Another "Responsible" Gun Owner

[Lesh]

And YOU own actual weapons of war and threatened to point a shotgun in my face. TURN IN YOUR GUNS because YOU are unhinged and irresponsible.

Dude, you’re playing the fool. It’s not helping your insanity but hey… if it makes you feel good to say stupid shit… you be you

 

[Lesh]

I'd go after the people who are responsible for all the killing.
Unfortunately the left keeps giving them a slap on the wrist and releasing them.

And people like you keep giving them guns

 

[Blues Man]

Dude, you’re playing the fool. It’s not helping your insanity but hey… if it makes you feel good to say stupid shit… you be you

So you're the one who is whining about an AR being a weapon of war but you threaten to point a Remington 870 ( which is an actual weapon of war used today) in my face so I can look down the barrel and you think you are a responsible gun owner.

 

[August West]

The murder rate in the US is about what it was in 1950
The murder rate in the UK is about what it was in 1950

All the draconian gun laws passed in the 1960's in the UK as well as their outright bans on entire classes of weapons did not lower their murder rate to below what it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love so much were enacted.

How does our murder rate compare to the UK`s murder rate?

 

[Lesh]

So you're the one who is whining about an AR being a weapon of war but you threaten to point a Remington 870 ( which is an actual weapon of war used today) in my face so I can look down the barrel and you think you are a responsible gun owner.

Keep playing the fool… fool.

It ain’t helping you at all

 

[Blues Man]

How does our murder rate compare to the UK`s murder rate?

It's always been higher even before the literally thousands of gun laws that have been passed in the last 50 years.

If gun laws lowered murder rates then the UK's murder rate would be lower than it was before they passed all their gun laws. It isn't.

How many gun laws have been passed in the US on the state and federal level since 1950?

It's at least 10000 and none of them have lowered the murder rate to below what it was before all those laws were passed.

 

[Blues Man]

Keep playing the fool… fool.

It ain’t helping you at all

keep denying

We’re you looking at the business end of an 870, you would not be thinking “super soaker”

 

[Lesh]

keep denying

Nothing says “responsible gun owner” like bullying obsessive behavior on the internet huh?

 

[Blues Man]

Nothing says “responsible gun owner” like bullying obsessive behavior on the internet huh?

And I quote

We’re you looking at the business end of an 870, you would not be thinking “super soaker”

 

[Auld Phart]

Nothing says “responsible gun owner” like bullying obsessive behavior on the internet huh?

YOu're admitting you're not a responsible gun owner?

 

[Lesh]

And I quote

More obsessive bullying huh

Ohh

 

[lennypartiv]

How does our murder rate compare to the UK`s murder rate?

So we're not supposed to use our guns?

 

[Pellinore]

As long as we're talking statistics, let's ask whether gun control legislation in the US and UK have affected their overall homicide rates. We have to bear in mind, of course, that there are lots of other factors that affect the homicide rate, but let's see if there's any correlation anyway.

Major gun control acts and judgments in the US since 1990:
1993: The Brady bill; background checks.
1994: Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
2004: Assault weapons ban expires.
2008: DC vs. Heller.
2020: Covid.

Source: U.S. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

Major gun control acts in the UK since 1990:
1997: Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1997, following the Dunblane Massacre.
2006: Violent Crime Reduction Act.
2020: Also Covid.

Source: U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

I'll let you all draw your own conclusions. Notice, however, that the scale of these two is off: the American chart ranges from about 4.5 to 9.5 per 100K, while the British one ranges from about 0.9 to 1.9 per 100K, far less in proportion.

Source: Macrotrends, Least Biased, Mostly Factual.

 

[2aguy]

After I read this, I was curious about long term rates in the US. Yes, the rate for homicide in 1950 is the same as 2014 (5.1 according to Statista) between those dates however, are huge increases, almost doubling in 1980 and not back to 5.1 until 2014 and then rising yet again.

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019 | Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.

www.statista.com

There are multiple factors involved, so it is difficult to parse out the causes or coincidences, but here is the abstract from one study thar looked at it:

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.publhealth.21.1.505

A dramatic rise in homicide in the latter half of the 1980s peaked during the 1990s and then declined at an equally dramatic rate. Such trends in homicide rates can be understood only by examining rates in specific age, sex, and racial groups. The increase primarily involved young males, especially black males, occurred first in the big cities, and was related to the sudden appearance of crack cocaine in the drug markets of the big cities around 1985. This development led to an increased need for and use of guns and was accompanied by a general diffusion of guns into the larger community. The decline in homicide since the early 1990s has been caused by changes in the drug markets, police response to gun carrying by young males, especially those under 18 years old, the economic expansion, and efforts to decrease general access to guns, as well as an increase in the prison population and a continued decline in homicide among those over age 24. The lessons learned from the recent homicide trends and the factors associated with them have important implications for public health and the criminal justice system.

