Another "Responsible" Gun Owner

[HereWeGoAgain]

So you would do....nothing

I'd go after the people who are responsible for all the killing.
Unfortunately the left keeps giving them a slap on the wrist and releasing them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Thats just your opinion

I see it differently

You’re a liar, like most on the dishonest right.

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned’ or ‘confiscated.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yes...they will...that is the end goal....and Washington just passed an AR-15 ban you idiot.

You’re a liar, like most on the dishonest right.

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned’ or ‘confiscated.’

 

[Mac-7]

You’re a liar, like most on the dishonest right.

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned’ or ‘confiscated.’

I hope so

As long as we cling to our guns and our Bibles libs like you are powerless

But it takes constant diligence on our part

 

[rightwinger]

No.......criminals would still get guns, and American criminals like to murder people......so of the 1.1 million defensive gun uses each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control......that stop rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings and even mass public shootings......would no longer happen....and the victims would be raped, robbed, murdered, beat, and stabbed.....and mass public shootings would still happen....

With 400 million guns out there, there is no way to stop them

But that doesn’t mean we have to make it easy

 

[2aguy]

With 400 million guns out there, there is no way to stop them

But that doesn’t mean we have to make it easy

There are over 600 million guns out there, and over 22 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense....

we don't make it easy....the democrat party simply keeps releasing the most violent gun criminals no matter how fast the police arrest them.

 

[Couchpotato]

With 400 million guns out there, there is no way to stop them

But that doesn’t mean we have to make it easy

What would be the way to stop them if all guns were illegal?

Oh we can just use the war on drugs model.....


Oh wait.

 

[Blues Man]

And here’s another that just happened!

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

Five people are dead, including an 8-year-old boy, after being shot in a Texas home by a suspect armed with AR-15 style rifle, police say.

abcnews.go.com

This from earlier in the month…

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

And how are any of those incidents the fault of the tens of millions of gun owners that didn't participate?

 

[Blues Man]

Do you want to compare murder rates with any western European nation?

The murder rate in the US is about what it was in 1950
The murder rate in the UK is about what it was in 1950

All the draconian gun laws passed in the 1960's in the UK as well as their outright bans on entire classes of weapons did not lower their murder rate to below what it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love so much were enacted.

 

[Coyote]

And how are any of those incidents the fault of the tens of millions of gun owners that didn't participate?

In any criminal event there are always millions of law abiding people who did not participate. No one is faulting them.

 

[Blues Man]

So you would do....nothing

And YOU own actual weapons of war and threatened to point a shotgun in my face. TURN IN YOUR GUNS because YOU are unhinged and irresponsible.

 

[Blues Man]

In any criminal event there are always millions of law abiding people who did not participate. No one is faulting them.

Plenty of people hare are saying that

 

[2aguy]

The murder rate in the US is about what it was in 1950
The murder rate in the UK is about what it was in 1950

All the draconian gun laws passed in the 1960's in the UK as well as their outright bans on entire classes of weapons did not lower their murder rate to below what it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love so much were enacted.

Actually.....

The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

 

[Auld Phart]

In any criminal event there are always millions of law abiding people who did not participate. No one is faulting them.

Then why are they trying to pass laws punishing the law abiding, and not focusing on the law breakers?

 

[Coyote]

The murder rate in the US is about what it was in 1950
The murder rate in the UK is about what it was in 1950

All the draconian gun laws passed in the 1960's in the UK as well as their outright bans on entire classes of weapons did not lower their murder rate to below what it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love so much were enacted.

After I read this, I was curious about long term rates in the US. Yes, the rate for homicide in 1950 is the same as 2014 (5.1 according to Statista) between those dates however, are huge increases, almost doubling in 1980 and not back to 5.1 until 2014 and then rising yet again.

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019 | Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.

www.statista.com

There are multiple factors involved, so it is difficult to parse out the causes or coincidences, but here is the abstract from one study thar looked at it:

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.publhealth.21.1.505

A dramatic rise in homicide in the latter half of the 1980s peaked during the 1990s and then declined at an equally dramatic rate. Such trends in homicide rates can be understood only by examining rates in specific age, sex, and racial groups. The increase primarily involved young males, especially black males, occurred first in the big cities, and was related to the sudden appearance of crack cocaine in the drug markets of the big cities around 1985. This development led to an increased need for and use of guns and was accompanied by a general diffusion of guns into the larger community. The decline in homicide since the early 1990s has been caused by changes in the drug markets, police response to gun carrying by young males, especially those under 18 years old, the economic expansion, and efforts to decrease general access to guns, as well as an increase in the prison population and a continued decline in homicide among those over age 24. The lessons learned from the recent homicide trends and the factors associated with them have important implications for public health and the criminal justice system.

