@Anyone @Everyone | Name a Half Dozen Left Wing Extremists in Congress

[blackhawk]

[MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION] congratulations on asking me if I could list moderates in Congress. I believe I could.

So why didn't you? I think you would be hard pressed to find moderates on either side right now both the left and the right are driving them out Marco Rubio despite being a Tea Party favorite is fairly moderate from the right from the left I would put Claire McCaskill

Moderate from the right and moderate from the left? I must say that is a very unique way of putting it. At least I've never heatd things phrased that way.

As to why I didn't list in my last response, I prefer a serious discussion in another thread...onecaway from the house trolls.

Both parties do have some moderates but right now they are getting drowned out and pushed out by the extremes of their respective parties it will swing back the other way it's just a question of how long it will take the last two Presidents being very polarizing has not helped with that.

 

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So why didn't you? I think you would be hard pressed to find moderates on either side right now both the left and the right are driving them out Marco Rubio despite being a Tea Party favorite is fairly moderate from the right from the left I would put Claire McCaskill

Moderate from the right and moderate from the left? I must say that is a very unique way of putting it. At least I've never heatd things phrased that way.

As to why I didn't list in my last response, I prefer a serious discussion in another thread...onecaway from the house trolls.

Both parties do have some moderates but right now they are getting drowned out and pushed out by the extremes of their respective parties it will swing back the other way it's just a question of how long it will take the last two Presidents being very polarizing has not helped with that.

President Obama's supporters were polarizing in the 2008 primaries and in the general and that led to Obama being polarizing just by his presence if not his actions. It started with Clinton and WBush and now Obama. The elites have found a way to keep fools occupied...but we would at first disagree on whom these elites are exactly.

 

[blackhawk]

Moderate from the right and moderate from the left? I must say that is a very unique way of putting it. At least I've never heatd things phrased that way.

As to why I didn't list in my last response, I prefer a serious discussion in another thread...onecaway from the house trolls.

Both parties do have some moderates but right now they are getting drowned out and pushed out by the extremes of their respective parties it will swing back the other way it's just a question of how long it will take the last two Presidents being very polarizing has not helped with that.

President Obama's supporters were polarizing in the 2008 primaries and in the general and that led to Obama being polarizing just by his presence if not his actions. It started with Clinton and WBush and now Obama. The elites have found a way to keep fools occupied...but we would at first disagree on whom these elites are exactly.

it will be interesting to see who the parties nominate in 2016 I think the Republicans will go with either Rubio or Christie outside of Hillary I'm not sure where the Democrats would go but were still a long way from this.

 

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Both parties do have some moderates but right now they are getting drowned out and pushed out by the extremes of their respective parties it will swing back the other way it's just a question of how long it will take the last two Presidents being very polarizing has not helped with that.

President Obama's supporters were polarizing in the 2008 primaries and in the general and that led to Obama being polarizing just by his presence if not his actions. It started with Clinton and WBush and now Obama. The elites have found a way to keep fools occupied...but we would at first disagree on whom these elites are exactly.

it will be interesting to see who the parties nominate in 2016 I think the Republicans will go with either Rubio or Christie outside of Hillary I'm not sure where the Democrats would go but were still a long way from this.

Agree on the long way out. Hillary scenario? If her people do what Rove/Bush did in 2000 and dry up all the funding for any other candidates, she gets the nod to run. Her people screwed up in 2008, yet Obama just squeaked by her challenging party rules and more.

Dante predicts if there is even one strong candidate that has funding Hillary will not risk her legacy, unless...

The GOP field is wide open but Dante predicts a set of drastic actions to tighten it up

That said, anyone who makes serious predictions this far out is a loser or a media whore...or both

 

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The right wing thinks you're an extremist if you don't want to shut down the government.

 

[blackhawk]

The right wing thinks you're an extremist if you don't want to shut down the government.

The left wing thinks your extremist if you actually want to address the national debt instead of pushing the problem down the road by raising the debt ceiling yet again.

 

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[MENTION=42380]OriginalShroom[/MENTION]

Schumer
Boxer
Feinstein
Durbin
Reid
Coons
Mikulski
Franken
Brown - Ohio


And that is just from the Senate...

Hmmm, name moderates...

baucas, manchin, Begich, Johnson, reed, pryor.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're fibbing.

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

about what?

The nature of extremism.

