An Orwellian America

[Wehrwolfen]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

 

[Katzndogz]

The difference between 1984 and Brave New World was that in 1984 no one was allowed to read a book unapproved by the government. In Brave New World, no one wanted to read a book about anything.

Both book are nothing more than instruction manuals for those who clearly see the benefits of both dystopian futures. Stuffed with entertainment and stupified by drugs as in Brave New World, any manner of totalitarianism and oppression as in 1984 will be tolerated.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

What you are witnessing is Communism. Nothing new under the sun. Communists have always used front organizations to hide their presence. They have just become more creative about the fronts they are using these days. That is all. While I agree we are at the door of it - Hitler in the 5th year seized all guns from the citizens of Germany and Austria right after making it mandatory to register those weapons... There are some similarities such as Obama attempting to do what Hitler did.. in his fifth year of leadership here... Americans will just have to wake up and realise the only thing standing between them and a communist takeover here is their second amendment rights. Very simple. Don't surrender your firearms and do not allow your rights to be infringed upon in any form. - Jeremiah

 

[Oldguy]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

And then what? Mitt Romney rides to our rescue in fulfillment of the Mormon White Horse Prophesy, with Glenn Beck as his Biblical Beast?

 

[Michelle420]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

I see some truth in those stories.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

And then what? Mitt Romney rides to our rescue in fulfillment of the Mormon White Horse Prophesy, with Glenn Beck as his Biblical Beast?

What have Romney or Beck have to do with the false propaganda being spewed by the Marxist Left, when we know that the biblical beast as you call it is the ugly ideology we know as communism?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Brilliant reply from Wehrwolfen. BRAVO. - Jeremiah

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Well said.

People believe that the Cold War was a fight between Capitalism and Communism (economics). What they failed to realize that Capitalism was defeated in 1913 with the passage of the 16th Amendment alongside the Federal Reserve. The Income tax controls the input, the Federal Reserve controls the output. In the same year (1913), Federalism was also defeated by the 17th Amendment, thus the United States lost the two great entities that once governed her. Also, JP Morgan engineered a scientific depression with Sir Rothschild in order to create the Federal Reserve (to prevent future depression), then margin trading and the Great Depression came along thanks to fiat currency.

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. Now we're moving towards an era of dual Private/Government Corporatism, and soon, only Government Corporatism.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. - 2d Amendment

Close, but no cigar. Corporatism won- across the board; people lost.

Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime growing government on the backs of the middle class. Corporatism won- government AND private.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Well said.

People believe that the Cold War was a fight between Capitalism and Communism (economics). What they failed to realize that Capitalism was defeated in 1913 with the passage of the 16th Amendment alongside the Federal Reserve. The Income tax controls the input, the Federal Reserve controls the output. In the same year (1913), Federalism was also defeated by the 17th Amendment, thus the United States lost the two great entities that once governed her. Also, JP Morgan engineered a scientific depression with Sir Rothschild in order to create the Federal Reserve (to prevent future depression), then margin trading and the Great Depression came along thanks to fiat currency.

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. Now we're moving towards an era of dual Private/Government Corporatism, and soon, only Government Corporatism.

You could not be more wrong. The CFR is a communist front - one of the first Congressman Larry McDonald warned Americans about because it is against the laws of our land to allow NGO's such as CFR, Tril Lat, Bilderberg and others to make decisions concerning the USA government business. Communism was making major inroads back then and Congressman McDonald who was Gen. Pattons first cousin saw it and got out in front of it. For that? He was murdered by the Russians.

The Cold war was between a Republic ( America ) and the Soviets ( Communism ) and the illusion that the cold war was over was the biggest mistake Americans ever bought into. You can bet your bottom dollar that when America is struck with Nukes it will be Russia that are pushing the button. The Russians are not our friends and the Communists are inside the gate. Wake up.

-Jeremiah

 

[Erand7899]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

And then what? Mitt Romney rides to our rescue in fulfillment of the Mormon White Horse Prophesy, with Glenn Beck as his Biblical Beast?

There is no easy road back to the greatness that once was America. There may not even be a way back. We may already be over the knee of the curve, and on the slippery slope of catastrophic national decline. The definitive factor is just how dumbed down have the voters become.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Well said.

People believe that the Cold War was a fight between Capitalism and Communism (economics). What they failed to realize that Capitalism was defeated in 1913 with the passage of the 16th Amendment alongside the Federal Reserve. The Income tax controls the input, the Federal Reserve controls the output. In the same year (1913), Federalism was also defeated by the 17th Amendment, thus the United States lost the two great entities that once governed her. Also, JP Morgan engineered a scientific depression with Sir Rothschild in order to create the Federal Reserve (to prevent future depression), then margin trading and the Great Depression came along thanks to fiat currency.

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. Now we're moving towards an era of dual Private/Government Corporatism, and soon, only Government Corporatism.

Hmm..., Who was the president responsible in defeating capitalism? None other than the revered Democratic Progressive Ku Klux Klansman Woodrow Wilson.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Tyler Durden?

lol

The first rule of rightwing paranoia is there’s no rightwing paranoia…

 

[editec]

by Tyler Durden
03/15/2013


The state, crippled by massive deficits, endless war and corporate malfeasance, is clearly sliding toward unavoidable bankruptcy.

