Anti gunners prefer dead children to gun safety programs...ask gabby gifford's husband...

[rightwinger]

They are the weapon of choice in two thirds of our murders

That's misleading, 75% of gun deaths are gang related and that figure doesn't account for justifiable homicide

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That's misleading, 75% of gun deaths are gang related and that figure doesn't account for justifiable homicide

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

 

[Brain357]

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

Not backing up your claim is very telling.

 

[2aguy]

Why don't we just teach children that guns are a scourge on our country?

We should start by teaching all children about Sandy Hook. Once a year on the anniversary of Sandy Hook, shut down school and explain to children about how many six year olds died there and how the evil NRA blocked anything from being done about it

Because it doesn't work? Because we've tried that, and it failed? Because the NRA defended those children's rights to actually defend themselves when they are older, and not be helpless animals like you wanted?

NRA drone....whatever is proposed claim "Won't work, won't work, won't work"

Even though it DOES WORK in most of the world

It doesn't work in most of the world......the terrorists in france got all the guns they wanted and grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher ...dittos the shooter in Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Sweden as well as the gun criminals in Britain and Australia.......

Background checks, gun registration and magazine limits do not work.......ever......here or overseas.....

France has one fifth of our murder rate

Try again

France has always had 1/5 our murder rate...oh...except for that short time when nazis were murdering 12 million people....which puts Europes murder rate far above ours...

 

[2aguy]

Guns are designed as hazardous implements that propel lead at astonishing speed. And they are all designed to kill.

Amazing isn't it.. Even a nutter like 2A can't come out and acknowledge that guns are made to kill people, animals, whatever needs killing.
What the fuck is wrong with gun nutters?

There are lots of ways to defend yourself. But to defend yourself against another person with a gun you have to have a gun yourself to kill them with. Hand guns are made for killing, they ain't good for nottin else. Lynard Skynard knew that story 30 years ago

Guns are made to save the life of the user....that is what they are made for to save lives.....

 

[2aguy]

here you go this article looks at gang crime in major cities...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

Chicago’s murder numbers have hit that magic 500. Baltimore’s murder toll has passed 200. In Philly, it’s up to 324, the highest since 2007. In Detroit, it’s approaching 400, another record. In New Orleans, it’s almost at 200. New York City is down to 414 from 508. In Los Angeles, it’s over 500. In St. Louis it’s 113 and 130 in Oakland. It’s 121 in Memphis and 76 in Birmingham.

Washington, D.C., home of the boys and girls who can solve it all, is nearing its own big 100.

Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we haven’t even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland........


A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.

Chicago’s problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.

 

[Brain357]

Guns are designed as hazardous implements that propel lead at astonishing speed. And they are all designed to kill.

Amazing isn't it.. Even a nutter like 2A can't come out and acknowledge that guns are made to kill people, animals, whatever needs killing.
What the fuck is wrong with gun nutters?

There are lots of ways to defend yourself. But to defend yourself against another person with a gun you have to have a gun yourself to kill them with. Hand guns are made for killing, they ain't good for nottin else. Lynard Skynard knew that story 30 years ago

Guns are made to save the life of the user....that is what they are made for to save lives.....

No they are not. The owner of the gun is killed by his own gun in most cases. That is not a life saver. Body armor is made to save lives, guns are made to kill.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are designed as hazardous implements that propel lead at astonishing speed. And they are all designed to kill.

Amazing isn't it.. Even a nutter like 2A can't come out and acknowledge that guns are made to kill people, animals, whatever needs killing.
What the fuck is wrong with gun nutters?

There are lots of ways to defend yourself. But to defend yourself against another person with a gun you have to have a gun yourself to kill them with. Hand guns are made for killing, they ain't good for nottin else. Lynard Skynard knew that story 30 years ago

Guns are made to save the life of the user....that is what they are made for to save lives.....

No they are not. The owner of the gun is killed by his own gun in most cases. That is not a life saver. Body armor is made to save lives, guns are made to kill.

that is a lie brain.....there are over 320 million guns in private hands and only 22,000 suicides with guns.

Guns are made to save the life of the user...just ask the 1.6 million Americans who use them to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives.....combine the gun murder rate and the suicide rate...which you guys do any way to increase your death numbers p, and it doesn't come close to even tho lowest of the numbers found in the gun studies....


so yes......guns in he hand of good guys save more lives than they take...

 

[Brain357]

Guns are designed as hazardous implements that propel lead at astonishing speed. And they are all designed to kill.

Amazing isn't it.. Even a nutter like 2A can't come out and acknowledge that guns are made to kill people, animals, whatever needs killing.
What the fuck is wrong with gun nutters?

There are lots of ways to defend yourself. But to defend yourself against another person with a gun you have to have a gun yourself to kill them with. Hand guns are made for killing, they ain't good for nottin else. Lynard Skynard knew that story 30 years ago

Guns are made to save the life of the user....that is what they are made for to save lives.....

