Anti gun myths about armed good guys are again proven wrong in Walmart shooting...

With all the gun bunny agitprop, they can't get around the US gun violence and death rate far exceed that of the UK.


Yeah...since their gun crime is going through the roof since they banned and confiscated guns, the exact opposite of what they promised when they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun murder rate, went up, not down.......

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.





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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...f-destruction-as-cowboy-builder-a3668551.html

Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
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Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."


 
With all the gun bunny agitprop, they can't get around the US gun violence and death rate far exceed that of the UK.

All gun bunnies do is keep posting material that is not applicable.
 
Great. Get more guns out on the street. Then we can all stand around with guns in our hands and watch the people already shot gurgle their lives away.
No ones is forcing you into firearm ownership, Other peoples firearms are none of your business… Shit for brains
 
The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.
Lol
Are you stupid in the head? Only place in the US where the violence is, is in urban areas you stupid bitch.
Firearms do not kill people, people kill people, firearms have no control over people. Shit for brains
 
The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.

Haven't you been paying attention? Outlaw guns and we will have to outlaw rental trucks next!
 
The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.


And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent crime 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama...those are rapes, robberies and murders that are stopped........you never point that out....and throwing in suicide to the discussion, which is the big lie you guys tell, is dishonest and weak on your part....

Bullshit. If guns are protecting you you from rape, robbery, and murder, why do you have higher rates of all of these crimes than countries with restricted gun ownership?

There were over 470 mass shootings in the US last year. There was 1 in Canada. Every day a child dies from an accidental gun shot.

You go batshit crazy over Muslim terrorism and are willing to shut your borders to stop it, but mass shootings like Las Vegas are just as traumatic and terrorizing as any idealogical based terrorism. And you do nothing to stop them.
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

More frivolous gun laws will not save a single soul. You foolish bitch
 
The US has the highest gun death rate of any first world country, as well as the highest rate of gun ownership. That hasn’t changed. Nor will it.

You keep saying guns keep you safe and yet no country has the rate of mass shootings, school shootings, and overall violence of the US.

So keep believing the steaming pile of crap the NRA is selling. Because no matter how you spin it, you’re still dying in much greater numbers, and victims of greater numbers of violent crimes than any First Nation in the world.


And Americans use their legal guns to stop violent crime 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama...those are rapes, robberies and murders that are stopped........you never point that out....and throwing in suicide to the discussion, which is the big lie you guys tell, is dishonest and weak on your part....

Bullshit. If guns are protecting you you from rape, robbery, and murder, why do you have higher rates of all of these crimes than countries with restricted gun ownership?

There were over 470 mass shootings in the US last year. There was 1 in Canada. Every day a child dies from an accidental gun shot.

You go batshit crazy over Muslim terrorism and are willing to shut your borders to stop it, but mass shootings like Las Vegas are just as traumatic and terrorizing as any idealogical based terrorism. And you do nothing to stop them.
We don't have higher rates of rape or robbery.

Our murder rate is skewed by a handful of urban shitholes where criminals are killing other criminals

No it’s not. Even if you take out the so-called urban crime, your murder rate is still much higher than any other first world country. And mass murders, are a mostly white crime, as are spree killings.




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Urban areas, progressive controlled areas is where all the violent crime is. You really shouldn’t throw rocks in your glass house. LOL
 
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Your list doesn’t include mass shootings of family members either. This is one of the great sources of mass shootings. If you only count a mass shooting in a public place you can make it seem that gun violence isn’t that bad. That families with an abusive male head of household aren’t 7 times more likely to end up dead if said abusive male owns a gun.

You’ll go to any length to downplay the costs in human life that unrestricted gun ownership has wrought.
We have much bigger fish to fry… 2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America
 
More than 20 dead in a church near San Antone.

Gun bunny laws don't work.

Rustic's way is clear failure.
 
More than 20 dead in a church near San Antone.

Gun bunny laws don't work.

Rustic's way is clear failure.

I hereby declare that the term '
With all the gun bunny agitprop, they can't get around the US gun violence and death rate far exceed that of the UK.

All gun bunnies do is keep posting material that is not applicable.

Bunnies would have less to fear if they were armed. Without guns, bunnies are food for those with guns.
 
Tough, Leo. Your loose gun laws are responsible for whackos getting guns. The gun bunnies have problems coming up.
 
Tough, Leo. Your loose gun laws are responsible for whackos getting guns. The gun bunnies have problems coming up.

Ya and loose truck rental laws are responsible for islamist whackos mowing down innocent people. Loose knife regulations have caused other radicals to slice/stab innocent people. Loose driver's license regulations must be responsible for the outrageous car deaths that far outnumber any deaths by users of guns. Tell you what, let's just outlaw anything that has ever caused another human being's death. Hands are a big culprit....Let's just handcuff everyone...you never know who could be a strangler.
 
Leo, your confirmation bias and fallacy of false equivalency trip you up, gun bunny.
 
Leo, your confirmation bias and fallacy of false equivalency trip you up, gun bunny.

Jake, your empty accusations and lack of any kind of pertinent response have caused you to fall flat on your face in this discussion. Your little made up names are cute but foolish. Are you an armed or unarmed bunny? :Boom2::crybaby::dig:
 
Leo, your confirmation bias and fallacy of false equivalency trip you up, gun bunny.

Jake, your empty accusations and lack of any kind of pertinent response have caused you to fall flat on your face in this discussion. Your little made up names are cute but foolish. Are you an armed or unarmed bunny? :Boom2::crybaby::dig:
That is you talking to the mirror, buddy. I am armed iaw the law. The difference is I am sane and principled. You . . . meh.
 
Are more guns helpful? In Wal-Mart shooting, armed shoppers hinder police investigation

Are more guns helpful? In Wal-Mart shooting, armed shoppers hinder police investigation

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But police in Thornton, Colo., said that in this case the well-intentioned gun carriers set the stage for chaos, stalling efforts to capture the suspect in the Wednesday night shooting that killed three people.

None of the armed civilians fired their weapons, and the suspect managed to flee the store"
 
tough, Leo :)

the gun bunnies' way has failed


Was the church a gun free zone...I know mine is, so if a guy came in to murder people it would take police about 5 minutes to get there.....
 

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