Are Allah & God the same?

[irosie91]

IMHO----the BIGGEST fluke of history was Constantine. I am not sure all that much is actually KNOWN about James or if
there really was a James. " Q " is only a conjecture. I have no doubt that SOME of the story that appears in the NT is true-----bits and pieces only. Constantine created a perversion that inspired islam and shariah, the Inquisition
and adolf. Hussein bin ali and his idiot wife Fartimah
(something like lady Macbeth) run a close second. Iran
is Fartimah's fault

If you're looking for a scholarly book on the NT I can recommend Bart Ehrman. As for Constantine, you put a lot on his shoulders. He supported the Roman Church against the others for purely political reasons, he wanted them close to be able to control them.

Constantine's "support" was far more than mere support.
HE CREATED THE 'holy' roman empire----aka REICH.
centered in rome. He did not merely ALLOW the religion
to flourish------he outlawed all others and established its
IMPERIALIST agenda. I have seen Ehrman--long ago.

Constantine legalized Christianity. It was Theodosius who made it the only legal religion and who imposed severe penalties on Jews

yes---all part of the same CORPORATION-----constantine INC with dozens of subsidiaries with varying business
connections ----kinda like the "FAMILIES" of the New York
Mafia

 

[JoelT1]

IMHO----the BIGGEST fluke of history was Constantine. I am not sure all that much is actually KNOWN about James or if
there really was a James. " Q " is only a conjecture. I have no doubt that SOME of the story that appears in the NT is true-----bits and pieces only. Constantine created a perversion that inspired islam and shariah, the Inquisition
and adolf. Hussein bin ali and his idiot wife Fartimah
(something like lady Macbeth) run a close second. Iran
is Fartimah's fault

If you're looking for a scholarly book on the NT I can recommend Bart Ehrman. As for Constantine, you put a lot on his shoulders. He supported the Roman Church against the others for purely political reasons, he wanted them close to be able to control them.

Constantine's "support" was far more than mere support.
HE CREATED THE 'holy' roman empire----aka REICH.
centered in rome. He did not merely ALLOW the religion
to flourish------he outlawed all others and established its
IMPERIALIST agenda. I have seen Ehrman--long ago.

Constantine legalized Christianity. It was Theodosius who made it the only legal religion and who imposed severe penalties on Jews

yes---all part of the same CORPORATION-----constantine INC with dozens of subsidiaries with varying business
connections ----kinda like the "FAMILIES" of the New York
Mafia

Constantine’s conversion is debatable He reportedly was baptized on his deathbed AFTER a life of violence

 

[alang1216]

yes---all part of the same CORPORATION-----constantine INC with dozens of subsidiaries with varying business
connections ----kinda like the "FAMILIES" of the New York
Mafia

Constantine didn't invent this system, it was the traditional structure of Imperial Rome. Very family oriented to keep the wealth and power intact from generation to generation.

 

[JoelT1]

yes---all part of the same CORPORATION-----constantine INC with dozens of subsidiaries with varying business
connections ----kinda like the "FAMILIES" of the New York
Mafia

Constantine didn't invent this system, it was the traditional structure of Imperial Rome. Very family oriented to keep the wealth and power intact from generation to generation.

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

 

[irosie91]

yes---all part of the same CORPORATION-----constantine INC with dozens of subsidiaries with varying business
connections ----kinda like the "FAMILIES" of the New York
Mafia

Constantine didn't invent this system, it was the traditional structure of Imperial Rome. Very family oriented to keep the wealth and power intact from generation to generation.

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

I do----absolutely, agree with Ehrman on that issue-----
Based on ROMAN ethnocentricity and imperialistic
SUCCESS it would, likely, have petered ((no pun intended)) ---out.
Based on what TO THAT TIME had been something like a
laissez faire approach to native religions by roman imperialists
to that point---more or less, jews might have been ok and
shariah would never have included the "islam or ELSE"
doctrine which it got from rome

 

[alang1216]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

 

[irosie91]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

 

[irosie91]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

on that erhman opinon I take EXCEPTION-----the Imperialists of rome would find a way------even without Constantine----
some UNIFYING CREED ------of course the statement DEPENDS on one's definition of "pagan"-----"pagan" is
merely a kind of relative term----kinda like the greek
"barbarian" Even the arabs were able to figure it out------
as was the jerk from the hills----Genghis Khan.
(ezra blew it)

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

on that erhman opinon I take EXCEPTION-----the Imperialists of rome would find a way------even without Constantine----
some UNIFYING CREED ------of course the statement DEPENDS on one's definition of "pagan"-----"pagan" is
merely a kind of relative term----kinda like the greek
"barbarian" Even the arabs were able to figure it out------
as was the jerk from the hills----Genghis Khan.
(ezra blew it)

