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I say yes. Of course proper precautions should be taken but lets allow administration officials to protect the children and themselves.
I hate to say this, but there are teachers out there that I think are the last people in the world that should have guns around children. I think most teachers would be more than capable of having a gun in the room and nothing ever happening, but do you want to risk that your grandchild's teacher is not the one that "snaps" next?
Kids can be pretty hard on teachers and push them to the limit and you want to put a gun in their reach at the crucial moment? If you ask me, you need to think that through more.
Immie
kids might be more respectful to a teacher that has an open carry
Another school shooting. Time to arm the teachers?
No, its time not to grasp for idiotic solutions.
Seriously.
We have another tragedy due to guns.
Right wing solution? We need more guns.
Astounding.
I tell you, if I owned a shopping mall or movie theater, the FIRST thing I would do is hired armed security guards. The SECOND thing I would do is put up signs saying, "Gun owners are welcome to carry in this establishment". Hell, I might offer discounts for customers with a firearm and a valid license for it.
Yep. Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the country, but has one of the most violent record re gun crimes. So they are in the process of letting citizens lawfully carry. Will it make a difference? If the gun control advocates are not successful in reversing the new law, it will be really interesting to watch. Is the new law being so hotly contested because some fear it WILL significantly reduce gun crime?
Police say about 5:30 p.m. on Dec. 3, a man walked into Modern Nails at 2645 E. Second St. and asked a female employee if she wanted to buy some diamonds. The man walked toward the front desk area and the woman replied that she had no money to buy diamonds.
A witness said the man then reached into his coat pocket and began to take out a silver-colored pistol.
At that moment, a woman who was getting her nails done reached into her purse and got her own firearm. Police say the man never fully raised the gun and left the building after seeing the customer had her weapon out.
Casper Police: Nail salon customer packs heat, gunman leaves
Conversely, you have to hunt long and hard to find an instance of gun crime committed by anybody packing a visible weaponlegal in New Mexico for instance though few door anybody packing a legally licensed concealed weapon.
But does anybody believe that 20 kindergarteners and 7 staff would be dead today at the Sandy Hook school if a half dozen or so teachers had weapons and were trained in how and when to use them?
Yeah, crossfire would've made the situation much better.
No, I'm reading the analogy exactly right....And it's spot on.He was misusing logical analogy as you are misdefining what it is.
He was making an analogy not being literal, you meathead.By me saying I think it's dumb to have guns in the classroom you think I want the military to be disarmed? And then you say I have idiotic logic. Why don't you let the adults handle this conversation.
I hate to say this, but there are teachers out there that I think are the last people in the world that should have guns around children. I think most teachers would be more than capable of having a gun in the room and nothing ever happening, but do you want to risk that your grandchild's teacher is not the one that "snaps" next?
Kids can be pretty hard on teachers and push them to the limit and you want to put a gun in their reach at the crucial moment? If you ask me, you need to think that through more.
Immie
Police officers receive extensive background checks and psychological evaluation before they are issued a firearm. There would be no problem with doing the same with any teachers who volunteered to be armed while on duty.
The firearms should be safely secured so that the teacher can get to them quickly but the students cannot. Any teacher who took a secured firearm out of its hiding place for any reason other than such an emergency as happened yesterday would of course be subject to immediately firing.
So to address your concern, there is no reason to think teachers are likely to be any more mentally unbalanced that professional security people. And I would think the risk to my child would be much less with a weapon in the hands of his/her teacher than it would be with a crazed gunman loose in the school and no means of stopping him.
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
Police officers receive extensive background checks and psychological evaluation before they are issued a firearm. There would be no problem with doing the same with any teachers who volunteered to be armed while on duty.
The firearms should be safely secured so that the teacher can get to them quickly but the students cannot. Any teacher who took a secured firearm out of its hiding place for any reason other than such an emergency as happened yesterday would of course be subject to immediately firing.
So to address your concern, there is no reason to think teachers are likely to be any more mentally unbalanced that professional security people. And I would think the risk to my child would be much less with a weapon in the hands of his/her teacher than it would be with a crazed gunman loose in the school and no means of stopping him.
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
So you devise a system that keeps the weapon away from the kids but the teacher can get to and utilize quickly. It wouldn't be rocket science. I can't believe that American technology is so rusty they couldn't figure out how to do it.
If they would have had a few plain clothes officers or deputized volunteers with concealed carry permits, it may have stopped this cat when he shot the glass out and entered into the principles office, otherwise never to get beyond that point before hopefully being wounded badly enough, that he could have been taken into custody alive afterwards.I tell you, if I owned a shopping mall or movie theater, the FIRST thing I would do is hired armed security guards. The SECOND thing I would do is put up signs saying, "Gun owners are welcome to carry in this establishment". Hell, I might offer discounts for customers with a firearm and a valid license for it.
