are liberals are opposed to science as a basic principle?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, can you say what your point is

Why don't you use your mythical "scientific method" and apply "reasoning" and figure it out yourself blasphemer!!!

dear, I've asked you 3 times to say what your point is? Why are you so afraid?

The point is that the last person anyone should look to for science info is a conservative.

China, East Germany, Cuba/Fla are perfect examples of liberals avoiding science.

Wow. You used China as your example in your own freaking OP. Smooth move genius. I think I'll go ask someone else about science.

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[TheOldSchool]

Why don't you use your mythical "scientific method" and apply "reasoning" and figure it out yourself blasphemer!!!

dear, I've asked you 3 times to say what your point is? Why are you so afraid?

The point is that the last person anyone should look to for science info is a conservative.

China, East Germany, Cuba/Fla are perfect examples of liberals avoiding science.

Wow. You used China as your example in your own freaking OP. Smooth move genius. I think I'll go ask someone else about science.

ad hominem not premitted in clean debate zone

Your entire OP is not permitted in the clean debate zone.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It takes a special kind of person to make the word "dear" into a passive aggressive insult.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The OP has been reported as a violation of CDZ posting rules.

Others should do as well.

The OP implies a smear of perceived opponents.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"are liberals are opposed to science as a basic principle?"

This fails as a loaded question fallacy, and isn't consistent with a 'clean debate.'

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

liberals are 100% opposed to science as a basic principle. For example, they look at how China instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty by switching from socialism to capitalism and want to switch America to socialism.

This fails as a straw man fallacy, and also isn't consistent with a 'clean debate.'

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

liberals are 100% opposed to science as a basic principle. For example, they look at how China instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty by switching from socialism to capitalism and want to switch America to socialism.

This fails as a straw man fallacy, and also isn't consistent with a 'clean debate.'

why not tell us where the straw man is?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, I've asked you 3 times to say what your point is? Why are you so afraid?

The point is that the last person anyone should look to for science info is a conservative.

China, East Germany, Cuba/Fla are perfect examples of liberals avoiding science.

Wow. You used China as your example in your own freaking OP. Smooth move genius. I think I'll go ask someone else about science.

ad hominem not premitted in clean debate zone

Your entire OP is not permitted in the clean debate zone.

could a liberal suggest that conservatism is not scientificially based based on some fact?

 

[TheOldSchool]

The point is that the last person anyone should look to for science info is a conservative.

China, East Germany, Cuba/Fla are perfect examples of liberals avoiding science.

Wow. You used China as your example in your own freaking OP. Smooth move genius. I think I'll go ask someone else about science.

ad hominem not premitted in clean debate zone

Your entire OP is not permitted in the clean debate zone.

could a liberal suggest that conservatism is not scientificially based based on some fact?

See that would've been a much better OP and appropriate for the CDZ. A little pathetic yes, but appropriate.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No far right conservative can possibly defend his or her basis as scientific.

But since you posed it, it is your obligation.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

China, East Germany, Cuba/Fla are perfect examples of liberals avoiding science.

Wow. You used China as your example in your own freaking OP. Smooth move genius. I think I'll go ask someone else about science.

ad hominem not premitted in clean debate zone

Your entire OP is not permitted in the clean debate zone.

could a liberal suggest that conservatism is not scientificially based based on some fact?

See that would've been a much better OP and appropriate for the CDZ. A little pathetic yes, but appropriate.

I guess one has to be oblivious to science and 120 million dead people to still be a socialist interventionist.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No far right conservative can possibly defend his or her basis as scientific.

But since you posed it, it is your obligation.

the scientific basis of our Founders conservatism was the historical record which showed that liberalism had been the source of evil in human history! This is why they tried something new,namely, freedom from central govt.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Cletus thread.

Economics is not a science in the sence of natural sciences since it doesnt offer the option of trial via faslification that prevails in modern field through the concept developed by Karl Pooper.

I can observe a set of gas molecules reacting within a pressurised chamber, well aware of all outside and inside influences.

I cant hold account of the influences in a complex sociatial network like a country.

Besides the point anyway. Chinese industry is by majority run by state owned buisnesses.

the more China switches to capitalism and the more to competes in the international free market the more poverty on earth is eliminated. Same with East Germany. A liberal still wants to switch to socialism because liberalism is not based in reason.

9 of the 10 freest and happiest countries are socialist. Not every socialist government is like China.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"
If socialism is so bad then why are the happiest countries in the world socialist?

1. Denmark (7.693)
2. Norway (7.655)
3. Switzerland (7.650)
4. Netherlands (7.512)
5. Sweden (7.480)
6. Canada (7.477)
7. Finland (7.389)
8. Austria (7.369)
9. Iceland (7.355)
10. Australia (7.350)
11. Israel (7.301)"

Sustainable Development Solutions Network World Happiness Report 2013

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"
If socialism is so bad then why are the happiest countries in the world socialist?