The most dangerous states, with the highest murder rates are those with lax gun laws. The safest states, with lowest murder rates, are those with strict gun laws. That trend is across both urban and rural counties. BUT which area (including individual cities) is safest depends on who you are.

There is a very interesting bit of research I recently read that looks at gun violence from the view of culture and uses county level data to look at trends and examine rural and urban trends. Nationhood Lab

Using 1950 alone as a benchmark is deceptive when taken in isolation and it only looks at the trend in the US as a whole.

 

[Blues Man]

After I read this, I was curious about long term rates in the US. Yes, the rate for homicide in 1950 is the same as 2014 (5.1 according to Statista) between those dates however, are huge increases, almost doubling in 1980 and not back to 5.1 until 2014 and then rising yet again.

Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2019 | Statista

In 2019, there were six deaths by homicide per 100,000 of the population in the United States, compared to 5.9 deaths by homicide in the previous year.

www.statista.com

There are multiple factors involved, so it is difficult to parse out the causes or coincidences, but here is the abstract from one study thar looked at it:

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.publhealth.21.1.505

A dramatic rise in homicide in the latter half of the 1980s peaked during the 1990s and then declined at an equally dramatic rate. Such trends in homicide rates can be understood only by examining rates in specific age, sex, and racial groups. The increase primarily involved young males, especially black males, occurred first in the big cities, and was related to the sudden appearance of crack cocaine in the drug markets of the big cities around 1985. This development led to an increased need for and use of guns and was accompanied by a general diffusion of guns into the larger community. The decline in homicide since the early 1990s has been caused by changes in the drug markets, police response to gun carrying by young males, especially those under 18 years old, the economic expansion, and efforts to decrease general access to guns, as well as an increase in the prison population and a continued decline in homicide among those over age 24. The lessons learned from the recent homicide trends and the factors associated with them have important implications for public health and the criminal justice system.

The most dangerous states, with the highest murder rates are those with lax gun laws. The safest states, with lowest murder rates, are those with strict gun laws. That trend is across both urban and rural counties. BUT which area (including individual cities) is safest depends on who you are.

There is a very interesting bit of research I recently read that looks at gun violence from the view of culture and uses county level data to look at trends and examine rural and urban trends.

Using 1950 alone as a benchmark is deceptive when taken in isolation and it only looks at the trend in the US as a whole.

Is there really THAT much difference between a murder rate of 4.8 per 100K and 5.1 per 100K?

the Us murder rate is for the US as a whole. Now if you want a deep dive there are at least 12 cities where the local murder rates are up to 12 times that of the US average.

And CA has the strictest gun laws in the country and had a murder rate that is 5 times that of the state of NH which has lax gun laws.

 

[Coyote]

Then why are they trying to pass laws punishing the law abiding, and not focusing on the law breakers?

How is not being able to buy certain armaments “punishing“ anyone? We have always had things that the civilian population has not been able to purchase or own.

Also, why would you assume it is one or the other? You can do both: focus on access AND on criminal use. I think you have to.

 

[Coyote]

Is there really THAT much difference between a murder rate of 4.8 per 100K and 5.1 per 100K?

the Us murder rate is for the US as a whole. Now if you want a deep dive there are at least 12 cities where the local murder rates are up to 12 times that of the US average.

And CA has the strictest gun laws in the country and had a murder rate that is 5 times that of the state of NH which has lax gun laws.

If you look at state wide homicide rates…CA is actually quite low.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

I think the reason NH is so low is not gun laws but culture. Look at the states with the highest rates.

 

[Blues Man]

If you look at state wide homicide rates…CA is actually quite low.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

I think the reason NH is so low is not gun laws but culture. Look at the states with the highest rates.

If gun laws lowered murder rates then CA would have the lowest murder rate in the country.

They don't.

 

[Auld Phart]

How is not being able to buy certain armaments “punishing“ anyone? We have always had things that the civilian population has not been able to purchase or own.

Also, why would you assume it is one or the other? You can do both: focus on access AND on criminal use. I think you have to.

focus on access AND on criminal use. I think you have to.

Tell that to your side of the aisle.