 

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[MENTION=42380]OriginalShroom[/MENTION]

Schumer
Boxer
Feinstein
Durbin
Reid
Coons
Mikulski
Franken
Brown - Ohio


And that is just from the Senate...

Hmmm, name moderates...

baucas, manchin, Begich, Johnson, reed, pryor.....

Hmm... you stepped up

 

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You're fibbing.

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

about what?

The nature of extremism.

Yeah right, I left the Democratic party because of threats of moderates taking over levers of....oh never mond.

 

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The right wing thinks you're an extremist if you don't want to shut down the government.

The left wing thinks your extremist if you actually want to address the national debt instead of pushing the problem down the road by raising the debt ceiling yet again.

Who is proposing doing nothing with the national debt? Even people who support a temporary increase (increase being a relative term here) want to lower the debt as the economy improves. Why are you [MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION] being so disingenuous on this one?

We've been here before. Paul Krugman: GOP Debt Ceiling Strategy Is 'Hostage Taking'

 

[blackhawk]

The right wing thinks you're an extremist if you don't want to shut down the government.

The left wing thinks your extremist if you actually want to address the national debt instead of pushing the problem down the road by raising the debt ceiling yet again.

Who is proposing doing nothing with the national debt? Even people who support a temporary increase (increase being a relative term here) want to lower the debt as the economy improves. Why are you [MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION] being so disingenuous on this one?

We've been here before. Paul Krugman: GOP Debt Ceiling Strategy Is 'Hostage Taking'

Because we have been down this road many times before you know that as well as I do it's the same story with the same ending kick the can down the road six months to a year then do it again and again and again.Neither party is overly interested in dealing with this problem the Democrats simply seem less interested in dealing with it in my view which I'm basing on the fact anytime you mention major spending cuts as part of the solution you get vilified as hating the elderly, the poor, and children.

 

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The left wing thinks your extremist if you actually want to address the national debt instead of pushing the problem down the road by raising the debt ceiling yet again.

Who is proposing doing nothing with the national debt? Even people who support a temporary increase (increase being a relative term here) want to lower the debt as the economy improves. Why are you [MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION] being so disingenuous on this one?

We've been here before. Paul Krugman: GOP Debt Ceiling Strategy Is 'Hostage Taking'

Because we have been down this road many times before you know that as well as I do it's the same story with the same ending kick the can down the road six months to a year then do it again and again and again.Neither party is overly interested in dealing with this problem the Democrats simply seem less interested in dealing with it in my view which I'm basing on the fact anytime you mention major spending cuts as part of the solution you get vilified as hating the elderly, the poor, and children.

Democrats? All of them? A majority or a minority? Did President Obama offer cuts?

I know nothing is as simple as many portray it. But do Tea Party Congress people have to keep calling taxes "theft"? Is any of this deniable...

Obama quickly pushed back, insisting that he would only move on entitlements if Republicans did the same on new tax revenues.

"I’m not Charlie Brown with a football," Obama told Ellison, according to Politico. "I haven’t heard anything from Republicans on revenue, so Keith, you can relax." Obama Reassures House Democrats On Cuts To Social Security, Medicare

Obama renews budget offer to cut social safety nets
By Richard Cowan
WASHINGTON | Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:03pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama raised anew the issue of cutting entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security as a way out of damaging budget cuts, a White House official said on Sunday, as both sides in Washington tried to limit a fiscal crisis that may soon hit millions of Americans.

A bit more information has trickled out over the last few days detailing the exact state of the budget negotiations when they collapsed. Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They’d already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion — so, 17 percent — of the package be tax increases. And that’s when Republicans walked.

So the Democrats are proposing 17% tax increases, 83% spending cuts, and the Republicans are rejecting it. *Well, this just forces us to ask: What’s the ideal conservative Republican ratio here? :::: Some guy's blog Republicans Reject the Republican Offer on Deficit Cutting Mix, or Democrats Propose the AEI Plan on Tax Increases vs Spending Cuts | Rortybomb

[This week the President offered Republicans a corporate tax reform plan that basically gives them everything they want (before negotiations even begin,) in exchange for please allow We the People to have some jobs and infrastructure and education. The Republican leadership pre-demanded additional tax cuts for the wealthy, while rejecting out-of-hand the idea that government should do anything to help the economy or people. Tea Party Republicans went further, saying taxes are theft and and government is socialism, and demanding an end to or at least drastic reductions in government programs that help people, plus the repeal of Obamacare, or they will both shut down the government and force a default when the debt-ceiling is reached. July 2013. President Offers To Give Republicans The Store, They Demand More

 

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Who is proposing doing nothing with the national debt? Even people who support a temporary increase (increase being a relative term here) want to lower the debt as the economy improves. Why are you [MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION] being so disingenuous on this one?

