As many as 10 dead in shooting at Batman premiere in Denver: reports

[newpolitics]

How about less gun free zones, and everybody not panic over the sight of seeing a gun in public.

How about making sure people aren't crazy before they buy guns?

How many mass shooting have there been at gun shows, gun ranges and/or police stations?

What??? Why would anyone go to a police station, gun range, or gun show and start shooting, unless you're a terminator? You'd be killed instantly.

 

[JoeB131]

hey dumbass.....there are gun owners here who seem to be pretty goddamned serious about their guns.....and this includes Democrats......if they came one day to collect them and there were a FEW massacres on that day......it would be a record.....would it not?.....and it would no doubt spur a few more afterwards......try to keep up Cow.....it aint that hard,even Franco is capable of that....

No one is talking about confiscating guns.

But how about making it harder for crazy people to buy them?

How about bringing back the death penalty and not allowing crazy people back out on the street?

Exactly how would that have stopped Holmes yesterday? He hadn't done anything to merit the DP before yesterday, so that wouldn't have helped, and the guy was to crazy to be deterred by it.

As far as not letting crazy people back out on the street, I'm all for it.

So you are going to be for higher taxes on rich people to pay for adequate mental health care in this country?

Hmmm.. you know, maybe effective background checks and licensing for guns might be cheaper and easier.

 

[Artevelde]

Would this have happened if guns were banned in the US?

If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns...so, yes.

Except you never hear about this sort of thing in Germany, or Japan, or the UK where gun ownership is a lot more restricted.

Two things we are going to find out in the next couple of days.

1) Nearly everyone in James Holmes life knew he was seriously disturbed.

2) Despite that he was able to get four guns and lots of ammo with relative ease.

Nothing to see here.

Oh, by the way, I'm not some hippy who hates guns. I was in the army for 11 years, and probably handled more weapons than most of you have. But the idea that someone like HOlmes should be able to get a gun with such ease should make us all worry.

But the only time you guys worry about someone having guns they shouldn't have is if it's a mexican drug dealer and somehow you can blame Obama if you bend your brain back far enough.

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

 

[MuadDib]

We get rid of one knuckle dragger on SCOTUS. Heller is overturned. We can introduce gun laws with teeth.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Stalin and Hitler would have loved that plan. Their type of government is exactly what your plan would put us on the path to.

First, private gun ownership was common in Nazi Germany. The guy who actually introduced gun control to Germany was Dwight D. Eisenhower, who ordered the German population disarmed.

GUn Rate death in Germany - 1.57 per 100,000.

Gun rate death in the US? - 10.27 per 100,000.

so maybe you should quit whining about socialism and realize what we do is kind of stupid.

Really?

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why are you insulting the character of his mother, insinuating that she's more than capable of neonaticide. Against the rules?

Man, the extremist right is perhaps unsettled, one of their kind committed mass murder, and the only replies are "I'll kill anybody who takes MY guns away!" & mindless attempts at insults.

"one of their kind?" How do you figure?

only "rightwingers" kill people......dont you know by now....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Somehow, I don't think the Founding Slaveowners had James HOlmes buying an AR-15 and 3000 rounds of 5.56 in mind when they said, "well-regulated militia".

I think they thought of a militia with an organizational charts and ranks and regulations and such, so they didn't have the crazy person shooting stuff up...

Now, if they said, "The right to own guns to compensate for tiny penises shall not be infringed", you might actually have an argument there.

Somehow I don't think the founders would have thought we would have had so many restrictive laws in our legal system today.

Now, if they said, "The right to own guns to compensate for tiny penises shall not be infringed", you might actually have an argument there.

You're an idiot

Oh, come on, guy, "overcompensation" is really the issue here, isn't it?

The founders would also be shocked that women could vote, black people weren't property and the go to treatment for Strep Throat was antibiotics and not bleeding someone.

It seems that we reject a lot of their other notions, but we accept at face value that the bad syntax of the second Amendment means that unrestricted gun ownership is a good thing, and that even crazy people like Holmes and Loughner should be able to walk in, buy lots of guns, and be free to go on a shooting spree.

Only a dick sucking faggot would mistakenly confuse a dick with a firearm

 

[Artevelde]

We get rid of one knuckle dragger on SCOTUS. Heller is overturned. We can introduce gun laws with teeth.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Stalin and Hitler would have loved that plan. Their type of government is exactly what your plan would put us on the path to.

First, private gun ownership was common in Nazi Germany. The guy who actually introduced gun control to Germany was Dwight D. Eisenhower, who ordered the German population disarmed.

GUn Rate death in Germany - 1.57 per 100,000.

Gun rate death in the US? - 10.27 per 100,000.

so maybe you should quit whining about socialism and realize what we do is kind of stupid.

In March 2009 a guy shot dead 16 people at a school and other places in Germany.

It is simply not true that gun laws stop lunatics from perpetrating mass shootings.

 

[idb]

How do you do that without infringing on the rights of innocent people? It's already illegal to own a firearm if you're a convicted felon or have a sufficient psychiatric history. The guy in the theater shooting had no prior criminal or psychiatric history. There's already a national database where a gun store can run an instant background check on you. This guy passed it because he had a clean record with no priors.

