Antarctica undergoing severe and long-lasting heat wave

[EMH]

North America's ice age started 30-50 million years ago when North America was in the same location that Greenland is now. Once North America passed the "closest to the pole" position, it ceased moving NW and started moving SW, all on the same vector on the same sphere.

We're back to your "North America was covered with ice for the last 30-50 million years
until, 20,000 years ago or so, North America finally moved far enough away from the North Pole to thaw"?

Is that correct?

Indeed, the 600 miles from the pole issue works both ways.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

North American Ice Age started 30-50 million years ago and lasted until 10k or so years ago. Greenland was unfrozen at that time, moving NW to where it is today. Greenland's ice age is under 2 million years old. So when North America froze 30-50 million years ago, that did not change the status of Greenland being unfrozen until the past million or so years.

North American Ice Age started 30-50 million years ago and lasted until 10k or so years ago. Greenland was unfrozen at that time, moving NW to where it is today.

Cool. So where did you see that North America was frozen while Greenland was thawed at the same time?

Or are we depending on your made-up numbers?

 

[EMH]

North American Ice Age started 30-50 million years ago and lasted until 10k or so years ago. Greenland was unfrozen at that time, moving NW to where it is today.

Cool. So where did you see that North America was frozen while Greenland was thawed at the same time?

Or are we depending on your made-up numbers?

You've been destroyed on this issue before, citing a "study" that claims that wood left outside for 30k years had not yet decomposed...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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[Toddsterpatriot]

From the link provided...


What is the EVIDENCE???


1. LIFE

Any evidence of LIFE on Chicago for the past 50 million years .... NO

Any evidence of LIFE on Greenland.... YES

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green​

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com
The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetle

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature​

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

So it is fair to say that the ice covering Greenland started up north in the past 2 million years, got to the middle of Greenland 400-800k years ago, and flushed out the Vikings in the 1400s on the southern tip, since when the Vikings found the Southern Tip of Greenland, they called it GREENland because it was green and were able to farm there for centuries before the Greenland ice age pushed them off...


Any evidence of life on Antarctica?

antarctic dinosaurs 70 million years ago - Google Search
This Cretaceous period dinosaur lived about 70 million years ago, towards the end of the Mesozoic Era. A bipedal, long-necked, plant-eating dinosaur (a sauropod) was discovered in the Antarctic interior by William R. Hammer and his team in late 2003.


For the record, prior to 2010 nobody disputed that Antarctic ice was at least 40 million years old. McBullshit disputes that completely...


2. Speed of ice age glacier

Indeed, the data from Greenland above is the best data we have, since it is recent and conclusive. It took Greenland's ice age somewhere between 500k years and 2 million years from its beginning at the northern part of Greenland to get to where it is now.


That is WAY SLOWER than McBullshit suggests.


3. size of the glacier

Greenland's ice is not yet 2 miles thick anywhere. Below the Arctic Circle, Greenland's ice is under 1 mile thick.

Hence the claim of 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago being 75k years old is, well, NOT SUPPORTED BY DATA POINT GREENLAND at all.

Antarctica has 2.5 mile thick glacier. There is a dispute over the age of those too. McBullshit claims it is not that old and that while sitting on the South Pole Antarctica has frozen and thawed over and over like Dennis Quaid claimed in the movie "Day After Tomorrow"

4. ice cores

antarctic ice cores years - Google Search
The oldest continuous ice core records to date extend 123,000 years in Greenland and 800,000 years in Antarctica. Ice cores contain information about past temperature, and about many other aspects of the environment


And hence it is fair to say that the 2.5 mile thick glacier on Antarctica is WAY OLDER than 75k years... to put it mildly.

Even the Greenland ice is way older than that too, and it has yet to get to 2 miles thick



5. tectonic plate movement

Reiny recently claimed Greenland is part of North America. Not on my map. But it is on the SAME TECTONIC PLATE moving on the same vector because of the angle of the fault in the North Atlantic

north atlantic ocean floor map - Bing​

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

That fault has pushed Greenland NW and Europe SE for tens of millions of years, and hence explains why all of Europe's glaciers are melting while Greenland went into ice age. It was also pushing North America NW until NA got to its closest point to the pole, and then NA started moving SW on the SAME VECTOR on a SPHERE...

