proclamations a year until 1783—throughout the years of the American Revolution. In the spring, usually a proclamation was issued by Congress asking the states to fast and pray. In the fall, proclamations were issued requesting the states to pray and give thanks. Congress issued the proclamations to the states, and—as demonstrated by Thomas Jefferson, governor of Virginia in 1779—respective states were asked to observe the proclamations by requesting that their citizens cease from normal labor on the designated day.

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789, 34 vols. (Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1904-1937), 15:1191-1193.

 

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George Mason (1725-1792)

The question Christian toleration vs inalienable right to freedom of conscience

I’ve heard the claim by WCNs that America was founded as a Christian Nation that is “tolerant@ of all other beliefs MORE WCN bullshut propaganda.


George Mason's Pursuit of Religious Liberty in Revolutionary Virginia - George Mason's Gunston Hall To be sure, Mason’s proposal went further than any previous declaration in force in Virginia. However, it did not go far enough to satisfy Madison. As early as 1774, Madison had come to think of religious toleration (the ultimate objective of most reformers of his day) as only the halfway point on the road to religious liberty. He eventually concluded that religious toleration – granted either by the civil state of by a religious authority – was inconsistent with freedom of conscience and was a woefully inadequate objective.

Historically speaking, religious toleration is to be contrasted with religious liberty. The former often assumes an established church and is always a revocable grant of the civil state rather than a natural, unalienable right. In Madison’s mind, the right of religious exercise was too important to be cast in the form of a mere privilege allowed by the ruling civil polity and enjoyed as a grant of governmental benevolence. Rather, he viewed religious liberty as a natural and unalienable right, possessed equally by all citizens, which must be beyond the reach of civil magistrates.

Madison’s proposed revisions to Article XVI punctuated his aversion to the concept of toleration with a natural rights argument that all mena are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion. It is not certain when Madison offered his amendments; however, they followed the Committee revision of 27 May. He first suggested the following alternative:

 

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Example #37 of America's Christian Heritage

Saint Ding / you lied:

America's Christian Heritage 240313 {post•324} ding Mar’24 Sachyz inserted without a link to a source that T.J. “wrote these words in a prayer to Almighty God: "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage” dvng 240313 Sachyz00324

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Do you know what heritage means?

Do you know what "no religious test" means?

 

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Example #38 of America's Christian Heritage

On November 11, 1779, Governor Thomas Jefferson complied with the request from Congress and issued a proclamation to the state of Virginia, calling for a day of thanksgiving and prayer for December 9, 1779—the date established by Congress. The proclamation read…

Proclamation Appointing a Day of Thanksgiving and Prayer

Whereas the Honorable the General Congress, impressed with a grateful sense of the goodness of Almighty God, in blessing the greater part of this extensive continent with plentiful harvests, crowning our arms with repeated successes, conducting us hitherto safely through the perils with which we have been encompassed and manifesting in multiplied instances his divine care of these infant states, hath thought proper by their act of the 20th day of October last, to recommend to the several states that Thursday the 9th of December next be appointed a day of public and solemn thanksgiving and prayer, which act is in these words, to wit.

“Whereas it becomes us humbly to approach the throne of Almighty God, with gratitude and praise, for the wonders which his goodness has wrought in conducting our forefathers to this western world; for his protection to them and to their posterity, amidst difficulties and dangers; for raising us their children from deep distress, to be numbered among the nations of the earth; and for arming the hands of just and mighty Princes in our deliverance; and especially for that he hath been pleased to grant us the enjoyment of health and so to order the revolving seasons, that the earth hath produced her increase in abundance, blessing the labors of the husbandman, and spreading plenty through the land; that he hath prospered our arms and those of our ally, been a shield to our troops in the hour of danger, pointed their swords to victory, and led them in triumph over the bulwarks of the foe; that he hath gone with those who went out into the wilderness against the savage tribes; that he hath stayed the hand of the spoiler, and turned back his meditated destruction; that he hath prospered our commerce, and given success to those who sought the enemy on the face of the deep; and above all, that he hath diffused the glorious light of the gospel, whereby, through the merits of our gracious Redeemer, we may become the heirs of his eternal glory. Therefore,

Resolved, that it be recommended to the several states to appoint THURSDAY the 9th of December next, to be a day of public and solemn THANKSGIVING to Almighty God, for his mercies, and of PRAYER, for the continuance of his favor and protection to these United States; to beseech him that he would be graciously pleased to influence our public Councils, and bless them with wisdom from on high, with unanimity, firmness and success; that he would go forth with our hosts and crown our arms with victory; that he would grant to his church, the plentiful effusions of divine grace, and pour out his holy spirit on all Ministers of the gospel; that he would bless and prosper the means of education, and spread the light of Christian knowledge through the remotest corners of the earth; that he would smile upon the labors of his people, and cause the earth to bring forth her fruits in abundance, that we may with gratitude and gladness enjoy them; that he would take into his holy protection, our illustrious ally, give him victory over his enemies, and render him finally great, as the father of his people, and the protector of the rights of mankind; that he would graciously be pleased to turn the hearts of our enemies, and to dispense the blessings of peace to contending nations.

That he would in mercy look down upon us, pardon all our sins, and receive us into his favor; and finally, that he would establish the independence of these United States upon the basis of religion and virtue, and support and protect them in the enjoyment of peace, liberty and safety.”

I do therefore by authority from the General Assembly issue this my proclamation, hereby appointing Thursday the 9th day of December next, a day of public and solemn thanksgiving and prayer to Almighty God, earnestly recommending to all the good people of this commonwealth, to set apart the said day for those purposes, and to the several Ministers of religion to meet their respective societies thereon, to assist them in their prayers, edify them with their discourses, and generally to perform the sacred duties of their function, proper for the occasion.

Given under my hand and the seal of the commonwealth, at Williamsburg, this 11th day of November, in the year of our Lord, 1779, and in the fourth of the commonwealth.

THOMAS JEFFERSON

Thomas Jefferson, "Proclamation Appointing a Day of Thanksgiving and Prayer, 11 November 1779," National Archives: Founders Online, October 7, 2020