The only thing more that can be done is to make thought-crime illegal.

Only talking about our country, it's easy to own a gun.
You have to do a short lesson on gun safety - about 2 hours as I recall.
Then you're free to go.
You have to show your license whenever you buy a gun or ammunition.

There is no register of how many or what guns you own - a law that was changed about 25 years ago.
However, if you want to own a handgun or an automatic (and I think military style firearms as well) then you need to register as a collector which imposes a whole heap of extra checks and responsibilities.

Carrying a weapon in a public place without good cause is an offence.
Carrying a weapon of any sort for self-defence is an offence.
Using or presenting a gun for self defence in any situation will result in a trial.

So, we don't consider our liberties are curtailed because we can own a gun for sporting reasons, which is the only real reason that I can think of for owning one in New Zealand.

Carrying a weapon of any sort for self-defence is an offence.
Using or presenting a gun for self defence in any situation will result in a trial.

That is really fucked up. I guess it's more civilized to be hacked up with a knife?

Knife crime threatening to become an epidemic | Television New Zealand | News, Sport, Weather, TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ | NATIONAL News

So naturally, the sensible response to the possibility that you might get into a close quarters argument with someone that has a knife is to allow every citizen carry a gun.

 

[MuadDib]

No one is talking about confiscating guns.

But how about making it harder for crazy people to buy them?

How about bringing back the death penalty and not allowing crazy people back out on the street?

Exactly how would that have stopped Holmes yesterday? He hadn't done anything to merit the DP before yesterday, so that wouldn't have helped, and the guy was to crazy to be deterred by it.

As far as not letting crazy people back out on the street, I'm all for it.

So you are going to be for higher taxes on rich people to pay for adequate mental health care in this country?

Hmmm.. you know, maybe effective background checks and licensing for guns might be cheaper and easier.

Bring back good ol' fashioned public hangings and you'll put a fair amount of fear in these people. As long as they can get life in prison, they know they'll live and get 3 hots and a cot for life.

 

[JoeB131]

If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns...so, yes.

Except you never hear about this sort of thing in Germany, or Japan, or the UK where gun ownership is a lot more restricted.

Two things we are going to find out in the next couple of days.

1) Nearly everyone in James Holmes life knew he was seriously disturbed.

2) Despite that he was able to get four guns and lots of ammo with relative ease.

Nothing to see here.

Oh, by the way, I'm not some hippy who hates guns. I was in the army for 11 years, and probably handled more weapons than most of you have. But the idea that someone like HOlmes should be able to get a gun with such ease should make us all worry.

But the only time you guys worry about someone having guns they shouldn't have is if it's a mexican drug dealer and somehow you can blame Obama if you bend your brain back far enough.

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

 

[idb]

Except you never hear about this sort of thing in Germany, or Japan, or the UK where gun ownership is a lot more restricted.

Two things we are going to find out in the next couple of days.

1) Nearly everyone in James Holmes life knew he was seriously disturbed.

2) Despite that he was able to get four guns and lots of ammo with relative ease.

Nothing to see here.

Oh, by the way, I'm not some hippy who hates guns. I was in the army for 11 years, and probably handled more weapons than most of you have. But the idea that someone like HOlmes should be able to get a gun with such ease should make us all worry.

But the only time you guys worry about someone having guns they shouldn't have is if it's a mexican drug dealer and somehow you can blame Obama if you bend your brain back far enough.

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

The Constitution protects crazy people as well.
Nazi!!!!!

 

[MuadDib]

Except you never hear about this sort of thing in Germany, or Japan, or the UK where gun ownership is a lot more restricted.

Two things we are going to find out in the next couple of days.

1) Nearly everyone in James Holmes life knew he was seriously disturbed.

2) Despite that he was able to get four guns and lots of ammo with relative ease.

Nothing to see here.

Oh, by the way, I'm not some hippy who hates guns. I was in the army for 11 years, and probably handled more weapons than most of you have. But the idea that someone like HOlmes should be able to get a gun with such ease should make us all worry.

But the only time you guys worry about someone having guns they shouldn't have is if it's a mexican drug dealer and somehow you can blame Obama if you bend your brain back far enough.

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

Glass bottles, cotton rags, and gasoline are readily available.

 

[Artevelde]

Except you never hear about this sort of thing in Germany, or Japan, or the UK where gun ownership is a lot more restricted.

Two things we are going to find out in the next couple of days.

1) Nearly everyone in James Holmes life knew he was seriously disturbed.

2) Despite that he was able to get four guns and lots of ammo with relative ease.

Nothing to see here.

Oh, by the way, I'm not some hippy who hates guns. I was in the army for 11 years, and probably handled more weapons than most of you have. But the idea that someone like HOlmes should be able to get a gun with such ease should make us all worry.

But the only time you guys worry about someone having guns they shouldn't have is if it's a mexican drug dealer and somehow you can blame Obama if you bend your brain back far enough.

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

How many rounds did he fire actually?