No they are not. The owner of the gun is killed by his own gun in most cases. That is not a life saver. Body armor is made to save lives, guns are made to kill.

that is a lie brain.....there are over 320 million guns in private hands and only 22,000 suicides with guns.

Guns are made to save the life of the user...just ask the 1.6 million Americans who use them to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives.....combine the gun murder rate and the suicide rate...which you guys do any way to increase your death numbers p, and it doesn't come close to even tho lowest of the numbers found in the gun studies....


so yes......guns in he hand of good guys save more lives than they take...

Not a lie. The group most killed by guns is the owner himself about 22,000. Then criminals kill innocent people about 9,000. Then criminals killed in defense about 230.

You have no proof they save more than 22,000 lives. Zero. But please link anything that says how many lives they save.

 

[2aguy]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

for my use.....


Brain....there are 1.6 million times that a gun is used to stop or prevent a violent criminal attack.....in a violent attack we get to include that attack as a life saved......we can't let the attack go forward to see what if....but anytime there is a violent attack the chance of death is there....when a gun is used a life is saved .....

 

[2aguy]

Brain...the Bueraeu of Justice statistics puts scumbags killed by good guys at 600, not 230....

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

 

[Moonglow]

There is little doubt that anti-gun liberals are hypocrites and use the issue for political purposes. Infamous anti-gun politician Teddy Kennedy's body guard was arrested trying to enter the Senate Office Building with unregistered illegal fully automatic weapons. The case was quietly dismissed by a friendly judge who probably packed a gun under his robes. The left even tried to blame Rush Limbaugh for the Gifford shooting. The local sheriff was all over the media with wild accusations until it was revealed that the maniac was a left winger and his family was well known as democrat party supporters of the sheriff who turned his head when the kid got in trouble. As a matter of fact the liberal media is careful to avoid discussing the fact that every mass shooter in modern history was a left winger.

The Amish are liberals?

 

[Brain357]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

for my use.....


Brain....there are 1.6 million times that a gun is used to stop or prevent a violent criminal attack.....in a violent attack we get to include that attack as a life saved......we can't let the attack go forward to see what if....but anytime there is a violent attack the chance of death is there....when a gun is used a life is saved .....

There are only 9,000 homicides in the whole country. Gun owners are a minority. The most they could possibly be defending is under 9,000. Sorry.

 

[2aguy]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

for my use.....


Brain....there are 1.6 million times that a gun is used to stop or prevent a violent criminal attack.....in a violent attack we get to include that attack as a life saved......we can't let the attack go forward to see what if....but anytime there is a violent attack the chance of death is there....when a gun is used a life is saved .....

There are only 9,000 homicides in the whole country. Gun owners are a minority. The most they could possibly be defending is under 9,000. Sorry.

Brain....you need to use yours....what part of 1.6 million is used to STOP or PREVENT a violent criminal attack...which means the violent criminal attack was stopped....no completed.......

and the majority of those gun murders (there are a lot more than 9,000 murders in the country, only 9,000 on average are gun murders) almost all of them are gang related or related to criminal activity related to gangs....and drug dealers in inner city, multi block areas......

 

[2aguy]

Life preservers, seat belts, air bags, parachutes. These items are designed to save lives. Guns are designed as hazardous implements that propel lead at astonishing speed. And they are all designed to kill.

They are the weapon of choice in two thirds of our murders

That's misleading, 75% of gun deaths are gang related and that figure doesn't account for justifiable homicide

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

Well let's fix that......

ABC News extremely misleading report on dangers of guns in homes Instead of asking neighbors if they own guns ask them if a gang member lives there - Crime Prevention Research Center


Their report makes it look like these accidents involve young children, but the numbers are driven by 17, 18, and 19 year olds, overwhelmingly blacks in gangs.

According to the CDC about 80% of the firearm injuries are related to violent crime, not accidents or self harm. Overwhelmingly 17, 18, and 19 year olds, overwhelmingly injuries related to violent crime, and overwhelmingly black unfortunately is related to gangs, particularly drug gangs. Requiring your average family to lock up their guns or to scare them into not owning them, isn’t going to stop incidents involving violent crime or drug gangs. Indeed, disarming people will make this problem worse.

First take two figures from the paper at Pediatrics. The figure clearly shows that the hospitalization rate from firearm injuries due to all causes is about 13 times higher for black males than white males who are 15 to 19 years old (Click on figure to make it larger).


But the breakdown within the 15 to 19 year old age group is extremely heavily titled towards the older ages. For example, in 2012, 76% of injuries were for those under age 20 were for 17, 18, and 19 year olds. 57% of injuries were for those under age 20 were for 18 and 19 year olds. The Pediatrics article doesn’t supply the year-by-year of age for hospitalizations for firearm injuries, but the article shows an even higher percent of firearm injuries involving 15 to 19 year olds — 84%.


The numbers from the CDC for firearm injuries in 2009 would be 12,057. That is greater than the 7,391 hospitalizations from such injuries reported in the paper at Pediatrics. But there is another important consideration. Firearm injuries involving gangs are more serious than for others, simply because gang members with injuries only go to hospitals when those injuries are very serious. What this implies is that true share of hospitalizations for 17, 18, and 19 year olds out of those under 20 is even greater than 76 percent.