Which Roman imperialists wanted to convert? Diocletian, before Constantine, persecuted Christians

 

[irosie91]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

I disagree a bit---------it is not really clear what Muhummad said------he was illiterate. His followers SAID and WROTE.----later on. Jesus was literate in Aramaic and Hebrew---but left NO WRITINGS AT ALL (ambitious Israelis are digging
up their cellars) Holy roman empire used LOTS OF FORCE to enlarge itself-------muslims emulated

 

[irosie91]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

on that erhman opinon I take EXCEPTION-----the Imperialists of rome would find a way------even without Constantine----
some UNIFYING CREED ------of course the statement DEPENDS on one's definition of "pagan"-----"pagan" is
merely a kind of relative term----kinda like the greek
"barbarian" Even the arabs were able to figure it out------
as was the jerk from the hills----Genghis Khan.
(ezra blew it)

Which Roman imperialists wanted to convert? Diocletian, before Constantine, persecuted Christians

The imperialists that came AFTER Constantine-----who---may or may not have actually converted. His mother was the
galvanizer. It is not even clear that Genghis Khan HIMSELF
converted to islam

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

I disagree a bit---------it is not really clear what Muhummad said------he was illiterate. His followers SAID and WROTE.----later on. Jesus was literate in Aramaic and Hebrew---but left NO WRITINGS AT ALL (ambitious Israelis are digging
up their cellars) Holy roman empire used LOTS OF FORCE to enlarge itself-------muslims emulated

Muhammad was literate. Muslims later made up that he was illiterate to embellish the “miraculous” nature of the Koran.

Islamic sources say Muhammad threatened foreign rulers such as Heraclius to convert (Look up Muhammad’s letter to Heraclius) which was interpreted to mean that Muhammad wanted Islam imposed on the world

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

on that erhman opinon I take EXCEPTION-----the Imperialists of rome would find a way------even without Constantine----
some UNIFYING CREED ------of course the statement DEPENDS on one's definition of "pagan"-----"pagan" is
merely a kind of relative term----kinda like the greek
"barbarian" Even the arabs were able to figure it out------
as was the jerk from the hills----Genghis Khan.
(ezra blew it)

Which Roman imperialists wanted to convert? Diocletian, before Constantine, persecuted Christians

The imperialists that came AFTER Constantine-----who---may or may not have actually converted. His mother was the
galvanizer. It is not even clear that Genghis Khan HIMSELF
converted to islam

Diocletian, just before Constantine, perpetrated the Great Persecution of Christians. It’s unlikely later rulers would have embraced Christianity if not for Constantine

 

[Weatherman2020]

I always get a kick that all atheists think they are theologians.

 

[irosie91]

Constantine legalized Christianity which accelerated conversion of the Roman Empire. As Ehrman says, if not for Constantine, Christianity would likely have remained a small Jewish sect

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

I disagree a bit---------it is not really clear what Muhummad said------he was illiterate. His followers SAID and WROTE.----later on. Jesus was literate in Aramaic and Hebrew---but left NO WRITINGS AT ALL (ambitious Israelis are digging
up their cellars) Holy roman empire used LOTS OF FORCE to enlarge itself-------muslims emulated

Muhammad was literate. Muslims later made up that he was illiterate to embellish the “miraculous” nature of the Koran.

Islamic sources say Muhammad threatened foreign rulers such as Heraclius to convert (Look up Muhammad’s letter to Heraclius) which was interpreted to mean that Muhammad wanted Islam imposed on the world

oh----I never bought into the "muhummad was illiterate" BS---persons with normal brains in their heads DO NOT REMAIN
densely illiterate if they live amongst literate people ----like in
MECCA ----stopover for CARAVANS of the east --west, west - east trade with HIGHLY literate hindus, Zoroastrians, jews and Christians ALL OVER THE PLACE. One would be
forced to accept that the guy was BRAIN DAMAGED

 

[irosie91]

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

Ehrman says if not for Constantine, the Roman Empire would have remained pagan.

on that erhman opinon I take EXCEPTION-----the Imperialists of rome would find a way------even without Constantine----
some UNIFYING CREED ------of course the statement DEPENDS on one's definition of "pagan"-----"pagan" is
merely a kind of relative term----kinda like the greek
"barbarian" Even the arabs were able to figure it out------
as was the jerk from the hills----Genghis Khan.
(ezra blew it)

Which Roman imperialists wanted to convert? Diocletian, before Constantine, persecuted Christians

