An example of how much we don't know regarding this Planet...

[mal]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

 

[editec]

Looks more like an example of how willing TIME Magazine is willing to pander to our FEAR.

Or is TIME a scientific journal I didn't know about?

 

[westwall]

That's all you ever see or hear anymore. Watch NatGeo or the various science channels or virtually ANY science program on PBS and it is nothing but fear mongering. I was watching an episode of "How the Earth was Made" or something to that effect and the hosts were breathlessly talking about how Hawaii could possibly collapse and send a wall of water all the way to Los Angeles and wipe it out by gosh!

The level of bad science that was on display in that one show was astonishing. Sadly that level of drivel is now commonplace.

 

[mal]

Looks more like an example of how willing TIME Magazine is willing to pander to our FEAR.

Or is TIME a scientific journal I didn't know about?

TIME certainly wasn't Referencing Science and Scientists in either and it wasn't Conventional Wisdom in the 70's, even at the First Earth Day, that a new Ice Age was coming...

Is it Difficult being Dishonest so Consistently?...



peace...

 

[Plasmaball]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

Last person im going to listen to is an internet messageboard handle.

 

[mal]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

Last person im going to listen to is an internet messageboard handle.

Go choke on Brat Pitt for as long as it takes, Sock.



peace...

 

[Old Rocks]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

No, you are not right. Do you always get your science from Time and Newsweek?

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Ice age predicted in the 70s
"[M]any publications now claiming the world is on the brink of a global warming disaster said the same about an impending ice age – just 30 years ago. Several major ones, including The New York Times, Time magazine and Newsweek, have reported on three or even four different climate shifts since 1895." (Fire and Ice)
In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.

At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.

By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.

 

[deltex1]

Evolution is also now in doubt, what with the ascendency of Obabble to the presidency.

 

[Old Rocks]

That's all you ever see or hear anymore. Watch NatGeo or the various science channels or virtually ANY science program on PBS and it is nothing but fear mongering. I was watching an episode of "How the Earth was Made" or something to that effect and the hosts were breathlessly talking about how Hawaii could possibly collapse and send a wall of water all the way to Los Angeles and wipe it out by gosh!

The level of bad science that was on display in that one show was astonishing. Sadly that level of drivel is now commonplace.

Amazing how ignorant you are for someone that claims a Phd in Geology.

http://www.geosci.usyd.edu.au/users/prey/Teaching/Geos-2111GIS/Tsunami/PirajnoMine04-Fortescue.pdf

The three oldest tsunami events reported were triggered by asteroid impact and generated distinctive tsunami deposited sediments that have become components of the Australian geological record. The reason that these events are included is to illustrate that tsunami have impacted Australia for a very long time. The fourth event dated at 105 ka is thought to have been generated by submarine sediment slides off Lanai, Hawai'i (Young et al., 1992, 1993, 1996). The causes of the other six events are unknown.

 

[Vox]

"Ice age" did not have financial mechanisms to rip out the people for the benefit of the brainwashers so it was forgotten

although it was also blamed on the 'evil fossil fuels' and 'CO2 emissions'

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.fsl.orst.edu/wpg/events/S11/Bryant 2001.pdf

Abstract. Tsunami waves can produce four general categories of depositional and erosional signatures
that differentiate them from storm waves. Combinations of items from these categories uniquely
define the impact of palaeo-tsunami on the coastal landscape. The largest palaeo-tsunami waves in
Australia swept sediment across the continental shelf and obtained flow depths of 15–20 m at the
coastline with velocities in excess of 10 m s−1. In New South Wales, along the cliffs of Jervis
Bay, waves reached elevations of more than 80 m above sea-level with evidence of flow depths in
excess of 10 m. These waves swept 10 km inland over the Shoalhaven delta. In northern Queensland,
boulders more than 6 m in diameter and weighing 286 tonnes were tossed alongshore above cyclone
storm wave limits inside the Great Barrier Reef. In Western Australia waves overrode and breached
60 m high hills up to 5 km inland. Shell debris and cobbles can be found within deposits mapped
as dunes, 30 km inland. The array of signatures provide directional information about the origin
of the tsunami and, when combined with radiocarbon dating, indicate that at least one and maybe
two catastrophic events have occurred during the last 1000 years along these three coasts. Only
the West Australian coast has historically been affected by notable tsunami with maximum run-up
elevations of 4–6 m. Palaeo-tsunami have been an order of magnitude greater than this. These palaeotsunami are produced most likely by large submarine slides on the continental slope or the impact of meteorites with the adjacent ocean.
Key words: depositional and erosional signatures, Australian coastline, ‘dump’ deposits

 

[Old Rocks]

Evolution is also now in doubt, what with the ascendency of Obabble to the presidency.

Oh my, how the 'Conservative' ass still hurts. Lost in 2008. Lost in 2012. Looked like complete idiots in the government shutdown and threatoned default. Even Wall Street told you to move your dumb asses, a get the government running again. Yes, evolution can move toward simpler forms, also. We see that in tapeworms and other parasites, such as 'Conservatives'.

 

[healthmyths]

What is the primary measure that indicated "global warming"? Temperature reading stations.

I ask you OLD ROCKS you seem to be sourcing your material..

Check this link out The False Global Warming Temperature Readings. Al Gore's Global Warming Lies - The Religion of Environmentalism

"The number of [Siberian] stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to
12 from 1989 to present only four (4) stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass.
The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/21/climategatekeeping-siberia/
How can any long term dependency on HISTORICAL comparisons of temperatures that leaves out 12% of the land mass and also have most of reading stations in
urban heat generating population centers?
Is this an appropriate basis to calculate rising global temperatures when these readings are NOT honest!