1. Denmark (7.693)
2. Norway (7.655)
3. Switzerland (7.650)
4. Netherlands (7.512)
5. Sweden (7.480)
6. Canada (7.477)
7. Finland (7.389)
8. Austria (7.369)
9. Iceland (7.355)
10. Australia (7.350)
11. Israel (7.301)"

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dear, we tax the top 1% more than they do and we have higher corporate taxes than they do plus we're number 2 in the world in terms of govt intervention so your analysis is absurd idiotic and liberal.

Do you understand?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"
If socialism is so bad then why are the happiest countries in the world socialist?

1. Denmark (7.693)
2. Norway (7.655)
3. Switzerland (7.650)
4. Netherlands (7.512)
5. Sweden (7.480)
6. Canada (7.477)
7. Finland (7.389)
8. Austria (7.369)
9. Iceland (7.355)
10. Australia (7.350)
11. Israel (7.301)"

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dear, we tax the top 1% more than they do and we have higher corporate taxes than they do plus we're number 2 in the world in terms of govt intervention so your analysis is absurd idiotic and liberal.

Do you understand?

Until this thread I'd always tried to give conservatives the benefit of the doubt. But when the party who infamously rejects science favoring religion comes out and tries to spin it around and claim that liberals are the ones who reject science than tries equating the very best examples of countries on this planet to the very worst, benefit of the doubt time is bye-bye.

You're a pathetic hack.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"
If socialism is so bad then why are the happiest countries in the world socialist?

1. Denmark (7.693)
2. Norway (7.655)
3. Switzerland (7.650)
4. Netherlands (7.512)
5. Sweden (7.480)
6. Canada (7.477)
7. Finland (7.389)
8. Austria (7.369)
9. Iceland (7.355)
10. Australia (7.350)
11. Israel (7.301)"

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dear, we tax the top 1% more than they do and we have higher corporate taxes than they do plus we're number 2 in the world in terms of govt intervention so your analysis is absurd idiotic and liberal.

Do you understand?

Until this thread I'd always tried to give conservatives the benefit of the doubt. But when the party who infamously rejects science favoring religion comes out and tries to spin it around and claim that liberals are the ones who reject science than tries equating the very best examples of countries on this planet to the very worst, benefit of the doubt time is bye-bye.

You're a pathetic hack.

translation: As a liberal I lack the IQ to continue the debate. Ever see a conservative have to run from a debate? Please tell us what that teaches you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No far right conservative can possibly defend his or her basis as scientific.

But since you posed it, it is your obligation.

the scientific basis of our Founders conservatism was the historical record which showed that liberalism had been the source of evil in human history! This is why they tried something new,namely, freedom from central govt.

That is a statement, an assertion, a proposition ~ and nothing else.

Give us solid evidence to support your assertion with a resounding emphasis of substance as to why you are right. A solid economic whiz such as yourself should have no trouble.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"
If socialism is so bad then why are the happiest countries in the world socialist?

1. Denmark (7.693)
2. Norway (7.655)
3. Switzerland (7.650)
4. Netherlands (7.512)
5. Sweden (7.480)
6. Canada (7.477)
7. Finland (7.389)
8. Austria (7.369)
9. Iceland (7.355)
10. Australia (7.350)
11. Israel (7.301)"

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dear, we tax the top 1% more than they do and we have higher corporate taxes than they do plus we're number 2 in the world in terms of govt intervention so your analysis is absurd idiotic and liberal.

Do you understand?

Until this thread I'd always tried to give conservatives the benefit of the doubt. But when the party who infamously rejects science favoring religion comes out and tries to spin it around and claim that liberals are the ones who reject science than tries equating the very best examples of countries on this planet to the very worst, benefit of the doubt time is bye-bye.

You're a pathetic hack.

translation: As a liberal I lack the IQ to continue the debate. Ever see a conservative have to run from a debate? Please tell us what that teaches you?

Translation of Edward: "I can't argue with Delta, so I attack him trying to distract the argument that if socialist countries' populations are happy then there is something wrong with our economic policy."

"I also have no evidence that the US intervenes more than any other country in the economy."

"I also know that the American companies, knowing that a corporate tax reform will drop the corporate income tax from 35 to somewhere between 25 to 28%, want to keep all their pet loopholes."

"I suspect everyone on the Board know I am in the pockets of Big Business."

 

[initforme]

"liberals are 100% opposed to science as a basic principle. For example, they look at how China instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty by switching from socialism to capitalism and want to switch America to socialism."

China is a TERRIBLE economic model to follow. You cannot safely breathe the air over there. But you see them as doing well. Dear get your brain past the almighty dollar which America so wrongly worships. If I were in charge massive regulations would be put in place over there. People are so happily making slave wages over there and they call that a growing middle class. Pathetic. There is not one thing China has done right for its middle class.