Another Double shooting in Britain....they like to shoot two people in one go over there....

[2aguy]

The only source you have is a guy who cooked the numbers to lie about guns in the home.....all you anti gun morons have are lies and emotion...the truth, the facts, the research, the statistics and reality show there is not one thing youare right about where guns are concerned.

guy, the thing is, your side has never produced a study that found different numbers.

In fact, I suspect Kellerman's numbers were probably on the cautious side.

We have 33,000 gun deaths a year, and only 200 firearms deaths ruled "Justifiable' homicides by civilians.

so really, Kellerman's numbers seem like they are spot on.

In fact, his findings were that for every one self-defense homicide, there were 39 suicides and 4 domestic murders, which actually, again, sounds about right.

I just showed you how he faked the numbers......like going to a leper colony to determine how many people get leprosy every year........

 

[2aguy]

Wow....you are using Christy Salters martin......you were specifically shown that the gun had nothing to do with her attack.....it was her choices....and the fact, that her husband had a long history of violent assault against her....

And a gun was useless to stop that. Thank you for confirming my point.

When you separate yourself from your gun and leave it where the guy who just told you he is going to murder you can get it...then you fucking go to sleep in the same house as that guy.........you blame the gun...cause you are a moron......he didn't need the gun to kill her....he beat the crap out of her, and stabbed her nearly to death.........

Had she actually had the gun she wouldn't have been stabbed, beaten or shot.....moron.

 

[2aguy]

The only source you have is a guy who cooked the numbers to lie about guns in the home.....all you anti gun morons have are lies and emotion...the truth, the facts, the research, the statistics and reality show there is not one thing youare right about where guns are concerned.

guy, the thing is, your side has never produced a study that found different numbers.

In fact, I suspect Kellerman's numbers were probably on the cautious side.

We have 33,000 gun deaths a year, and only 200 firearms deaths ruled "Justifiable' homicides by civilians.

so really, Kellerman's numbers seem like they are spot on.

In fact, his findings were that for every one self-defense homicide, there were 39 suicides and 4 domestic murders, which actually, again, sounds about right.

The truth about guns.....

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Accidental gun deaths:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths over time....

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505
2014...586 ( there was an increase in gun ownership from 320,000,000 million guns in 2013, going up to 357,000,000 million guns in 2015 meaning one extra gun accident per 456,790 new guns in private hands.)


Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)


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Gun suicide vs. non gun suicide:

Gun Suicide: 21,175

Non gun suicide: 19,974

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Gun murder:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 and

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports - 2000

gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124

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Self defense with a gun:

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...

How many times a year do Americans use guns to stop violent crime and save lives.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Last


Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'

At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.

About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.

"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.