We've been here before. Paul Krugman: GOP Debt Ceiling Strategy Is 'Hostage Taking'

Because we have been down this road many times before you know that as well as I do it's the same story with the same ending kick the can down the road six months to a year then do it again and again and again.Neither party is overly interested in dealing with this problem the Democrats simply seem less interested in dealing with it in my view which I'm basing on the fact anytime you mention major spending cuts as part of the solution you get vilified as hating the elderly, the poor, and children.

Democrats? All of them? A majority or a minority? Did President Obama offer cuts?

I know nothing is as simple as many portray it. But do Tea Party Congress people have to keep calling taxes "theft"? Is any of this deniable...



Obama renews budget offer to cut social safety nets
By Richard Cowan
WASHINGTON | Sun Mar 3, 2013 6:03pm EST

A bit more information has trickled out over the last few days detailing the exact state of the budget negotiations when they collapsed. Both sides, as they often said, were shooting for about $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. They’d already agreed on around $1 trillion in spending cuts and were making good progress on the rest of it. But Democrats insisted that $400 billion — so, 17 percent — of the package be tax increases. And that’s when Republicans walked.

So the Democrats are proposing 17% tax increases, 83% spending cuts, and the Republicans are rejecting it. *Well, this just forces us to ask: What’s the ideal conservative Republican ratio here? :::: Some guy's blog Republicans Reject the Republican Offer on Deficit Cutting Mix, or Democrats Propose the AEI Plan on Tax Increases vs Spending Cuts | Rortybomb

[This week the President offered Republicans a corporate tax reform plan that basically gives them everything they want (before negotiations even begin,) in exchange for please allow We the People to have some jobs and infrastructure and education. The Republican leadership pre-demanded additional tax cuts for the wealthy, while rejecting out-of-hand the idea that government should do anything to help the economy or people. Tea Party Republicans went further, saying taxes are theft and and government is socialism, and demanding an end to or at least drastic reductions in government programs that help people, plus the repeal of Obamacare, or they will both shut down the government and force a default when the debt-ceiling is reached. July 2013. President Offers To Give Republicans The Store, They Demand More

That might work IF Obama did not ALREADY get his tax increase. You see, the dems already got what they wanted and then refused to deal further unless they got MORE tax increases.

To leave that out is simply dishonest. The left did what they normally do – call for tax increases for future spending cuts. The problem was that they also continued on the follow through that they normally do as well; refuse to do the cuts after the tax increases go into effect.

Obama already got his increases, the statements you quoted are dishonest claims by the left to ignore that fact and try to refocus the blame back on the republicans even after the ball was in the left’s court.

 

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The ball was in the left's court? What are you talking about, the left?

"Keep in mind that the trillion dollars that we cut, you know, was a painful exercise," the president said when asked what he'd be willing to compromise in order to finally reach a "grand bargain" on the 2013 federal budget, which remains in limbo, save for a recently-passed continuing resolution. "There are some programs that are worthy, but we just can't afford right now."

Mr. Obama's plan for reducing the deficit would cut $2.50 in spending allowances for every $1 of increased tax revenue - the same deal House Republicans turned down during last year's near-government shutdown episode. When Pelley reminded him of that, the president reasoned, "That's part of what this election's about," adding that GOP nominee Mitt Romney told "Face the Nation" in June he stood by an earlier pledge not to raise taxes, even if it meant... http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=sundaymorning&catid=57508978&feed_id=33

 

[Billo_Really]

Wtf is this a damned test?

You wanted 6 Far Left Liberals.. I gave them to you.

Yeah, but if you are unable to name any moderates, then the 6 you named has no credibility.

 

[Billo_Really]

And what is your point? a Congressional roll call?

No. To prove you know what you're talking about.

If you know enough about our Congress to be able to name 6 extreme leftists, then you should know enough about them to name 6 moderates.