Accepting the 600 miles to the pole = your land entered an ice age

North America would have been in ice age for 30-50 million years, and would have been where Greenland is today 30-50 million years ago. The accepted date of that prior to 2010 was 50 million years...




Hence, the evidence that the glaciers on Chicago 2.5 miles thick were 75k years old is contrary to ALL DATA ON ICE AGES AND GLACIERS on the planet today.

The ice cores prove glaciers 2.5 miles thick TODAY are WAY OLDER than 75k years.

So is McBullshit wrong??


To me that is shockingly obvious. McBullshit is about fudging climate history after homO went silent

obama climate silence 2010 2012 - Google Search

Quote Reply EMH

Any evidence of LIFE on Chicago for the past 50 million years .... NO

If a glacier covered Chicago 75,000 years ago and scraped all the soil away,
why would there still be 50-million-year-old evidence?


The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetle


Now post your evidence that 450,000 to 800,000 years ago North America was frozen.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Indeed, the 600 miles from the pole issue works both ways.

Sure, it does. That must mean that 30,000 years ago, North America was still within
600 miles and 20,000 years ago, it wasn't.

So, post your evidence.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've been destroyed on this issue before, citing a "study" that claims that wood left outside for 30k years had not yet decomposed...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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Where did the study say "wood left outside"?

 

[EMH]

If a glacier covered Chicago 75,000 years ago and scraped all the soil away,
why would there still be 50-million-year-old evidence?

LOL!!!

We have Greenland dated 2 million years at the top and 400-800k years in the middle....

We have Antarctica with 70 million year old dinosaur fossils....

Yet somehow Chicago, according to you and McBULLSHIT, under ice for just 70k years or so, has no life left under the ice...

LOL!!!

 

[EMH]

Where did the study say "wood left outside"?

Post #31, your post, liar...

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Glaciation

Radiometric dating. Do you know what that means?

Your turn. Let's see your evidence of 20-50 million years of uninterrupted ice over Chicago

 

[EMH]

Sure, it does. That must mean that 30,000 years ago, North America was still within
600 miles and 20,000 years ago, it wasn't.

So, post your evidence.

Nice try. 5 million cubic miles of ice age glacier does not melt in a week, except if Dennis Quaide is doing another movie....

North American Ice Age took at least 1 million years to melt, perhaps much longer.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

We have Greenland dated 2 million years at the top and 400-800k years in the middle....

We have Antarctica with 70 million year old dinosaur fossils....

Yet somehow Chicago, according to you and McBULLSHIT, under ice for just 70k years or so, has no life left under the ice...

LOL!!!

We have Greenland dated 2 million years at the top and 400-800k years in the middle....

And your evidence that Chicago was under ice at that time????????

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Post #31, your post, liar...

Where did that say "wood left outside"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nice try. 5 million cubic miles of ice age glacier does not melt in a week, except if Dennis Quaide is doing another movie....

North American Ice Age took at least 1 million years to melt, perhaps much longer.

Who said a week?

Was it the voices in your head?

North American Ice Age took at least 1 million years to melt, perhaps much longer.

Perhaps you have evidence for this claim?

 

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That's the lie of the "glacials."

Greenland's ice cores show what??

That Greenland has added ice layers for hundreds of thousands of years. And during those hundreds of thousands of years, a lot of ice on North America melted.

The documentation of Greenland's ice is here...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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How many times do you believe Greenland has moved back and forth over the last 3 million years?

 

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Where did that say "wood left outside"?

So Wisconsin moved to the North pole and back?

When land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during the "summer," and hence starts to stack, which is the start of an ICE AGE which is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT.

 

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When land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during the "summer," and hence starts to stack, which is the start of an ICE AGE which is a CONTINENT SPECIFIC EVENT.

50 million years ago Antarctic was located directly over the south pole and was ice free. How was this possible?