Are gag orders constitutional?

[WinterBorn]

You said threats are illegal. Nothing about “absolute” I stated that is incorrect and now it’s goalpost moving from you

Threats are illegal, if there are witnesses.

This entire thread is about whether gag orders are unconstitutional. Whether the 1st amendment is absolute or not is THE question.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Threats are illegal, if there are witnesses.

This entire thread is about whether gag orders are unconstitutional. Whether the 1st amendment is absolute or not is THE question.

What will be interesting is if antagonistic posts similar in concept to "Will someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" would be viewed as threats or inciting others to commit violence.


The "But, your Honor, I never asked anyone to commit violence..." defense.

WW

 

[jc456]

Threats are illegal, if there are witnesses.

This entire thread is about whether gag orders are unconstitutional. Whether the 1st amendment is absolute or not is THE question.

No one says it is absolute. Post the post number that statement was made?

 

[jc456]

It was an example of restrictions that can be placed on Free Speech. And actually, I did provide an explanation. More than once.

So now, how about answering my question?

Why can’t one yell fire in a crowded theater?

 

[jc456]

What will be interesting is if antagonistic posts similar in concept to "Will someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" would be viewed as threats or inciting others to commit violence.


The "But, your Honor, I never asked anyone to commit violence..." defense.

WW

Threats have different categories, demofks again can’t grasp concepts! To not categorize them is baseless

 

[WinterBorn]

Why can’t one yell fire in a crowded theater?

You can. But if there is no fire you will go to jail.

 

[WinterBorn]

Threats have different categories, demofks again can’t grasp concepts! To not categorize them is baseless

The point is, there are times when you cannot say what you want.

 

[WinterBorn]

No one says it is absolute. Post the post number that statement was made?

If your 1st amendment rights are not absolute, you have no argument

 

[jc456]

You can. But if there is no fire you will go to jail.

Why? See, dishonest

 

[jc456]

If your 1st amendment rights are not absolute, you have no argument

How?

 

[jc456]

The point is, there are times when you cannot say what you want.

A couple of exceptions only! Fire in a theater and bomb on a plane. Name another

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lets ignore the peaches-and-chief for a minute. Lets forget him and his gag orders. This is a general question.
Are gag orders constitutional? How can ones speech be silenced with threat of hefty fines, jail, imprisoned to their home etc for talking about the government?
I know there is a Supreme court case about it, but that doesnt really mean anything in this thread. They also said it was constitutional for the tyrant FDR to imprison citizens simply for their heritage, forcing people to salute the flag was constitutional, and a state saying a black and white person couldnt get married was legal

When Silence Isn’t Golden: How Gag Orders Can Evade First Amendment Protections

Trials must be conducted at law, rather than in the press, and courts sometimes feel the need to assert control of the outflow of information around judicial matters to preserve the fair trial rights of litigants.

law.yale.edu

Again, please leave trump out of this. I know TDS is a serious mental condition, but damn..

In America 2.0, there’s no Constitution

 

[WorldWatcher]

A couple of exceptions only! Fire in a theater and bomb on a plane. Name another

When will someone rid me of this meddlesome witness.

WW

 

[jc456]

When will someone rid me of this meddlesome witness.

WW

So what? How’s that offensive?

 

[WinterBorn]

Why? See, dishonest

I have not been dishonest at all.

It is against the law for public safety reasons.

 

[WinterBorn]

A couple of exceptions only! Fire in a theater and bomb on a plane. Name another

Divulging state secrets.
Violating an NDA.

That gives you 4 exceptions. Actually, only 1 was needed.

 

[jc456]

I have not been dishonest at all.

It is against the law for public safety reasons.

So a gag order is a public safety issue? Hahaha

 

[MaryL]

Lets ignore the peaches-and-chief for a minute. Lets forget him and his gag orders. This is a general question.
Are gag orders constitutional? How can ones speech be silenced with threat of hefty fines, jail, imprisoned to their home etc for talking about the government?
I know there is a Supreme court case about it, but that doesnt really mean anything in this thread. They also said it was constitutional for the tyrant FDR to imprison citizens simply for their heritage, forcing people to salute the flag was constitutional, and a state saying a black and white person couldnt get married was legal

When Silence Isn’t Golden: How Gag Orders Can Evade First Amendment Protections

Trials must be conducted at law, rather than in the press, and courts sometimes feel the need to assert control of the outflow of information around judicial matters to preserve the fair trial rights of litigants.

law.yale.edu

Again, please leave trump out of this. I know TDS is a serious mental condition, but damn..

 

[MaryL]

Divulging state secrets.
Violating an NDA.

That gives you 4 exceptions. Actually, only 1 was needed.

Apparently it doesn't matter to so called "democrats". Like a slimy snake, the democrats shed their skin and they have abandoned democracy and became authoritarians and fear their autocracy is at stake if WE questions them...ya think?

 

[otto105]

No it doesn’t. You’re mistaken

Like fire in a crowded movie house?