The most dangerous states, with the highest murder rates are those with lax gun laws. The safest states, with lowest murder rates, are those with strict gun laws. That trend is across both urban and rural counties. BUT which area (including individual cities) is safest depends on who you are.

There is a very interesting bit of research I recently read that looks at gun violence from the view of culture and uses county level data to look at trends and examine rural and urban trends. Nationhood Lab

Using 1950 alone as a benchmark is deceptive when taken in isolation and it only looks at the trend in the US as a whole.

Yes.......and the most important part.......As more and more Americans owned and carried guns....starting in the 1990s...the gun crime and gun murder rates went down...not up...

You can't explain that.......

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
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Over the past few decades, the number of guns in America has increased massively, so much so that there are now more guns than people in the United States. Yet federal crime statistics show that firearm homicides dropped about 40 percent between 1993 and 2018, from 7 per 100,000 people to 4.3 per 100,000 people (for nonfatal crimes involving guns, the decline was 71 percent). Violent crime, including homicides, did spike during the pandemic, and while the most recent data is incomplete, it's clear that gun-related violence remains far below where it was 30 years ago despite more guns than ever being out there.

When it comes to schools, the 2020–21 academic year, the latest for which full data is available, did see the highest number of school shootingswith casualties this century. There are thankfully too few violent deaths to generate statistically significant conclusions, but the long-term trendsshow no increase in homicides or suicides among students, staff, and teachers.

Do 'more guns lead to more deaths'?
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Bureau of Justice statistics...

The rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 persons age 12 or older declined 41% across the 26-year period of 1993 to 2018, from 8.4 to 5.0
homicides per 100,000 (figure 1). During the more recent 5 years from 2014 to 2018, this rate was between 4.0 and 5.2 homicides per 100,000 persons age 12 or older. A total of 150 persons age 11 or younger were victims of firearm homicide in 2018, resulting in a rate of 0.3 homicides per 100,000 persons in this age group (not shown).
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In 2018, there were 470,800 nonfatal firearm victimizations against persons age 12 or older, down 69% from 1.5 million in 1993 (table 2). Data on nonfatal firearm violence in this report are from
the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) and include rape
or sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault victimizations against persons age 12 or older in which the offender had, showed, or used a firearm.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/tpfv9318.pdf


murder 1950-2014...

Homicide Rate, 1950–2014


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

 

[2aguy]

As long as we're talking statistics, let's ask whether gun control legislation in the US and UK have affected their overall homicide rates. We have to bear in mind, of course, that there are lots of other factors that affect the homicide rate, but let's see if there's any correlation anyway.

Major gun control acts and judgments in the US since 1990:
1993: The Brady bill; background checks.
1994: Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
2004: Assault weapons ban expires.
2008: DC vs. Heller.
2020: Covid.
View attachment 781046
Source: U.S. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

Major gun control acts in the UK since 1990:
1997: Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1997, following the Dunblane Massacre.
2006: Violent Crime Reduction Act.
2020: Also Covid.
View attachment 781047
Source: U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

I'll let you all draw your own conclusions. Notice, however, that the scale of these two is off: the American chart ranges from about 4.5 to 9.5 per 100K, while the British one ranges from about 0.9 to 1.9 per 100K, far less in proportion.

Source: Macrotrends, Least Biased, Mostly Factual.

The U.K. murder rate was low before they banned guns.....and it didn't change after they banned guns......and the Dunblane shooting was the only school shooting they had...........

Also......the spike they had after they banned guns.....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

Now, keep in mind...the British police have stated they can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country......so their gun control laws aren't stopping anything....their criminals, as a culture, have been less willing to use their illegal guns for murder...prefering to shoot their victims in the legs or butt.........now, that is changing as their drug gangs are taken over by 3rd world immigrants who do not respect British laws or customs....

Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.

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Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.



The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.