And compared to Breivik in Norway his "body count" was pretty limited. So the effect of gun laws on these kinds of events is exactly zero.

 

[idb]

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

How many rounds did he fire actually?

And compared to Breivik in Norway his "body count" was pretty limited. So the effect of gun laws on these kinds of events is exactly zero.

So it's a societal thing?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No one is talking about confiscating guns.

But how about making it harder for crazy people to buy them?

How about bringing back the death penalty and not allowing crazy people back out on the street?

Exactly how would that have stopped Holmes yesterday? He hadn't done anything to merit the DP before yesterday, so that wouldn't have helped, and the guy was to crazy to be deterred by it.

As far as not letting crazy people back out on the street, I'm all for it.

So you are going to be for higher taxes on rich people to pay for adequate mental health care in this country?

Hmmm.. you know, maybe effective background checks and licensing for guns might be cheaper and easier.

It's because of people like you that create mass shootings, with your over reactionary opinion of guns, it's people like you that create the gun free shooting zones

 

[idb]

How about bringing back the death penalty and not allowing crazy people back out on the street?

Exactly how would that have stopped Holmes yesterday? He hadn't done anything to merit the DP before yesterday, so that wouldn't have helped, and the guy was to crazy to be deterred by it.

As far as not letting crazy people back out on the street, I'm all for it.

So you are going to be for higher taxes on rich people to pay for adequate mental health care in this country?

Hmmm.. you know, maybe effective background checks and licensing for guns might be cheaper and easier.

It's because of people like you that create mass shootings, with your over reactionary opinion of guns, it's people like you that create the gun free shooting zones

Do you think there is too much gun control already?

 

[JoeB131]

How about bringing back the death penalty and not allowing crazy people back out on the street?

Exactly how would that have stopped Holmes yesterday? He hadn't done anything to merit the DP before yesterday, so that wouldn't have helped, and the guy was to crazy to be deterred by it.

As far as not letting crazy people back out on the street, I'm all for it.

So you are going to be for higher taxes on rich people to pay for adequate mental health care in this country?

Hmmm.. you know, maybe effective background checks and licensing for guns might be cheaper and easier.

It's because of people like you that create mass shootings, with your over reactionary opinion of guns, it's people like you that create the gun free shooting zones

You know what, you whacks keep saying that, but Lougher was in a Open Carry state, and that didn't stop him. IN fact, one guy almost shot a good samaritan because he didn't know what was going on...

I'm not sure what the real solution is, but I'm pretty sure it isn't "more guns!"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Only talking about our country, it's easy to own a gun.
You have to do a short lesson on gun safety - about 2 hours as I recall.
Then you're free to go.
You have to show your license whenever you buy a gun or ammunition.

There is no register of how many or what guns you own - a law that was changed about 25 years ago.
However, if you want to own a handgun or an automatic (and I think military style firearms as well) then you need to register as a collector which imposes a whole heap of extra checks and responsibilities.

Carrying a weapon in a public place without good cause is an offence.
Carrying a weapon of any sort for self-defence is an offence.
Using or presenting a gun for self defence in any situation will result in a trial.

So, we don't consider our liberties are curtailed because we can own a gun for sporting reasons, which is the only real reason that I can think of for owning one in New Zealand.

Carrying a weapon of any sort for self-defence is an offence.
Using or presenting a gun for self defence in any situation will result in a trial.

That is really fucked up. I guess it's more civilized to be hacked up with a knife?

Knife crime threatening to become an epidemic | Television New Zealand | News, Sport, Weather, TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ | NATIONAL News

So naturally, the sensible response to the possibility that you might get into a close quarters argument with someone that has a knife is to allow every citizen carry a gun.

How about jumped from behind? knives are not civilized weapons they are brutal and barbaric weapons. What about old people
Knife crime threatening to become an epidemic | Television New Zealand | News, Sport, Weather, TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ | News Video

 

[idb]

That is really fucked up. I guess it's more civilized to be hacked up with a knife?

Knife crime threatening to become an epidemic | Television New Zealand | News, Sport, Weather, TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ | NATIONAL News

So naturally, the sensible response to the possibility that you might get into a close quarters argument with someone that has a knife is to allow every citizen carry a gun.

How about jumped from behind? knives are not civilized weapons they are brutal and barbaric weapons. What about old people
Knife crime threatening to become an epidemic | Television New Zealand | News, Sport, Weather, TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ | News Video

Well, if you're going to get into scenarios, how would a gun help if you're jumped from behind by an old person with a knife?

 

[JoeB131]

These things do happen in Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, etc. and many other countries with strict gun laws. Strict gun laws will not stop a determined person from shooting lots of people.

No, it won't.

BUt it does make it less likely that a crazy person could walk into a Bass Pro Shop, and buy an automatic weapon and 3000 rounds of ammunition.

How many rounds did he fire actually?

And compared to Breivik in Norway his "body count" was pretty limited. So the effect of gun laws on these kinds of events is exactly zero.

Breivik attempted to purchase guns in Germany and the Czech Republic and was rebuffed. So, yeah, gun laws slowed him down...

Not saying that we will totally stop these kinds of things, but making them less common would be good, don't you think?