The imperialists that came AFTER Constantine-----who---may or may not have actually converted. His mother was the
galvanizer. It is not even clear that Genghis Khan HIMSELF
converted to islam

Diocletian, just before Constantine, perpetrated the Great Persecution of Christians. It’s unlikely later rulers would have embraced Christianity if not for Constantine

depends on just how AGGRESSIVELY EVANGELISTIC ----
Christians became. There was a time when even Zoroastrians were AGGRESSIVE PROSELYTIZERS----now you cannot get in if you try

 

[JoelT1]

Constantine's legalization certainly accelerated the conversion of the Roman Empire but think it would have happened eventually. Because Christians took care of each other they were healthier and lived longer than their neighbors. A powerful draw. Christianity was likely bigger than Judaism by the time of Constantine.

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

I disagree a bit---------it is not really clear what Muhummad said------he was illiterate. His followers SAID and WROTE.----later on. Jesus was literate in Aramaic and Hebrew---but left NO WRITINGS AT ALL (ambitious Israelis are digging
up their cellars) Holy roman empire used LOTS OF FORCE to enlarge itself-------muslims emulated

Muhammad was literate. Muslims later made up that he was illiterate to embellish the “miraculous” nature of the Koran.

Islamic sources say Muhammad threatened foreign rulers such as Heraclius to convert (Look up Muhammad’s letter to Heraclius) which was interpreted to mean that Muhammad wanted Islam imposed on the world

oh----I never bought into the "muhummad was illiterate" BS---persons with normal brains in their heads DO NOT REMAIN
densely illiterate if they live amongst literate people ----like in
MECCA ----stopover for CARAVANS of the east --west, west - east trade with HIGHLY literate hindus, Zoroastrians, jews and Christians ALL OVER THE PLACE. One would be
forced to accept that the guy was BRAIN DAMAGED

Here, for example, Muhammad is recorded as having been literate

Muslims invented Muhammad’s illiteracy as a defense against charges that he plagiarized the Bible (he did) and to show that it had to have come from “Allah”

 

[irosie91]

you have a citation for that one? Christianty was EVANGELISTIC from the get go. Its targets were
the poor and oppressed and even criminal and enslaved.
Its "mission" was to ENLARGE ITSELF. Its mission and
techniques APPEALED TO THE IMPERIALIST AMBITIONS
of Constantine et al. A few centuries later that ethos adopted by ISLAM---appealed to GENGHIS KHAN-----
resulting in the world of the TWO EMPIRES----the reich and the caliphate. In all fairness----this concept was not created
by either Constantine or Muhummad. The seed of the perversion was in the genius of ALEXANDER. Elijah
muhummad was ambitious to become a modern day
GENGHIS KHAN ------as are the AYATOILETS of Iran----
today

Jesus did not say to spread his ideology by force. OTOH, Muhammad did

I disagree a bit---------it is not really clear what Muhummad said------he was illiterate. His followers SAID and WROTE.----later on. Jesus was literate in Aramaic and Hebrew---but left NO WRITINGS AT ALL (ambitious Israelis are digging
up their cellars) Holy roman empire used LOTS OF FORCE to enlarge itself-------muslims emulated

Muhammad was literate. Muslims later made up that he was illiterate to embellish the “miraculous” nature of the Koran.

Islamic sources say Muhammad threatened foreign rulers such as Heraclius to convert (Look up Muhammad’s letter to Heraclius) which was interpreted to mean that Muhammad wanted Islam imposed on the world

oh----I never bought into the "muhummad was illiterate" BS---persons with normal brains in their heads DO NOT REMAIN
densely illiterate if they live amongst literate people ----like in
MECCA ----stopover for CARAVANS of the east --west, west - east trade with HIGHLY literate hindus, Zoroastrians, jews and Christians ALL OVER THE PLACE. One would be
forced to accept that the guy was BRAIN DAMAGED

Here, for example, Muhammad is recorded as having been literate

Muslims invented Muhammad’s illiteracy as a defense against charges that he plagiarized the Bible (he did) and to show that it had to have come from “Allah”

one good reason-----another---to attract the illiterate (most arabs) to the "faith" Over there in mecca------arabs faced
off with------HIGHLY LITERATE PEOPLE------hindus, Christians, jews, Zoroastrians ---etc. THINK HOW
INFERIOR THEY FELT. Then their "god" chose an
illiterate----just like them, to be HIS PERSONAL PAL
and HANDED HIM A WHOLE BOOK------now arabs could see themselves as "HUMAN BEINGS WITH A BOOK" ----just like
hindus and Zoroastrians and Christians and Jews