Armed security

[2aguy]

YES schools need security to protect children and places of worship need security as well. These are the times we are in. The security must wave a metal detector wand for visitors and must check cameras that see the doors.

No...all they need to do is allow their people to carry their legal guns with them when they attend services.......
What part of that is so hard for you guys to understand?

As if on cue: intellectual laziness.


This is as ignorant as it is reckless and irresponsible.


Private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.


Indeed, in such a situation armed worshipers would be more likely to injure and kill each other and innocent bystanders by mistake rather than the active shooter.


Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful, individual self-defense, not act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement’ or to otherwise ‘deter’ crime.​

Moron..... we already have examples of civilians with little to no training with guns stopping mass shooters....you are an idiot.....you guys pretend like this has never happened before and then you make up things that don't happen when the armed citizens end mass shootings....

A civilian does not have to be an expert in Close Quarters Battle, like a SEAL or a Delta Force Operator to deal with a mass shooter.

A mass shooter does one of 3 things when confronted by an armed civilian....they run away, they surrender or they commit suicide...... and the faster you point a gun at them, the faster they end their shooting....

And typically there is still a lot of dead. Lets avoid the shootings all together.

Belgium...

Belgium shooting: Two policewomen, passerby killed - CNN

Belgian authorities are investigating the killing of two policewomen and a passerby in the eastern city of Liege on Tuesday as a terror attack, the country's prosecutor said.

Belgian media, including CNN affiliate RTBF, are naming the gunman as Benjamin Herman. A spokesperson for the Brussels prosecutor told CNN the attacker, who was shot dead by police, was 31 years old and had the initials B.H. but declined to provide the full name.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If the crazed gunman stormed into a church, shot 6 and then was downed by an armed parishioner, would that be considered a good thing? The dead gunman wins the game by a score of 6-1. How many would have been shot if there were NO guns in the building?

I guess my question is how do you stop the shooter from getting a gun?

Strong gun laws. Have you noticed we are the only country who regularly has mass shootings? Our laws are incredibly weak. Even angry children can get guns.

There won’t be any new gun laws enacted at the Federal level – ‘strong’ or otherwise.

In fact, state and local gun laws are likely to be struck down by the courts in the coming years.

Given these facts, you need to come up with another solution.

 

[Brain357]

Many of the school shootings had armed security. They either didn't help or got shot. Many died.

No...they didn't....in fact, the Sandy Hook Elementary school was the only school in the district that didn't have an armed police officer.......that is why it was targeted over the middle school and the high school....another gun free zone tragedy...

Yes many have. Remember the Parkland officer who hid outside? In the Texas school shooting there were multiple armed officers and they got shot. Lots died.

Yes..... you are a moron, you show it with every post...

There was one armed police officer on a campus of over 3,100 students with 12 buildings on the campus..... and when the shooter came in, he hid..... had normal people been allowed to carry their legal guns there, the shooter would have been forced into his end game faster, saving lives..in the end, he ran away....after the police arrived.....but not before he killed those people in the gun free zone.

He didn't help. And like I said, there were armed officers in the TX shooting who got shot. And don't forget the Orlando night club had armed security. Lots die regardless. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control rarely have mass shootings.

You keep citing armed security, one guard at Pulse who ran away to get help...leaving 300 unarmed people in a gun free zone...

I saw the survivors on the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime..... they each told stories where had they had a gun they could have shot and killed the attacker, saving lives.......

Yes the off duty cop was outgunned thanks to our weak gun laws. You think lots of drunk people would have saved the day? No friendly fire?

 

[2aguy]

YES schools need security to protect children and places of worship need security as well. These are the times we are in. The security must wave a metal detector wand for visitors and must check cameras that see the doors.

No...all they need to do is allow their people to carry their legal guns with them when they attend services.......
What part of that is so hard for you guys to understand?

As if on cue: intellectual laziness.


This is as ignorant as it is reckless and irresponsible.


Private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.


Indeed, in such a situation armed worshipers would be more likely to injure and kill each other and innocent bystanders by mistake rather than the active shooter.


Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful, individual self-defense, not act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement’ or to otherwise ‘deter’ crime.​

These people can't even have a training class without people getting shot.
https://nypost.com/2017/05/04/firearms-instructor-accidentally-shoots-man-during-class-cops/
LIVONIA, Mich. — Police say a Detroit-area firearms instructor accidentally shot and wounded a man attending a gun training class.

Over 17.25 million Americans have concealed carry permits...... 1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to save lives...... you have no argument.