Yep. Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the country, but has one of the most violent record re gun crimes. So they are in the process of letting citizens lawfully carry. Will it make a difference? If the gun control advocates are not successful in reversing the new law, it will be really interesting to watch. Is the new law being so hotly contested because some fear it WILL significantly reduce gun crime?
Police say about 5:30 p.m. on Dec. 3, a man walked into Modern Nails at 2645 E. Second St. and asked a female employee if she wanted to buy some diamonds. The man walked toward the front desk area and the woman replied that she had no money to buy diamonds.
A witness said the man then reached into his coat pocket and began to take out a silver-colored pistol.
At that moment, a woman who was getting her nails done reached into her purse and got her own firearm. Police say the man never fully raised the gun and left the building after seeing the customer had her weapon out.
Casper Police: Nail salon customer packs heat, gunman leaves
Conversely, you have to hunt long and hard to find an instance of gun crime committed by anybody packing a visible weaponlegal in New Mexico for instance though few door anybody packing a legally licensed concealed weapon.
But does anybody believe that 20 kindergarteners and 7 staff would be dead today at the Sandy Hook school if a half dozen or so teachers had weapons and were trained in how and when to use them?
Police officers receive extensive background checks and psychological evaluation before they are issued a firearm. There would be no problem with doing the same with any teachers who volunteered to be armed while on duty.
The firearms should be safely secured so that the teacher can get to them quickly but the students cannot. Any teacher who took a secured firearm out of its hiding place for any reason other than such an emergency as happened yesterday would of course be subject to immediately firing.
So to address your concern, there is no reason to think teachers are likely to be any more mentally unbalanced that professional security people. And I would think the risk to my child would be much less with a weapon in the hands of his/her teacher than it would be with a crazed gunman loose in the school and no means of stopping him.
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
So you devise a system that keeps the weapon away from the kids but the teacher can get to and utilize quickly. It wouldn't be rocket science. I can't believe that American technology is so rusty they couldn't figure out how to do it. But yesterday, I can't imagine any of us would not have wholeheartedly supported any teacher who managed to gun down the gunman before he murdered all those kids.
Whatever.
Your "point" was pointless, as any kind of crossfire would likely have ended in far fewer deaths than the slaughter that in fact occurred.
And just as easily some retard who fancies himself as Rambo could've added to the body count through crossfire and stupidity. Also that same idiot could ice a kid through an accidental discharge just having the gun in the classroom. Your crystal ball isn't the only one in the world.
Yep. Chicago has some of the most strict gun control laws in the country, but has one of the most violent record re gun crimes. So they are in the process of letting citizens lawfully carry. Will it make a difference? If the gun control advocates are not successful in reversing the new law, it will be really interesting to watch. Is the new law being so hotly contested because some fear it WILL significantly reduce gun crime?
Conversely, you have to hunt long and hard to find an instance of gun crime committed by anybody packing a visible weaponlegal in New Mexico for instance though few door anybody packing a legally licensed concealed weapon.
But does anybody believe that 20 kindergarteners and 7 staff would be dead today at the Sandy Hook school if a half dozen or so teachers had weapons and were trained in how and when to use them?
Yeah, crossfire would've made the situation much better.
Do you honestly think a possible stray bullet aimed at the murderer would in any way be worse than 20 little kids and 7 of their teachers/administrators gunned down in cold blood?
Yeah, crossfire would've made the situation much better.
Do you honestly think a possible stray bullet aimed at the murderer would in any way be worse than 20 little kids and 7 of their teachers/administrators gunned down in cold blood?
That stray bullet could've resulted in 21 little kids and 7 of their teachers/administrators gunned down in cold blood.
Police officers receive extensive background checks and psychological evaluation before they are issued a firearm. There would be no problem with doing the same with any teachers who volunteered to be armed while on duty.
The firearms should be safely secured so that the teacher can get to them quickly but the students cannot. Any teacher who took a secured firearm out of its hiding place for any reason other than such an emergency as happened yesterday would of course be subject to immediately firing.
So to address your concern, there is no reason to think teachers are likely to be any more mentally unbalanced that professional security people. And I would think the risk to my child would be much less with a weapon in the hands of his/her teacher than it would be with a crazed gunman loose in the school and no means of stopping him.
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
So you devise a system that keeps the weapon away from the kids but the teacher can get to and utilize quickly. It wouldn't be rocket science. I can't believe that American technology is so rusty they couldn't figure out how to do it. But yesterday, I can't imagine any of us would not have wholeheartedly supported any teacher who managed to gun down the gunman before he murdered all those kids.
