Another "Responsible" Gun Owner

[Blues Man]

As I understand it law enforcement can grab the guns and later on the owner can sue to get them back

and they don't have to notify the accused of any hearings so he is tried in absentia

 

[Mac-7]

and they don't have to notify the accused of any hearings so he is tried in absentia

But to gun grabbing libs that constitutes due process

 

[rightwinger]

There is no requirement for a medical professional to weigh in in any red flag law and if the accused is not notified of a hearing then his rights are being violated because he is being denied the ability to confront his accusers and to have counsel present.

Doesnt need to be
People testifying to threats you are making is just as credible
Judges listen to witnesses all the time in making decisions

If the accused was not notified of a hearing than he should file an appeal of the seizure on that basis

 

[Blues Man]

Doesnt need to be
People testifying to threats you are making is just as credible
Judges listen to witnesses all the time in making decisions

If the accused was not notified of a hearing than he should file an appeal of the seizure on that basis

No it isn't.

Making threats is actually a crime and the accused has not been arrested and charged with any crime, has not been notified of any warrants or any trials being held in which he is the defendant.

IOW it's a fucking kangaroo court

 

[rightwinger]

No it isn't.

Making threats is actually a crime and the accused has not been arrested and charged with any crime, has not been notified of any warrants or any trials being held in which he is the defendant.

IOW it's a fucking kangaroo court

And that person needs to have their guns removed while that crime is being prosecuted

Taking a persons guns is the same as a restraining order
You are ordered out of the home or away from another person until the issue is resolved

It is not a Kangaroo Court
It is no different than any other court in that a judge listens to sworn testimony and makes a decision

 

[Blues Man]

And that person needs to have their guns removed while that crime is being prosecuted

Taking a persons guns is the same as a restraining order
You are ordered out of the home or away from another person until the issue is resolved

It is not a Kangaroo Court
It is no different than any other court in that a judge listens to sworn testimony and makes a decision

There is no crime needed for a red flag law to be enacted

The accused is not arrested and charged with anything BEFORE a trial is held without the accused's knowledge.

 

[rightwinger]

There is no crime.

The accused is not arrested and charged with anything BEFORE a trial is held without the accused's knowledge.

No crime in a restraining order either

I of being ordered away from other people, you are ordered away from your guns

 

[Blues Man]

No crime in a restraining order either

I of being ordered away from other people, you are ordered away from your guns

If an accused person's property is confiscated when no crime has been committed and there is a trial where the accused is not notified the crime is being committed by the police and the courts

 

[Catsnmeters]

Man Shoots Neighbor For Using Leaf Blower

Unfortunately, this sort of thing will keep happening in our gun-saturated country.

crooksandliars.com

If ya have a gun ya might as well use it huh?

Seems to be a rash of this kinda thing

Trump's gun control plan would have stopped this from happening.

 

[2aguy]

Too many loopholes and a secondary gun market

No loopholes.....

Criminals steal the guns they have or they use straw buyers...people with clean records who can pass any background check anywhere......

 

[2aguy]

This is a lie.

Guns aren’t going to be ‘banned’ or ‘confiscated.’

As usual the dishonest right advances ridiculous fearmongering and lies while engaging un unwarranted opposition to addressing the problem of gun crime and violence.

Yes...they will...that is the end goal....and Washington just passed an AR-15 ban you idiot.

 

[Coyote]

Man Shoots Neighbor For Using Leaf Blower

Unfortunately, this sort of thing will keep happening in our gun-saturated country.

crooksandliars.com

If ya have a gun ya might as well use it huh?

Seems to be a rash of this kinda thing

And here’s another that just happened!

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

Five people are dead, including an 8-year-old boy, after being shot in a Texas home by a suspect armed with AR-15 style rifle, police say.

abcnews.go.com

This from earlier in the month…

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

 

[2aguy]

And here’s another that just happened!

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

Five people are dead, including an 8-year-old boy, after being shot in a Texas home by a suspect armed with AR-15 style rifle, police say.

abcnews.go.com

This from earlier in the month…

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

And how many times are legal guns used legally to save lives from rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings, and even mass public shootings?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press

 

[2aguy]

And here’s another that just happened!

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

Five people are dead, including an 8-year-old boy, after being shot in a Texas home by a suspect armed with AR-15 style rifle, police say.

abcnews.go.com

This from earlier in the month…

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

And Europe murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children in just 6 years of government murder.......

Gun murder in the entire 246 year history of the United States?

Around 2,460,000

Can you tell which number is bigger?

When you find someone to teach you the difference between numbers you will see why we will be keeping our guns .......

 

[Coyote]

And Europe murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children in just 6 years of government murder.......

Gun murder in the entire 246 year history of the United States?

Around 2,460,000

Can you tell which number is bigger?

When you find someone to teach you the difference between numbers you will see why we will be keeping our guns .......

False equivalency.

 

[2aguy]

False equivalency.

Nope.......the governments of Europe did what you wanted....they first registered guns, then began to confiscate and ban them. Then, the leftist socialists in Germany, when they took control over the continent, used the registration lists to disarm any remaining guns that their political enemies had, and they went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children...

Not war dead.......not collateral damage from the European war.

These people were rounded up, marched into forests and camps and murdered...

In the U.S....the vast majority of those murdered by guns are not innocent people....they are criminals, and the friends and family of those criminals.....

15 million murdered in Europe by their gun controlling governments....in 6 years.

Gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 246 year history....around 2,460,000

 

[Auld Phart]

And here’s another that just happened!

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

Five people are dead, including an 8-year-old boy, after being shot in a Texas home by a suspect armed with AR-15 style rifle, police say.

abcnews.go.com

This from earlier in the month…

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Fact check: AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012

Of 12 shootings listed, including the Sandy Hook, Pulse, Las Vegas, and Boulder shootings, 11 used AR-15 style rifles. But a post is missing context.

www.usatoday.com

Less than 400 deaths caused by ar-15 and clones in the last 10 years,

 

[August West]

Man Accused Of Running Over Woman Multiple Times In Road Rage Incident | iHeart

The man was enraged following a minor traffic accident with the 23-year-old victim. | iHeart

www.iheart.com

Unfortunately, this sort of thing will keep happening in our vehicle saturated country.

No one buys a vehicle to use as a murder weapon.

 

[2aguy]

No one buys a vehicle to use as a murder weapon.

The muslim terrorist in France rented one to use as a murder weapon......

Murdered 86 people, wounded 435 in 5 minutes of driving..... more people than in any mass public shooting in the U.S. including the Las Vegas shooting.

 

[August West]

No loopholes.....

Criminals steal the guns they have or they use straw buyers...people with clean records who can pass any background check anywhere......

An estimated 40,000 are stolen from vehicles every year. Would you support a law making it illegal to leave your gun in a vehicle overnight? Our cars don`t have 2nd amendment rights.