Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea

[Oldstyle]

But Trump got to wave his piece of paper. He had his Neville Chamberlain moment. Or the updated version, Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' bullshit.

The fact that Trump has actually got the North Koreans talking about getting rid of their nukes is amazing. If he could actually pull this thing off it would be the biggest foreign policy win in decades for the US and the world in general! It's the kind of thing that you SHOULD get a Nobel Peace Prize for...unlike another one that was given because some idiots in Sweden thought an incoming President MIGHT do something impressive!

 

[talksalot]

LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.

Um, Uh, Duh..

HOW was Trump's deal "a Win," especially compared to the Iran Deal?
I posted Two Links that said it wasn't.

Understand how discussion or debate works you ******* MORON?
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FIVE REASONS WHY THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL IS STILL A REALLY BAD IDEA
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[Soggy in NOLA]

We even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitinacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.

The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea

ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
[......]
But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.

That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.

Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."​

Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit

(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
[......]
"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.

The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises. "In exchange for selfies in Singapore, we have undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.

For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...[/B]​

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You do realize there was NO DEAL....dumbass.

Exactly.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cellblock2429, post: 20130575

There s no deal with NK.

Why are you Trumporoids celebrating already then?

 

[odanny]

LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.

God, what a moron.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Maxdeath, post: 20131142

It seems that they would rather have nuclear war then thank Trump for keeping one from happening.

Trumpo did not need to meet murderer KJU in a sweet bromance photo-op to end nuclear war.

If murderer KJU truly intends to unilaterally dismantle his nukes then he would be doing it. No need for the reality TV program we just witnessed in Singapore.

Why did Trumpo lower himself and America in the way he did?

 

[BluesLegend]

LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.

God, what a moron.

Trump's win on NK was historic and dominated world news. Obama's Iran deal, worst deal ever.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

LOL Trump's win was way bigger and he mocked Obama's Iran deal while he was at it just for fun.

God, what a moron.

Trump's win on NK was historic and dominated world news. Obama's Iran deal, worst deal ever.

Damn good assessment of the Kim-Trumpo summit.

You may love the headline - but I’m daring you to read and try to comprehend the entire essay.

Why Trump Was Right to Sit Down With Kim Jong Un

Trump failed at execution and negotiation at an historic level.

 

[Wyatt earp]

There is no indication of a new deal coming, period.

So can we hope and pray lil Kim launches a nuclear missle at your home town?

Hey I would celebrate it..


Their is a huge deal. Just watch..

 

[Cellblock2429]

Cellblock2429, post: 20130575

There s no deal with NK.

Why are you Trumporoids celebrating already then?

/-----/ It's a first step.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I thought I'd seen it all, but this OP breaks new ground.

Hint: Quoting a hardline Muslim news source is not the best way to make your case.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Quoting breitbart is no different than quoting a hardline Muslim news source.

The only thing Trump got was a photo op.

 

[Mac1958]

There s no deal with NK.

Why are you Trumporoids celebrating already then?

Both ends are celebrating early. The Left is celebrating defeat.

The two ends just love to remind us how similar they are in their behaviors.
.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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Even Rasmussen, the outlier that is the exception that proves the rule, is outside the margin of error for the Dems.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cellblock2429, post: 20132662, member: 58304"]/-----/ It's a first step.

/-----/ It's a first step.

The first step concept is great. The Trumporoid notion that it was Trumpo’s verbal threat to annihilate KJU’s starved and brutalized country that made this first step possible is RWNJ balderdash.

Trump’s behavior during the first step has been appalling. That’s all we are saying.

 

[MrShangles]

We even had an OP today saying - paraphrase - "Gee, Trump must got something we don't know about".. "It can't be as bad as it looks.
Maybe true, but not for the USA, for Trumpov.
Such as him saving ZTE in exchange for Chinese buddies financing his $500 Mil Indonesia Project.
And the Chinese were the absent Elephant in the Room.
So Trumpov got the HUGE attention he wanted, and eventually perhaps the 'Trump Pyongyang Hotel and Golf Club.'
Otherwise it's still 2-0 Kim.
Legitimacy they wanted for 30 years, and ending war games.

The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea
The Singapore statement pales even in comparison with the interim, preliminary Iran deal signed by the U.S. and other world powers in 2013.
BORZOU DARAGAHI - 06.12.18 - 2:13 PM ET
The Art of the Deal? Obama’s With Iran Was Much Better Than Trump’s With North Korea

ISTANBUL — One was the result of 12 years of painstaking negotiations over two U.S. presidential administrations and three changes of government on the other side, with the U.N. Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and leaders from the capitals of half a dozen countries actively involved.
The other was hammered out by two beefy guys with bad hair during the equivalent of a long layover in Singapore.
[......]
But the Singapore statement, which has been praised by Trump supporters and conservative pundits on cable television, also pales dramatically in comparison to the interim deal that Iran, the U.S. and other world powers signed in 2013.

That four-page document, called the Joint Plan of Action and signed in Geneva on November 24, 2013, ultimately paved the way for the JCPOA, which arms control experts generally regarded as an imperfect but effective way of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but Trump repeatedly has called the “worst deal” ever.

Republicans hostile to Barack Obama blasted the Iran deal as appeasing a brutal regime. In contrast, pundits on Fox News lauded Trump for his diplomatic prowess in meeting with North Korea’s leader."..."​

Iran Deal Comparisons Cloud Trump's North Korea Summit
Trump's proclamations of historic success at his unprecedented summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un have drawn unflattering comparisons to his rejection of the Iran nuclear deal.
June 13, 2018 - BY MATTHEW LE - AP Diplomatic Writer
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...l-comparisons-cloud-trumps-north-korea-summit

(AP) President Donald Trump's triumphant assertions about the success of the unprecedented Singapore summit are being met with skepticism and outright derision from critics seizing on the contradiction between his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and his willingness to accept vague pledges from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
[......]
"While I am glad the president and Kim Jong Un were able to meet, it is difficult to determine what of concrete nature has occurred," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He said he wanted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who will lead the follow-on negotiations, to explain details of what the administration has in mind.

The top Democrat on that panel, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, who also opposed the Iran deal, took issue with Trump's zeal as well as his announcement of the suspension of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
"In exchange for Selfies in Singapore, we have Undermined our maximum pressure policy and sanctions," Menendez said.

For Iran deal proponents, though, the Singapore summit was evidence of Trump's Lack of preparedness and poor negotiating skills. Iran deal opponents, meanwhile, seemed willing to wait and see."...​

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US didn’t sign Iran deal, Congress said no so Obable did an executive order to get it. So really Obable and John Kerry signed the deal not America. That’s how Trump just wadded it up and trashed it. Sorry to bust your anointed ones bubble!


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[Snouter]

The butthurt Hussaine folks apparently numbed up by heavily applying Prep H decide to post on the net praising Hussaine's failures.

 

[JakeStarkey]

^^^

 

[NotfooledbyW]

MrShangles, post: 20132796

That’s how Trump just wadded it up and trashed it.

Trump is therefore no peacemaker. Trumpo pulled the US out but the Iran Deal is alive and well. Trumpo has rendered US sanctions toothless without support from our sober allies as long as Iran continues to comply.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump can only dream that he could get a deal as good as the Great Obama got with Iran