Anti gun myths about armed good guys are again proven wrong in Walmart shooting...

[2aguy]

There was a shooting at a Walmart, two people were killed one injured.......Walmart allows concealed carry in their stores. The day this happened, when the shooting started, armed citizens drew their weapons...and held their positions and waited for the police to arrive.....they did not shoot the police, the did not shoot each other, they were not shot by the police who arrived......minutes later......

So, the anti gun myth about armed citizens and mass public shootings is shown to be a myth...again...just like the Dallas police shooting,and the Giffords shooting....

Armed citizens do not create problems for the police.....they do allow other people to survive...since the police are 3-5 minutes out during any shooting event.....

Colorado Walmart's Armed Innocents Hampered Police. Or Not. - The Truth About Guns

First, the police weren’t on scene when the killer fired his gun; they arrived after the perp had escaped. Second, the armed good guys didn’t shoot other armed good guys (no shots were fired by anyone other than the bad guy). And third, other reports indicate that the killer scarpered after he caught sight of armed opposition.

Given these facts one could easily argue that armed defenders prevented greater loss of life. And that all the anti-gun rights hysteria about the presence of armed innocents making\ cops’ jobs harder is a bunch of horsesh*t. I mean, how exactly did these armed Americans threaten public safety?

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Nine-point-nine times out of ten, the police are not the first responders to an act of violence. The innocent people being attacked are the first responders. The idea that they should be disarmed to make it easier for armed police to respond — most often after the fact — is to say that it’s OK to sacrifice innocent life on the altar of imagined efficiency. It isn’t.

Besides, as National Association for Gun Rights Prez Dudley Brown told the Times, “In that situation, what are people supposed to do? Lay down on the floor and draw chalk marks around themselves?”

 

[eflatminor]

Yes, true, but guns are evil. True story.

 

[Old Rocks]

Great. Get more guns out on the street. Then we can all stand around with guns in our hands and watch the people already shot gurgle their lives away.

 

[2aguy]

Great. Get more guns out on the street. Then we can all stand around with guns in our hands and watch the people already shot gurgle their lives away.

1st...read the first post in this thread....you are the type of moron I posted this thread about.....you posted something that isnt' true about normal gun owners...

2nd....the last 21 years of truth, reality and facts show you don't know what you are talking about....you hate guns, and gun owners, and won't let the truth change your mind...


We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Thank Obama! You never really understand rights until a foreign Resident plots to take them away.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Horse crap. The gunners at WM drew their weapons and huddled. The shooter walked away. True story.

 

[Dragonlady]

The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

 

[Peach]

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Thank Obama! You never really understand rights until a foreign Resident plots to take them away.

Melania or Ivana?

 

[2aguy]

Horse crap. The gunners at WM drew their weapons and huddled. The shooter walked away. True story.

So.....it isn't there job to be police. The guy left. Had he continued into the store they could have stopped him or slowed him down until the police arrived...instead of also being murdered.

 

[2aguy]

The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

And again, it isn't the guns that are the issue....and as also pointed out, Britain, Australia and Europe are seeing increases in violent crime, including guns crime....their gun laws didn't stop their criminals from getting guns, their criminals just didn't use guns to commit murder.

The only reason they haven't had more mass public shootings....is that their people haven't decided to do them...they have guns, and their gun laws won't stop them....

We have more people carrying guns, they have less....and our crime rates have gone down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[eflatminor]

The US has the highest gun death rate.

But no where near the highest murder rate. Not in the top 100 of countries.

So when Americans murder, they tend to use a firearm, as would any modern society. So what? Dead is dead. All those countries with higher murder rates and higher total crime rates have effectively banned civilian firearm ownership. Yet, they have more murders and more crime.

Your argument is ridiculous.

 

[2aguy]

The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent crime 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama...those are rapes, robberies and murders that are stopped........you never point that out....and throwing in suicide to the discussion, which is the big lie you guys tell, is dishonest and weak on your part....

 

[there4eyeM]

The 'myth' is that any expression of prudence regarding firearms is 'anti-gun'.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Horse crap. The gunners at WM drew their weapons and huddled. The shooter walked away. True story.

And that is EXACTLY what they should have done.

They were not cops and should not have chased anyone down with guns drawn.

Even when citizen gun owners do the right thing you criticize them

 

[2aguy]

The 'myth' is that any expression of prudence regarding firearms is 'anti-gun'.

No....the myth was explained......and debunked....the lawfully armed citizens drew their weapons and simply waited for the police....you morons tell us that they would start shooting, randomly, hitting innocent people and police, and that the police would start shooting them because they can't tell the difference between good guys and bad guys.....this is another event that did not happen that way......the myth is just that...a myth.

 

[Dragonlady]

The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent crime 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama...those are rapes, robberies and murders that are stopped........you never point that out....and throwing in suicide to the discussion, which is the big lie you guys tell, is dishonest and weak on your part....

Bullshit. If guns are protecting you you from rape, robbery, and murder, why do you have higher rates of all of these crimes than countries with restricted gun ownership?

There were over 470 mass shootings in the US last year. There was 1 in Canada. Every day a child dies from an accidental gun shot.

You go batshit crazy over Muslim terrorism and are willing to shut your borders to stop it, but mass shootings like Las Vegas are just as traumatic and terrorizing as any idealogical based terrorism. And you do nothing to stop them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent crime 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama...those are rapes, robberies and murders that are stopped........you never point that out....and throwing in suicide to the discussion, which is the big lie you guys tell, is dishonest and weak on your part....

Bullshit. If guns are protecting you you from rape, robbery, and murder, why do you have higher rates of all of these crimes than countries with restricted gun ownership?

There were over 470 mass shootings in the US last year. There was 1 in Canada. Every day a child dies from an accidental gun shot.

You go batshit crazy over Muslim terrorism and are willing to shut your borders to stop it, but mass shootings like Las Vegas are just as traumatic and terrorizing as any idealogical based terrorism. And you do nothing to stop them.

We don't have higher rates of rape or robbery.

Our murder rate is skewed by a handful of urban shitholes where criminals are killing other criminals

 

[BlueGin]

Horse crap. The gunners at WM drew their weapons and huddled. The shooter walked away. True story.

And that is EXACTLY what they should have done.

They were not cops and should not have chased anyone down with guns drawn.

Even when citizen gun owners do the right thing you criticize them

That is because liberals prefer a mass shooting. Better for their agenda.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The alt right looniness continues.

The fact is the US has the highest gun death rate in the world.

The fact is the CCW huddled in place at Wal-Mart and did not interfere.

The fact is the shooter strolled away.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The alt right looniness continues.

The fact is the US has the highest gun death rate in the world.

The fact is the CCW huddled in place at Wal-Mart and did not interfere.

The fact is the shooter strolled away.

And if any armed citizens had intervened you would have accused them of being vigilantes

They did exact what any citizen should have done.