 

[mal]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

No, you are not right. Do you always get your science from Time and Newsweek?

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Ice age predicted in the 70s
"[M]any publications now claiming the world is on the brink of a global warming disaster said the same about an impending ice age – just 30 years ago. Several major ones, including The New York Times, Time magazine and Newsweek, have reported on three or even four different climate shifts since 1895." (Fire and Ice)
In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.

At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.

By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.

Ice Age was the Theme... Because some Countered doesn't change that Fact.

An Ice Age is also coming regardless of what we do, and all Scientists agree with this...

Read up on it.



peace...

 

[Old Rocks]

What is the primary measure that indicated "global warming"? Temperature reading stations.

I ask you OLD ROCKS you seem to be sourcing your material..

Check this link out The False Global Warming Temperature Readings. Al Gore's Global Warming Lies - The Religion of Environmentalism

"The number of [Siberian] stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to
12 from 1989 to present only four (4) stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass.
The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

Climategatekeeping: Siberia « Climate Audit
How can any long term dependency on HISTORICAL comparisons of temperatures that leaves out 12% of the land mass and also have most of reading stations in
urban heat generating population centers?
Is this an appropriate basis to calculate rising global temperatures when these readings are NOT honest!

Fellow, I get my science from peer reviewed scientific journals, not blogs. And, just in case you have forgotten, much of our present information comes from satellites, which cover the whole of the earth.

 

[healthmyths]

Evolution is also now in doubt, what with the ascendency of Obabble to the presidency.

Oh my, how the 'Conservative' ass still hurts. Lost in 2008. Lost in 2012. Looked like complete idiots in the government shutdown and threatoned default. Even Wall Street told you to move your dumb asses, a get the government running again. Yes, evolution can move toward simpler forms, also. We see that in tapeworms and other parasites, such as 'Conservatives'.

You know Old Rocks... you are so cliched! You are so out of touch with the latest status of Obama!
I'm not surprised because ANY one using "OLD" to describe themselves immediately indicates to me how misinformed that person is.

If Obama was so good for our country as you obviously support, why are his poll numbers dropping to less then 40% approval?

 

[Old Rocks]

Because in 1977 Science wasn't very sciencey... Now they've got it right... It's definitely Global Warming this time... And anyway, whatever it is, it's Big Fat Bald White Oil's fault and America's dominance in the World must be knocked down a peg or two... Amirite?



peace...

No, you are not right. Do you always get your science from Time and Newsweek?

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?

Ice age predicted in the 70s
"[M]any publications now claiming the world is on the brink of a global warming disaster said the same about an impending ice age – just 30 years ago. Several major ones, including The New York Times, Time magazine and Newsweek, have reported on three or even four different climate shifts since 1895." (Fire and Ice)
In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close, which might result in the Earth plunging into a new ice age over the next few centuries. This idea could have been reinforced by the knowledge that the smog that climatologists call ‘aerosols’ – emitted by human activities into the atmosphere – also caused cooling. In fact, as temperature recording has improved in coverage, it’s become apparent that the cooling trend was most pronounced in northern land areas and that global temperature trends were in fact relatively steady during the period prior to 1970.

At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies. Their papers showed that the growing amount of greenhouse gasses that humans were putting into the atmosphere would cause much greater warming – warming that would a much greater influence on global temperature than any possible natural or human-caused cooling effects.

By 1980 the predictions about ice ages had ceased, due to the overwhelming evidence contained in an increasing number of reports that warned of global warming. Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember.

Ice Age was the Theme... Because some Countered doesn't change that Fact.

An Ice Age is also coming regardless of what we do, and all Scientists agree with this...

Read up on it.



peace...

The Milankovic Cycles have far less forcing than the GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere. And the effects of these GHGs last for centuries. It looks at present that we will put off the onset of the next ice age by many thousands of years.

I have read extensively on this subject, obviously far more so than you as evidenced by what you post.

 

[Redfish]

Climate change is real and has been happening for millions of years.

man made climate change is a hoax and a lie.

end of story.

 

[Old Rocks]

Climate Forcing ? OSS Foundation

That's it!
To understand the climate forcing, you just add all the components of forcing that are positive and negative and you end up with a view of the total forcing in the climate system of earth.

In our case, the sun provides our heat energy, the Milankovitch forcing is the general regulator of climate forcing over 100k year time scales. That combined with terrestrial components, such as greenhouse gases, aerosols, and changes in land use comprise the major factors that determine climate forcing.

Energy absorption (how much energy we get form the sun) and energy radiation (how much we radiate back out into space) part of the climate system. According the the Stefan Boltzmann Law, we receive on earth 240 W/m2 and we radiate the same back to space.

Earth regulators include thermal inertia of the ocean, land use, and greenhouse gases & aerosols in the atmosphere. These things determine the speed of climate change in combination with the above factors, in general.

Some of the effects are faster and some are slower.

All these parts of the system, once measured and modeled reasonably give you an idea of the amount of forcing each imposes on the climate system. Some forces are positive and others are negative.

 

[Old Rocks]

Climate change is real and has been happening for millions of years.

man made climate change is a hoax and a lie.

end of story.

Except that all the Scientific Societies, all the National Academies of Science of the industrial nations, and all the major Universities of the world state that you are completely wrong.