 

[2aguy]

No...they didn't....in fact, the Sandy Hook Elementary school was the only school in the district that didn't have an armed police officer.......that is why it was targeted over the middle school and the high school....another gun free zone tragedy...

Yes many have. Remember the Parkland officer who hid outside? In the Texas school shooting there were multiple armed officers and they got shot. Lots died.

Yes..... you are a moron, you show it with every post...

There was one armed police officer on a campus of over 3,100 students with 12 buildings on the campus..... and when the shooter came in, he hid..... had normal people been allowed to carry their legal guns there, the shooter would have been forced into his end game faster, saving lives..in the end, he ran away....after the police arrived.....but not before he killed those people in the gun free zone.

He didn't help. And like I said, there were armed officers in the TX shooting who got shot. And don't forget the Orlando night club had armed security. Lots die regardless. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control rarely have mass shootings.

You keep citing armed security, one guard at Pulse who ran away to get help...leaving 300 unarmed people in a gun free zone...

I saw the survivors on the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime..... they each told stories where had they had a gun they could have shot and killed the attacker, saving lives.......

Yes the off duty cop was outgunned thanks to our weak gun laws. You think lots of drunk people would have saved the day? No friendly fire?

No, moron, he ran away and had he returned fire, he would have saved lives....had the people in Pulse had the ability to carry guns, they could have saved lives by stopping the attacker.... I have seen the witnesses, I heard them testify as to what went on in that club... Armed citizens could have ended that attack..but because of people like you, more people died....

 

[Brain357]

If the crazed gunman stormed into a church, shot 6 and then was downed by an armed parishioner, would that be considered a good thing? The dead gunman wins the game by a score of 6-1. How many would have been shot if there were NO guns in the building?

I guess my question is how do you stop the shooter from getting a gun?

Strong gun laws. Have you noticed we are the only country who regularly has mass shootings? Our laws are incredibly weak. Even angry children can get guns.

There won’t be any new gun laws enacted at the Federal level – ‘strong’ or otherwise.

In fact, state and local gun laws are likely to be struck down by the courts in the coming years.

Given these facts, you need to come up with another solution.

The people need to wake up to the lies they have been told.

 

[Brain357]

YES schools need security to protect children and places of worship need security as well. These are the times we are in. The security must wave a metal detector wand for visitors and must check cameras that see the doors.

No...all they need to do is allow their people to carry their legal guns with them when they attend services.......
What part of that is so hard for you guys to understand?

As if on cue: intellectual laziness.


This is as ignorant as it is reckless and irresponsible.


Private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.


Indeed, in such a situation armed worshipers would be more likely to injure and kill each other and innocent bystanders by mistake rather than the active shooter.


Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful, individual self-defense, not act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement’ or to otherwise ‘deter’ crime.​

These people can't even have a training class without people getting shot.
https://nypost.com/2017/05/04/firearms-instructor-accidentally-shoots-man-during-class-cops/
LIVONIA, Mich. — Police say a Detroit-area firearms instructor accidentally shot and wounded a man attending a gun training class.

Over 17.25 million Americans have concealed carry permits...... 1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to save lives...... you have no argument.

Yeah that is so effective that our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

 

[Brain357]

Yes many have. Remember the Parkland officer who hid outside? In the Texas school shooting there were multiple armed officers and they got shot. Lots died.

Yes..... you are a moron, you show it with every post...

There was one armed police officer on a campus of over 3,100 students with 12 buildings on the campus..... and when the shooter came in, he hid..... had normal people been allowed to carry their legal guns there, the shooter would have been forced into his end game faster, saving lives..in the end, he ran away....after the police arrived.....but not before he killed those people in the gun free zone.

He didn't help. And like I said, there were armed officers in the TX shooting who got shot. And don't forget the Orlando night club had armed security. Lots die regardless. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control rarely have mass shootings.

You keep citing armed security, one guard at Pulse who ran away to get help...leaving 300 unarmed people in a gun free zone...

I saw the survivors on the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime..... they each told stories where had they had a gun they could have shot and killed the attacker, saving lives.......

Yes the off duty cop was outgunned thanks to our weak gun laws. You think lots of drunk people would have saved the day? No friendly fire?

No, moron, he ran away and had he returned fire, he would have saved lives....had the people in Pulse had the ability to carry guns, they could have saved lives by stopping the attacker.... I have seen the witnesses, I heard them testify as to what went on in that club... Armed citizens could have ended that attack..but because of people like you, more people died....

Yes he had a shootout and was outgunned because of our weak gun laws. And you think a bunch of drunk people would effectively stop him.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

More intellectual laziness.