Forgive me if this has already been asked, but do you think there'd be less people applying for teaching positions if applicants knew they'd be required to have a gun in the classroom or be required to attend firearms training as part of their formal training?
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
So you devise a system that keeps the weapon away from the kids but the teacher can get to and utilize quickly. It wouldn't be rocket science. I can't believe that American technology is so rusty they couldn't figure out how to do it. But yesterday, I can't imagine any of us would not have wholeheartedly supported any teacher who managed to gun down the gunman before he murdered all those kids.
Sure, that teacher would have been a hero, but then chances are good that the teacher in question would never have accomplished the heroic deeds you speak of without getting him/herself killed and maybe others.
I don't see your scenario as having a snowball's chance in Hell of happening. The guy didn't walk up to the room, knock on the door, say, "excuse me, I am stepping out and in 35 seconds I will return and kill all the children and teachers in the room". Unfortunately, I suspect those poor children were dead before one of the teachers could even have made it to her desk let alone find her keys to unlock the drawer in which the gun would have been stored.
Immie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqbv-aqoao&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I say yes. Of course proper precautions should be taken but lets allow administration officials to protect the children and themselves.
Okay folks, on top of your duties of educating these children so they can develop skills needed to usher them into life as an adult, you are also a security guard tasked with facing off against armed assailants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqbv-aqoao&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I say yes. Of course proper precautions should be taken but lets allow administration officials to protect the children and themselves.
I usually agree with you Grampa but not in this case. Protection of the children in the schools should be the only thing we are talking about today, but it should be done by specially trained law enforcement professionals and there should be at least 2 in each school. It should be federally funded and start Monday morning. The whole program could have been funded just from the waste of 1/2 a billion dollars on Solyndra.
Police officers receive extensive background checks and psychological evaluation before they are issued a firearm. There would be no problem with doing the same with any teachers who volunteered to be armed while on duty.
The firearms should be safely secured so that the teacher can get to them quickly but the students cannot. Any teacher who took a secured firearm out of its hiding place for any reason other than such an emergency as happened yesterday would of course be subject to immediately firing.
So to address your concern, there is no reason to think teachers are likely to be any more mentally unbalanced that professional security people. And I would think the risk to my child would be much less with a weapon in the hands of his/her teacher than it would be with a crazed gunman loose in the school and no means of stopping him.
Many, if not most people, who have guns are trained on how to use them and how to treat them safely. Would it surprise you to find out that Adam Lanza was trained in how to use them safely? It would not surprise me at all. From what I have heard, people who knew him are shocked that he would have done this. He simply snapped!
As to whether or not teachers would be anymore mentally unbalanced than professional security people, does it matter? You don't think professional security people can simply snap?
And as to the final bit about your child being safer with a teacher than a crazed gunman... well, first the chances of the teacher actually being able to stop him... remember, the guns are locked up and in this case I understand it was two classes in one room... how do you expect the teacher to get to the "gun cabinet", unlock the cabinet, prepare the weapon to fire (especially since the chances are very great that they would be required to keep the ammunition in a separate location) and shoot the assailant before he kills all the students and the teacher? Follow that up with the fact that a gun in the "home" school in this case, is more likely to hurt or kill a loved one than an intruder and I think you are opening up the floodgates to disaster rather than protecting the children.
Immie
So you devise a system that keeps the weapon away from the kids but the teacher can get to and utilize quickly. It wouldn't be rocket science. I can't believe that American technology is so rusty they couldn't figure out how to do it. But yesterday, I can't imagine any of us would not have wholeheartedly supported any teacher who managed to gun down the gunman before he murdered all those kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cqbv-aqoao&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I say yes. Of course proper precautions should be taken but lets allow administration officials to protect the children and themselves.
I hate to say this, but there are teachers out there that I think are the last people in the world that should have guns around children. I think most teachers would be more than capable of having a gun in the room and nothing ever happening, but do you want to risk that your grandchild's teacher is not the one that "snaps" next?
Kids can be pretty hard on teachers and push them to the limit and you want to put a gun in their reach at the crucial moment? If you ask me, you need to think that through more.
Immie
I hate to say this, but there are teachers out there that I think are the last people in the world that should have guns around children. I think most teachers would be more than capable of having a gun in the room and nothing ever happening, but do you want to risk that your grandchild's teacher is not the one that "snaps" next?
Kids can be pretty hard on teachers and push them to the limit and you want to put a gun in their reach at the crucial moment? If you ask me, you need to think that through more.
Immie
kids might be more respectful to a teacher that has an open carry
There is that!
However, I was no terror, but I was no angel either. I don't think as a kid, I would have even considered that as a problem. Remember, kids think that they are immortal. Also, I don't think we were talking about open carry... like that would ever pass!
Immie
