Assassinating American Citizens ... for or against?

[High_Gravity]

Really you stupid bitch samson posted it I commented so you said nothing to samson?

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Please, you are being over dramatic. You make it sound like the US send drones after Gandhi or Aberham Lincoln.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Please, you are being over dramatic. You make it sound like the US send drones after Gandhi or Aberham Lincoln.

Fuck off I saw the thank you to ravi for her pull her head out of her ass post to me.

 

[Liability]

Really you stupid bitch samson posted it I commented so you said nothing to samson?

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over [the] death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Not really. You are voicing your concern over the ALLEGED violation of the Constitutional provisions regarding DUE PROCESS, but you decline to address the point on square terms.

The Bill of Rights applies to the legal process and primarily to criminal law and proceedings associated with the criminal law.

Terrorism and waging war against the United States are not criminal law concerns. They are military concerns. They are national security concerns. The Bill of Rights does not provide procedural safeguards to the enemies of this Republic at war against us in TIME of WAR. The Bill of Rights still has no applicability here and it is not dead nor mortally wounded nor wounded at all.

 

[High_Gravity]

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Please, you are being over dramatic. You make it sound like the US send drones after Gandhi or Aberham Lincoln.

Fuck off I saw the thank you to ravi for her pull her head out of her ass post to me.

So? what are you going to do about it tough guy?

 

[Ravi]

Really you stupid bitch samson posted it I commented so you said nothing to samson?

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
And the convicts got there day in court.

It doesn't matter if they got their day in court. It's unconstitutional to gas, or even kill, most convicts.

You've just proven (well, for the fifth or sixth time) that you know nothing about the constitution and in fact are an overly hysterical idiot consumed by a deep hatred of the president.

 

[High_Gravity]

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
And the convicts got there day in court.

It doesn't matter if they got their day in court. It's unconstitutional to gas, or even kill, most convicts.

You've just proven (well, for the fifth or sixth time) that you know nothing about the constitution and in fact are an overly hysterical idiot consumed by a deep hatred of the president.

And saddened by the death of the love of his life, Anwar Al-Awlaki.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Squidboi isn't the one running around crying over the death of a terrorist.

You're perfectly fine with gassing convicts.

You're a fraud birfer, a total fraud.

Unlike you I'm crying over [the] death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Not really. You are voicing your concern over the ALLEGED violation of the Constitutional provisions regarding DUE PROCESS, but you decline to address the point on square terms.

The Bill of Rights applies to the legal process and primarily to criminal law and proceedings associated with the criminal law.

Terrorism and waging war against the United States are not criminal law concerns. They are military concerns. They are national security concerns. The Bill of Rights does not provide procedural safeguards to the enemies of this Republic at war against us in TIME of WAR. The Bill of Rights still has no applicability here and it is not dead nor mortally wounded nor wounded at all.

The act of terrorism is a crime.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
And the convicts got there day in court.

It doesn't matter if they got their day in court. It's unconstitutional to gas, or even kill, most convicts.

You've just proven (well, for the fifth or sixth time) that you know nothing about the constitution and in fact are an overly hysterical idiot consumed by a deep hatred of the president.

And saddened by the death of the love of his life, Anwar Al-Awlaki.

Go to hell you fucking son of a bitch.

 

[Liability]

Unlike you I'm crying over thew death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
And the convicts got there day in court.

It doesn't matter if they got their day in court. It's unconstitutional to gas, or even kill, most convicts.

You've just proven (well, for the fifth or sixth time) that you know nothing about the constitution and in fact are an overly hysterical idiot consumed by a deep hatred of the president.

And saddened by the death of the love of his life, Anwar Al-Awlaki.

Hey. I happen to disagree with bigreb, but his CONCERN is over the Constitution and our allegiance to it.

Even if, as I contend, that concern is misplaced in this context, that doesn't suggest that bigreb has any love for the likes of al-Awlaki.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Please, you are being over dramatic. You make it sound like the US send drones after Gandhi or Aberham Lincoln.

Fuck off I saw the thank you to ravi for her pull her head out of her ass post to me.

So? what are you going to do about it tough guy?

Say it to my face bitch.

 

[High_Gravity]

It doesn't matter if they got their day in court. It's unconstitutional to gas, or even kill, most convicts.

You've just proven (well, for the fifth or sixth time) that you know nothing about the constitution and in fact are an overly hysterical idiot consumed by a deep hatred of the president.

And saddened by the death of the love of his life, Anwar Al-Awlaki.

Go to hell you fucking son of a bitch.

I am sorry your boyfriend Anwar passed away but don't worry you will find a new man.

 

[Liability]

Unlike you I'm crying over [the] death OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS

Not really. You are voicing your concern over the ALLEGED violation of the Constitutional provisions regarding DUE PROCESS, but you decline to address the point on square terms.

The Bill of Rights applies to the legal process and primarily to criminal law and proceedings associated with the criminal law.

Terrorism and waging war against the United States are not criminal law concerns. They are military concerns. They are national security concerns. The Bill of Rights does not provide procedural safeguards to the enemies of this Republic at war against us in TIME of WAR. The Bill of Rights still has no applicability here and it is not dead nor mortally wounded nor wounded at all.