Again, private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.

Whatever the venue, private armed citizens would be more likely to injure and kill innocent bystanders rather than an armed criminal.

 

[AZGAL]

The real problems lie in the ignorance of other solutions to provide security. Security guards can be armed or unarmed. They can wave metal detector wands or just ask for id at the door. Places of worship can limit events open to the public and have some events with online registration. Church, temple, school. etc. can limit the amount of entrances and make exits easier to get out of. The good old days were nice but mostly those days are gone. The elderly and children are soft targets and are often the victims of these psychopath terrorist shooters and it is humane to demand the vulnerable are protected by security guards.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

Great Idea (jnot)

I bet you want others to believe you thought this foolishness all by yourself.

The fact is that there is no such thing as a ‘gun free zone.’

If a private property owner designates his venue to be ‘gun free,’ there’s nothing to stop his patrons from carrying concealed firearms.

The private property owner doesn’t know his patrons are carrying firearms because they’re concealed – rendering the notion of a ‘gun free zone’ unenforceable.

In other locations where the carrying of firearms is prohibited, such as courthouses and police stations, ample armed security is already in place.

 

[2aguy]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

More intellectual laziness.

Again, private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.

Whatever the venue, private armed citizens would be more likely to injure and kill innocent bystanders rather than an armed criminal.

wrong..... there are numerous cases of armed citizens stopping mass public shooters and they were not police or Navy Seals.....mass public shooters are not SEALs..... they stop shooting people and run away, surrender or commit suicide as soon as they are confronted......and the sooner you get a gun pointed at them by police or an armed citizen the sooner they stop shooting people and to to their end game...

And nothing you say will happen happens.......

You are pulling these ideas out of your ass when the actual facts on the ground show you are wrong...

Your foolishness is getting people killed.

Here......actual church shootings stopped by armed citizens....vs....church shootings that were in gun free zones...notice the body count when armed citizens are on the scene.....nothing you posted is even remotely accurate...

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)
26 dead in shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas (26 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
Psychiatrist v. patient with gun, in gun free zone

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No guns: 41 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)

Texas church shooting (26 dead)



Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)

Texas church...NRA instructor with AR-15 rifle saved 26 + lives

hospital shooting, Psychiatrist brought gun into gun free zone, ( 1 dead) stopped shooter.


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If the crazed gunman stormed into a church, shot 6 and then was downed by an armed parishioner, would that be considered a good thing? The dead gunman wins the game by a score of 6-1. How many would have been shot if there were NO guns in the building?

I guess my question is how do you stop the shooter from getting a gun?

Strong gun laws. Have you noticed we are the only country who regularly has mass shootings? Our laws are incredibly weak. Even angry children can get guns.

There won’t be any new gun laws enacted at the Federal level – ‘strong’ or otherwise.

In fact, state and local gun laws are likely to be struck down by the courts in the coming years.

Given these facts, you need to come up with another solution.

The people need to wake up to the lies they have been told.

That’s also not going to happen.

 

[2aguy]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

Great Idea (jnot)

I bet you want others to believe you thought this foolishness all by yourself.

The fact is that there is no such thing as a ‘gun free zone.’

If a private property owner designates his venue to be ‘gun free,’ there’s nothing to stop his patrons from carrying concealed firearms.

The private property owner doesn’t know his patrons are carrying firearms because they’re concealed – rendering the notion of a ‘gun free zone’ unenforceable.

In other locations where the carrying of firearms is prohibited, such as courthouses and police stations, ample armed security is already in place.

And if those citizens are caught carrying a gun into those gun free zones, they can be arrested......

You know so much that just isn't true, factual or remotely accurate...

 

[2aguy]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

More intellectual laziness.

Again, private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.

Whatever the venue, private armed citizens would be more likely to injure and kill innocent bystanders rather than an armed criminal.

You have no idea what you are talking about....

Americans already use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals, including mass public shooters....that you keep lying about that shows you are a dishonest hack...

Deputies: Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense

According to deputies, Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Pastor Terry Howell, who took out his own weapon and fired back, striking Parangan.

Howell was not injured, but Parangan was taken to Osceola Regional Medical Center in critical condition.

Deputies said several church employees witnessed the incident and gave similar statements.

this Psychiatrist was not an off duty cop.....

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.



This Uber driver is not a cop....

An Uber driver with a concealed handgun prevented a mass shooting in Chicago

A driver with the ride-hailing service Uber put a stop to a potential mass shooting in Chicago over the weekend.