In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years





Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

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County lines​

Peter Squires, professor of criminology at the University of Brighton, told The Guardian that so-called “county lines” – a form of criminal exploitation where urban gangs persuade young people to take drugs to rural areas of the country – are probably behind the rise in gun crime in places such as Sussex, Kent and Cheshire.

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Gun smuggling​

The prevalence of firearm offences is also partially to do with gun smuggling, experts say. Firearms can now be hired for as little as £100 around the UK and can be acquired in “less than a day”, reported the i news site’s investigations correspondent Dean Kirby.



According to Dr Robert Hesketh, a criminology expert at Liverpool John Moores University, it is “relatively easy” to get hold of a firearm in many cities.

“A MAC-10 will cost about £3,000, an MP5 £3,000,” Hesketh said. “These are automatic weapons. Another gun doing the rounds a few years ago and possibly now was a Desert Eagle, for about £500. It isn’t hard, put it that way.”

There is also an option to rent a weapon – with criminals borrowing firearms for short periods. “You can get one possibly for £100 to £150 if you know the right people,” Hesketh said.



While it is working to cut off supplies to the UK, the National Crime Agency has seen a “gradual increase” in the use of fully automatic weapons.

Some of the weapons used are deactivated or blank-firing devices, which are being bought in eastern Europe, where they are legal and unrestricted. They are then illegally reactivated by criminals before being transported to the UK, Kirby said.

Guns can also be bought on the dark web, and stolen, lawfully bought guns have also ended up being used in shootings. On the messaging app Telegram The Sunday Times found firearms advertised for sale from £400.

In 2019/20, the National Crime Agency seized 552 illegal firearms in the UK and abroad. The UK Border Force, meanwhile, picked up 2,600 lethal and non-lethal firearms in the year to September 2020.



Why is gun crime on the rise? | The Week UK



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Gun offences had been increasing since roughly 2015 across England and Wales, according to figures from the Office of National Statistics. But then came the pandemic.

Are gun crimes on the rise again?​

Dr Robert Hesketh, from the School of Justice Studies at Liverpool John Moores University, thinks the incidents will increase because of the cost of living crisis.

"People are getting desperate and desperate times call for desperate measures," he said.



Dr Hesketh disagreed with senior police officers, who say it is hard for a criminal to buy a gun in Britain.



The academic instead suggested in Liverpool a cheap firearm can be obtained for as little as £150 with a bit of asking around.



Gun crime is closely linked with drug dealing. At the top of the criminal tree drug gangs arrange imports to sell in the UK.

The retail arm of the market has become dominated by a relatively new business model.

County lines gangs, using dedicated mobile phones for customers to make orders, shift drugs around the country and have been blamed for increasing the risk of violence involving guns and knives.

Liverpool is an important part of the UK's drug gang infrastructure.

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[2aguy]

As long as we're talking statistics, let's ask whether gun control legislation in the US and UK have affected their overall homicide rates. We have to bear in mind, of course, that there are lots of other factors that affect the homicide rate, but let's see if there's any correlation anyway.

Major gun control acts and judgments in the US since 1990:
1993: The Brady bill; background checks.
1994: Federal Assault Weapons Ban.
2004: Assault weapons ban expires.
2008: DC vs. Heller.
2020: Covid.
View attachment 781046
Source: U.S. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

Major gun control acts in the UK since 1990:
1997: Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1997, following the Dunblane Massacre.
2006: Violent Crime Reduction Act.
2020: Also Covid.
View attachment 781047
Source: U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2023

I'll let you all draw your own conclusions. Notice, however, that the scale of these two is off: the American chart ranges from about 4.5 to 9.5 per 100K, while the British one ranges from about 0.9 to 1.9 per 100K, far less in proportion.

Source: Macrotrends, Least Biased, Mostly Factual.

The anti-gun crowd has to explain the following.....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

 

[Blues Man]

More obsessive bullying huh

Ohh

So now quoting exactly what you said is "bullying"?

You really are a pathetic snowflake and should turn in your guns

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And people like you keep giving them guns

I've never given a gun to anyone.
Try again.

 

[TNHarley]

No one buys a vehicle to use as a murder weapon.

U-Haul ‘rampage’ as driver plows into New Yorkers, tells cops: ‘Shoot me. I’m not stopping’

Two of the victims were listed in critical condition, two in serious condition and four suffered minor injuries, according to the FDNY.

nypost.com

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Good thing there was a gun handy to resolve it huh?

Lol... go wash your dress ...