The act of terrorism is a crime.

The act of terrorism is an act of war.

Waging war is an act of war.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not really. You are voicing your concern over the ALLEGED violation of the Constitutional provisions regarding DUE PROCESS, but you decline to address the point on square terms.

The Bill of Rights applies to the legal process and primarily to criminal law and proceedings associated with the criminal law.

Terrorism and waging war against the United States are not criminal law concerns. They are military concerns. They are national security concerns. The Bill of Rights does not provide procedural safeguards to the enemies of this Republic at war against us in TIME of WAR. The Bill of Rights still has no applicability here and it is not dead nor mortally wounded nor wounded at all.

The act of terrorism is a crime.

The act of terrorism is an act of war.

Waging war is an act of war.

(5) the term “Federal crime of terrorism” means an offense that

United States Code: Title 18,2332b. Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries | LII / Legal Information Institute
CITE-
18 USC CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C113B.txt

 

[Liability]

The act of terrorism is a crime.

The act of terrorism is an act of war.

Waging war is an act of war.

(5) the term “Federal crime of terrorism” means an offense that

United States Code: Title 18,2332b. Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries | LII / Legal Information Institute
CITE-
18 USC CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C113B.txt

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The act of terrorism is an act of war.

Waging war is an act of war.

(5) the term “Federal crime of terrorism” means an offense that

United States Code: Title 18,2332b. Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries | LII / Legal Information Institute
CITE-
18 USC CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C113B.txt

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

And the penalties are as follows
Sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-STATUTE-
(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

 

[High_Gravity]

(5) the term “Federal crime of terrorism” means an offense that

United States Code: Title 18,2332b. Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries | LII / Legal Information Institute
CITE-
18 USC CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C113B.txt

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

And the penalties are as follows
Sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-STATUTE-
(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

So?

 

[Liability]

(5) the term “Federal crime of terrorism” means an offense that

United States Code: Title 18,2332b. Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries | LII / Legal Information Institute
CITE-
18 USC CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C113B.txt

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

And the penalties are as follows
Sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-STATUTE-
(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

A crime comes with criminal penalties. I already acknowledged that it is a crime ALSO.

But by addressing that that crime comes with penalties, YOU are not addressing that it is ALSO an Act of War.

Accordingly, I'll repeat something:

Where the same conduct is BOTH a crime AND an Act of War, the Government's response is not necessarily limited to JUST the criminal law component. The government appears to be able (validly) to address the conduct EITHER as mere criminal behavior and then proceed accordingly (arrest, grand jury, indictment, lawyers, trial, etc.)

OR to go after the enemy combatant in the manner we often go after enemy combatants in time of war.

I guess I am failing to see why the government's response is or should be limited to "just" the more restrictive criminal law realm.

 

[Amelia]

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

And the penalties are as follows
Sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-STATUTE-
(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

So?

Well one "so" is ....

so that is why he needed to be killed and not captured. Because the sentences for the things the government said he was guilty of didn't come close to justifying the government's de facto death sentence, so they never wanted him to be seen in a court where they would have had to formalize their accusations against him.

 

[Amelia]

Of course. But terrorism is not JUST a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening IN Time of War.

And the penalties are as follows
Sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-STATUTE-
(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

A crime comes with criminal penalties. I already acknowledged that it is a crime ALSO.

But by addressing that that crime comes with penalties, YOU are not addressing that it is ALSO an Act of War.

Accordingly, I'll repeat something:

Where the same conduct is BOTH a crime AND an Act of War, the Government's response is not necessarily limited to JUST the criminal law component. The government appears to be able (validly) to address the conduct EITHER as mere criminal behavior and then proceed accordingly (arrest, grand jury, indictment, lawyers, trial, etc.)

OR to go after the enemy combatant in the manner we often go after enemy combatants in time of war.

I guess I am failing to see why the government's response is or should be limited to "just" the more restrictive criminal law realm.

It didn't need to limit it to that. But it should have done that also. They could have gotten him without declaring him a target for assassination by targeting his companions while they dotted their criminal i's and dotted their criminal t's.

There were lots of ways to make him sweat - and to make him dead - without putting him on a formal death list when they didn't have the charges to back it up.

They should have worked on both - pursuing him and nailing down the best legal case they had. Instead they had to try extra hard to kill him not capture him because they knew they didn't have him on capital charges.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

of course. But terrorism is not just a criminal act. It is also an act of war by (in this case) the declared enemy and it is happening in time of war.

and the penalties are as follows
sec. 2332. Criminal penalties

-statute-
(a) homicide. - whoever kills a national of the united states,
while such national is outside the united states, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) attempt or conspiracy with respect to homicide. - whoever
outside the united states attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the united states shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) other conduct. - whoever outside the united states engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the united states; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the united states;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) limitation on prosecution. - no prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the united states
except on written certification of the attorney general or the
highest ranking subordinate of the attorney general with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.

so?

care to show where the penalty is death?