Here's the Chicago Tribune, citing Assistant State's Attorney Barry Quinn:

A group of people had been walking in front of the driver around 11:50 p.m. in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue when Everardo Custodio, 22, began firing into the crowd, Quinn said.

The driver pulled out a handgun and fired six shots at Custodio, hitting him several times, according to court records. Responding officers found Custodio lying on the ground, bleeding, Quinn said. No other injuries were reported.

The Orlando night club shooter....faced 300 unarmed people and killed 49...this shooter was shot by a concealed carry permit holder....at a night club two weeks after Orlando...

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/0...ss-shooting-night-club-media-remained-silent/

This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.

 

[2aguy]

Actually eliminating gun free zones goes a long way in making shooter's targets safer.

More intellectual laziness.

Again, private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.

Whatever the venue, private armed citizens would be more likely to injure and kill innocent bystanders rather than an armed criminal.

You are the lazy one....keep in mind...... the only reason this number is low, is because almost all public spaces are legally designated gun free zones....this is the number when people happen to have a gun when a mass shooting happened...

The Problem With the FBI's 'Active Shooter' Data | RealClearPolitics

But the bureau misses at least 23 cases where permit holders saved the day. That means they stopped 11.5 percent of active shooter incidents from 2000 to 2017. We at the Crime Prevention Research Center are more confident that we have all of the cases from 2014 to 2017, when 16.5 percent of attacks were stopped.

 

[2aguy]

No...they didn't....in fact, the Sandy Hook Elementary school was the only school in the district that didn't have an armed police officer.......that is why it was targeted over the middle school and the high school....another gun free zone tragedy...

Yes many have. Remember the Parkland officer who hid outside? In the Texas school shooting there were multiple armed officers and they got shot. Lots died.

Yes..... you are a moron, you show it with every post...

There was one armed police officer on a campus of over 3,100 students with 12 buildings on the campus..... and when the shooter came in, he hid..... had normal people been allowed to carry their legal guns there, the shooter would have been forced into his end game faster, saving lives..in the end, he ran away....after the police arrived.....but not before he killed those people in the gun free zone.

He didn't help. And like I said, there were armed officers in the TX shooting who got shot. And don't forget the Orlando night club had armed security. Lots die regardless. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control rarely have mass shootings.

You keep citing armed security, one guard at Pulse who ran away to get help...leaving 300 unarmed people in a gun free zone...

I saw the survivors on the show "Active Shooter" on Showtime..... they each told stories where had they had a gun they could have shot and killed the attacker, saving lives.......

Yes the off duty cop was outgunned thanks to our weak gun laws. You think lots of drunk people would have saved the day? No friendly fire?

Moron....

this is how the Pulse Nightclub shooting should have ended, but didn't because of your gun free zone laws...


http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/0...ss-shooting-night-club-media-remained-silent/

This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims.

The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.

 

[AZGAL]

A place of worship has a different atmosphere than a commercial place of business or a school. Places of worship can limit events open to the public and have some events with online registration. The good old days are gone. The elderly and children are soft targets and are often the victims of these psychopath terrorist shooters and it is humane to demand the vulnerable are protected by security guards. Armed or unarmed security are not there to worship as they are there to do a job to protect the people who are vulnerable during a serene setting. It is not much different than the Connecticut school or the Amish school where the victims were unable to carry a weapon because in reality in some settings the people are too young, too old, or unwilling or unable to have a weapon.

 

[idb]

YES schools need security to protect children and places of worship need security as well. These are the times we are in. The security must wave a metal detector wand for visitors and must check cameras that see the doors.

No...all they need to do is allow their people to carry their legal guns with them when they attend services.......
What part of that is so hard for you guys to understand?

As if on cue: intellectual laziness.


This is as ignorant as it is reckless and irresponsible.


Private citizens lack the training, experience, and firearm acumen to successfully neutralize an active shooter.


Indeed, in such a situation armed worshipers would be more likely to injure and kill each other and innocent bystanders by mistake rather than the active shooter.


Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful, individual self-defense, not act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement’ or to otherwise ‘deter’ crime.​

That's not how it works in the movies.

 

[Conservative65]

If all schools need armed security to protect children. And places of worship now need armed security to protect worshippers.

That is a lot of armed security. No doubt there are other places that would need this type of cover.

Where are all of these low wage protectors coming from ?

And who will pay for them ?

Stop wasting money on social welfare and you'll have the money. Money going to protect school children trying to better themselves is a far better investment than wasting it on those that have shown they're unwilling to provide for themselves.