We are one crisis away from a police state. All the powers are in place. Someone will flip the switch. Whether a Cyber Attack, escalating Currency War tensions or a 'terrorist' attack by indebted college youth, it is only a matter of time and circumstance.

The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

In The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek showed how governments, supported by a collectivist mindset, always tend towards totalitarianism. Even the most libertarian government thus far created, the government of the United States, has slipped incrementally towards totalitarianism over the past two centuries. This is because it is an inherent trait of a government.

(Excerpted)

Read more:
An Orwellian America | Zero Hedge

Are we transitioning from a society where we are skillfully manipulated by lies and illusions to one where we are overtly controlled?

Would you be completely surprised if I told you that Hayek's and Marx's analysis of the inherent flaw of all governments, and their propensity toward becoming authoritaian nightmares run by government backed MONOPOLIES were extremely similar?

 

[Oddball]

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. - 2d Amendment

Close, but no cigar. Corporatism won- across the board; people lost.

Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime growing government on the backs of the middle class. Corporatism won- government AND private.

The "Reagan debt" was and is nothing more than trading the deficit spending for the 20+% interest rates and 12+% inflation rate, as a result of the bills rolling in for the Vietnam war and LBJ's idiotic socialistic welfare state programs...And his successors have done absolutely nothing to reverse that model....In fact, they've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the insanity.

Not that I approve of what he did...Just pointing out the fact of the matter.

 

[Oldguy]

when we know that the biblical beast as you call it is the ugly ideology we know as communism?

Uh, no....."we" don't know that. Not in my Bible anyhow.

But, I must say y'all are a real trip. Still worrying about Communist's under every bed, just like back in the 50's. LOL It's like the collapse of the Soviet Union and the discrediting of Marxist dogma by China and Vietnam never happened. Y'all are stuck in the same time warp as Cuba and North Korea.

And besides, didn't G.H.W. Bush and Dick Cheney assure us Communism died in 1989?

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. - 2d Amendment

Close, but no cigar. Corporatism won- across the board; people lost.

Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime growing government on the backs of the middle class. Corporatism won- government AND private.

The "Reagan debt" was and is nothing more than trading the deficit spending for the 20+% interest rates and 12+% inflation rate, as a result of the bills rolling in for the Vietnam war and LBJ's idiotic socialistic welfare state programs...And his successors have done absolutely nothing to reverse that model....In fact, they've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the insanity.

Not that I approve of what he did...Just pointing out the fact of the matter.

Again, close, but no cigar.

Reagan's tripling of the national debt is over his signature, not over Johnson's or Nixon's. And Nixon spent a lot more "socialist" money than Johnson, so you might want to look into that.

The fact is Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime shadow boxing a bankrupt empire farming with horses in sight of nuclear power plants and playacting off of Pusgut O'Neill. The two of them compromised by signing agreements to fuck America on the backs of the US middle class.

There are no heroes after IKE. That is the reality.

 

[editec]

Back in the late Carter/ Early Reagan regimes, the FED cranked up the prime to over 20%

Naturally that killed the market, but it also killed inflation at the same time.

But what else did it do?

Well for a shitload of people who invested in government long term sercurities it assured them of very healthy returns on their tbills in some cases for a very long time, too.

And THAT TOO is in part STILL why our government is in "debt".

An economy is somewhat like a ballon filled with water.

Every time you poke it in one place the rest of the balloon responds in kind.

I know that sentiment flies in the faces of those of you who think the economy is easy to understand and that all it needs is more tax breaks, but you folks have been tragically under-educated about what real economics is all about.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. - 2d Amendment

Close, but no cigar. Corporatism won- across the board; people lost.

Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime growing government on the backs of the middle class. Corporatism won- government AND private.

The "Reagan debt" was and is nothing more than trading the deficit spending for the 20+% interest rates and 12+% inflation rate, as a result of the bills rolling in for the Vietnam war and LBJ's idiotic socialistic welfare state programs...And his successors have done absolutely nothing to reverse that model....In fact, they've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the insanity.

Not that I approve of what he did...Just pointing out the fact of the matter.

So that is your justification for the incompetence of Barack Oblamer?

 

[Oddball]

The Cold War was a battle between Private Corporatism and Government Corporatism. Private Corporatism won. - 2d Amendment

Close, but no cigar. Corporatism won- across the board; people lost.

Reagan tripled the debt in peacetime growing government on the backs of the middle class. Corporatism won- government AND private.

The "Reagan debt" was and is nothing more than trading the deficit spending for the 20+% interest rates and 12+% inflation rate, as a result of the bills rolling in for the Vietnam war and LBJ's idiotic socialistic welfare state programs...And his successors have done absolutely nothing to reverse that model....In fact, they've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on the insanity.

Not that I approve of what he did...Just pointing out the fact of the matter.

So that is your justification for the incompetence of Barack Oblamer?

I have no justification...There is none.

He's just another one in the line tripling and quadrupling down on the foolishness.