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Only none of those bad things ever happened because of AA. You want to imagine but you have an overly wild imagination.Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
Man can be perfected by controlling every aspect of his life? Who thinks that weirdo?Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
I love how you compare mao moving people to farms with us letting a small % of blacks into medical school despite the fact that some whites scored higher.Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
...Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
And I love how you think blacks who benefit from AA can't handle the job and find themselves in over their heads.
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Man can be perfected by controlling every aspect of his life? Who thinks that weirdo?Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
Who the fuck knows what you said. LOL...Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
And I love how you think blacks who benefit from AA can't handle the job and find themselves in over their heads.
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I never said that. Stop being a dishonest piece of shit just because you can't keep up.
...Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?If I (a liberal) were in charge only diverse companies would get contracts.
There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
And I love how you think blacks who benefit from AA can't handle the job and find themselves in over their heads.
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I never said that. Stop being a dishonest piece of shit just because you can't keep up.
Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Who the fuck knows what you said. LOL...Please explain. Start the conversation. Where how what am I wrong?There's one of the many reasons you are not and never will be.
Some people have no sense of history.
Anyone with a sense of history will recognize the predictable outcome when a would-be intelligentsia presumes to meddle as if they could construct some 'master plan' for human nature. From the fools of the Russian Revolution to the immoral idiot Woodrow Wilson and every other far-left ass who buys into the false notion that man can be perfected by controlling every variable of his life and placing him in a 'perfect' environment, the hubris that underlies the extreme left always leads to failure, disaster and death. During the Great Leap Forward, Mao wrought millions of deaths because he "knew" educated urban professionals, and the country as a whole, would benefit from their being relocated to farms. More recently in the US, students who would not otherwise be accepted to prestigious universities but for some artificial advancement based on an imposed categorization and associated assumptions all too often waste years of their lives and many resources whereas in a more appropriate setting they might have found success. Imagine a thriving private company located somewhere in the Midwest brought to ruin because, regardless of available and qualified candidates, it did not meet a quota of exactly the demands of some idiotic asshole who thought the circular reality of business should be forced into the square whole of 'knowing better.' There is a difference between criminalizing overt discrimination in hiring, and imposing some asinine form of central planning that is doomed to fail and drag down countless people with it.
And I love how you think blacks who benefit from AA can't handle the job and find themselves in over their heads.
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I never said that. Stop being a dishonest piece of shit just because you can't keep up.
When you never make sense we have to try our best to translate your bullshit.
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
Black people should have voted. Same if Republicans make abortion illegal. Pro choice people can't say they weren't warned. Elections have consequences.
I will think Republicans are big fat pussies if they don't end AA. All talk. I don't even know why we are debating the election is over. Just end it.
But don't try to sell us on it. We don't like it. Still it's your call.
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
Black people should have voted. Same if Republicans make abortion illegal. Pro choice people can't say they weren't warned. Elections have consequences.
I will think Republicans are big fat pussies if they don't end AA. All talk. I don't even know why we are debating the election is over. Just end it.
But don't try to sell us on it. We don't like it. Still it's your call.
Why do you assume if the results are unequal it's automatically due to unequal treatment? Do you what football games and if the scored isn't a tie at the end assume that the losing team was treated unfairly by the referees?
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
Black people should have voted. Same if Republicans make abortion illegal. Pro choice people can't say they weren't warned. Elections have consequences.
I will think Republicans are big fat pussies if they don't end AA. All talk. I don't even know why we are debating the election is over. Just end it.
But don't try to sell us on it. We don't like it. Still it's your call.
Why do you assume if the results are unequal it's automatically due to unequal treatment? Do you what football games and if the scored isn't a tie at the end assume that the losing team was treated unfairly by the referees?
I don't know why. Maybe facts, history, logic, statistics and knowing how white people think and act has something to do with my conclusion.
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They do? They waste years of their lives? Where are you getting this information from?
...... Do you have proof of this or is this just a hunch you have about black people? Fucking racist.
I think the blacks that got into Harvard because of AA thrive and that bothers you. ......
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
Black people should have voted. Same if Republicans make abortion illegal. Pro choice people can't say they weren't warned. Elections have consequences.
I will think Republicans are big fat pussies if they don't end AA. All talk. I don't even know why we are debating the election is over. Just end it.
But don't try to sell us on it. We don't like it. Still it's your call.
Why do you assume if the results are unequal it's automatically due to unequal treatment? Do you what football games and if the scored isn't a tie at the end assume that the losing team was treated unfairly by the referees?
I don't know why. Maybe facts, history, logic, statistics and knowing how white people think and act has something to do with my conclusion.
In other words, you ASSume so because it's what you WANT to believe and it makes it easier than looking at the truth. You don't have a conclusion. You're pushing the something must be wrong if certain groups don't get the same results as others.
My biggest problem with ending AA is that white hiring managers all across America will stop hiring blacks. But I guess since Republicans don't like AA and they won the White House House and Senate and they control the Supreme Court I have absolutely no problem with them ending AA and then we will see in 4 years if ending the program negatively affects black people.My biggest problem with AA is that it uses something to benefit, when it comes to race, what would be chastised by the very ones that support the concept if race was used to deny.
Black people should have voted. Same if Republicans make abortion illegal. Pro choice people can't say they weren't warned. Elections have consequences.
I will think Republicans are big fat pussies if they don't end AA. All talk. I don't even know why we are debating the election is over. Just end it.
But don't try to sell us on it. We don't like it. Still it's your call.
Why do you assume if the results are unequal it's automatically due to unequal treatment? Do you what football games and if the scored isn't a tie at the end assume that the losing team was treated unfairly by the referees?
I don't know why. Maybe facts, history, logic, statistics and knowing how white people think and act has something to do with my conclusion.
In other words, you ASSume so because it's what you WANT to believe and it makes it easier than looking at the truth. You don't have a conclusion. You're pushing the something must be wrong if certain groups don't get the same results as others.
No, there have been dozens if not hundreds of studies and it's a fact that whites have been racist towards blacks. The Kerner Commission is a good example. White people didn't let that information out because Johnson didn't want whites to feel bad that they were found to be at fault and to blame for the conditions blacks find themselves in.
One of my right wing buddies still hasn't answered my question. Maybe you will. Do you think AA was needed but is no longer needed or do you think AA was never needed?
How insulting and what nonsense.....
They do? They waste years of their lives? Where are you getting this information from?
...... Do you have proof of this or is this just a hunch you have about black people? Fucking racist.
I think the blacks that got into Harvard because of AA thrive and that bothers you. ......
Typical leftist who doesn't care what the real consequences of arrogantly ignorant ideas may be. If it flatters a leftist's delusions, the hell with what happens to real people.
"The single biggest problem in this system -- a problem documented by a vast and growing array of research -- is the tendency of large preferences to boomerang and harm their intended beneficiaries. Large preferences often place students in environments where they can neither learn nor compete effectively -- even though these same students would thrive had they gone to less competitive but still quite good schools.
The student who would flourish at, say, Wake Forest, instead finds himself at Duke, where the professors are not teaching at a pace designed for him.
We refer to this problem as "mismatch," a word that largely explains why, even though blacks are more likely to enter college than are whites with similar backgrounds, they will usually get much lower grades, rank toward the bottom of the class, and far more often drop out. Because of mismatch, racial preference policies often stigmatize minorities, reinforce pernicious stereotypes, and undermine the self-confidence of beneficiaries, rather than creating the diverse racial utopias so often advertised in college campus brochures."
The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action
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So it was a good idea but you [sic] say it's "lost its way". .....