 

[rightwinger]

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

You make a claim .....you are responsible for the source

I can only assume there isn't one

 

[rightwinger]

Why don't we just teach children that guns are a scourge on our country?

We should start by teaching all children about Sandy Hook. Once a year on the anniversary of Sandy Hook, shut down school and explain to children about how many six year olds died there and how the evil NRA blocked anything from being done about it

Because it doesn't work? Because we've tried that, and it failed? Because the NRA defended those children's rights to actually defend themselves when they are older, and not be helpless animals like you wanted?

NRA drone....whatever is proposed claim "Won't work, won't work, won't work"

Even though it DOES WORK in most of the world

It doesn't work in most of the world......the terrorists in france got all the guns they wanted and grenades and a rocket propelled grenade launcher ...dittos the shooter in Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Sweden as well as the gun criminals in Britain and Australia.......

Background checks, gun registration and magazine limits do not work.......ever......here or overseas.....

France has one fifth of our murder rate

Try again

France has always had 1/5 our murder rate...oh...except for that short time when nazis were murdering 12 million people....which puts Europes murder rate far above ours...

They have never had 300 million guns at their disposal

 

[2aguy]

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

You make a claim .....you are responsible for the source

I can only assume there isn't one

According to the CDC about 80% of the firearm injuries are related to violent crime, not accidents or self harm. Overwhelmingly 17, 18, and 19 year olds, overwhelmingly injuries related to violent crime, and overwhelmingly black unfortunately is related to gangs, particularly drug gangs. Requiring your average family to lock up their guns or to scare them into not owning them, isn’t going to stop incidents involving violent crime or drug gangs. Indeed, disarming peoplewill make this problem worse.

There you go........

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

Not backing up your claim is very telling.

What's telling is you're another limp wrist terrified of a mean old gun.

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

If you would Google it the links are endless and they range from 70-80% as being gang related. If you don't realize the vast majority of gun deaths are gang related you must be one of the most clueless and least informed individuals in the US

Provide a credible source

After all.....it is your claim

Listen up you tiny little nothing. You can easily Google it (and I suspect you already have). I do not take direction from liberal girly men and the simple fact of life is you and your ilk are fighting a battle you will never win in gun control. Time after time after time you have been stuffed at every effort you have made. It's a Constitutional amendment and you will never get past that fact. I suggest you learn to deal with it because you'll NEVER get it done.

You make a claim .....you are responsible for the source

I can only assume there isn't one

Well 2Aguy provided two....see what happens when you ASSume, limp wrist?

 

[rightwinger]

They are the weapon of choice in two thirds of our murders

That's misleading, 75% of gun deaths are gang related and that figure doesn't account for justifiable homicide

Please provide a link

It's from 2012 but close enough.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dg...snt-have-a-gun-problem-it-has-a-gang-problem/

I actually read that rant about cities having a lot of murders. But it says nothing about gangs being responsible for 75% of the murders

Why did you post it?

Well let's fix that......

ABC News extremely misleading report on dangers of guns in homes Instead of asking neighbors if they own guns ask them if a gang member lives there - Crime Prevention Research Center


Their report makes it look like these accidents involve young children, but the numbers are driven by 17, 18, and 19 year olds, overwhelmingly blacks in gangs.

According to the CDC about 80% of the firearm injuries are related to violent crime, not accidents or self harm. Overwhelmingly 17, 18, and 19 year olds, overwhelmingly injuries related to violent crime, and overwhelmingly black unfortunately is related to gangs, particularly drug gangs. Requiring your average family to lock up their guns or to scare them into not owning them, isn’t going to stop incidents involving violent crime or drug gangs. Indeed, disarming people will make this problem worse.

First take two figures from the paper at Pediatrics. The figure clearly shows that the hospitalization rate from firearm injuries due to all causes is about 13 times higher for black males than white males who are 15 to 19 years old (Click on figure to make it larger).


But the breakdown within the 15 to 19 year old age group is extremely heavily titled towards the older ages. For example, in 2012, 76% of injuries were for those under age 20 were for 17, 18, and 19 year olds. 57% of injuries were for those under age 20 were for 18 and 19 year olds. The Pediatrics article doesn’t supply the year-by-year of age for hospitalizations for firearm injuries, but the article shows an even higher percent of firearm injuries involving 15 to 19 year olds — 84%.


The numbers from the CDC for firearm injuries in 2009 would be 12,057. That is greater than the 7,391 hospitalizations from such injuries reported in the paper at Pediatrics. But there is another important consideration. Firearm injuries involving gangs are more serious than for others, simply because gang members with injuries only go to hospitals when those injuries are very serious. What this implies is that true share of hospitalizations for 17, 18, and 19 year olds out of those under 20 is even greater than 76 percent.

Your rambling unrelated cut and paste does nothing to prove that 75% of murders are from gangs

It is becoming obvious that you are making it up