Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Tilly]

y

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

The feds wisely decided bloodshed was not needed to secure a patch of vacant desert grassland. They put ego and emotion aside and decided to show patience. That, as can be seen now, was a mistake. The culprits have graduated from grazing land that they had some level of claim to, to taking over a multi-million dollar property that is currently used by citizens and generates the local economy for the local residents of that county. They have absolutely no viable valid claim to that property. Not only are visitors to this taxpayer owned attraction being denied access to their property, the local schools have closed due the threat of armed militia in the area and the plea from the trespasser thugs for more to come to the area.
This is what they are attempting to steal or have temporarily stolen from the taxpayers:

www.fws.gov/refuge/Malheur/about.html

At least they are not burning down peoples businesses and stealing things.
How about the OWS who shut down business so that the people could not go into the shops and they destroyed the parks that taxpayers had to pay for to be cleaned up.

Do you have a link about the schools being shut down?

the news reported that schools in the area had been shut down for the week

Many on here were wetting themselves laughing when schools were shut down over suspected Islamist terrorist bomb threats not long ago.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Again, it's not about grazing rights. You guys don't have a whole brain between you.

per se it is not. The fact is public lands can be leased for grazing, they cannot be used by anyone for anything without permission. That includes burning them, fencing them, grazing on them or armed personnel moving in and pretending they have rights they do not have.

U.S. Attorneys » District of Oregon » News
Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
District of Oregon
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, October 7, 2015
Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison
EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

See the entire link here:

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

 

[paulitician]

They should just claim they're Illegals. Those folks can do anything they want these days. Hussein has given em an unlimited free pass. Just claim you're a poor abused Illegal, then get your freebies and a White House invite.

Oh shut up, you fucking idiot. This is about an illegal armed occupation of Federal lands, not President Obama.

If they were Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims, Hussein would have already intervened and given em all a big ole hug. But they white, so he ain't giva a shit.

Good point. Maybe it's time to clear the area and drone them.

Just hover a drone overhead and film them.....24/7....save the video.

Yup, kill em all. They Non-Communist White Folk. They gots to go.

GO HUSSEIN! IT'S YER BIRFDAY!!

 

[bodecea]

y

And was quite properly hung for his efforts. Same should apply for these assholes.

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

The feds wisely decided bloodshed was not needed to secure a patch of vacant desert grassland. They put ego and emotion aside and decided to show patience. That, as can be seen now, was a mistake. The culprits have graduated from grazing land that they had some level of claim to, to taking over a multi-million dollar property that is currently used by citizens and generates the local economy for the local residents of that county. They have absolutely no viable valid claim to that property. Not only are visitors to this taxpayer owned attraction being denied access to their property, the local schools have closed due the threat of armed militia in the area and the plea from the trespasser thugs for more to come to the area.
This is what they are attempting to steal or have temporarily stolen from the taxpayers:

www.fws.gov/refuge/Malheur/about.html

You guys make me laugh. Everyone in the area has guns, but some folk hole themselves up in the middle of nowhere, presumably nowhere near schools, and kids can't go to school no more. If these were Islamic terrorists, you'd be screeching 'COWARDS' at the top of your voices at anyone who suggested such a thing. Lol.

It's a local call to close school. Isn't that what these yahoos are wanting? Local decision making?

 

[Tilly]

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

Bullshit. They have posted signs and made it clear they don't one the militia thugs in their town. The wildlife refuge is a major source of tourist income for the local businesses and that source is being halted as long as the refuge is closed.

Do they all think with one mind?

 

[bodecea]

They should just claim they're Illegals. Those folks can do anything they want these days. Hussein has given em an unlimited free pass. Just claim you're a poor abused Illegal, then get your freebies and a White House invite.

Oh shut up, you fucking idiot. This is about an illegal armed occupation of Federal lands, not President Obama.

If they were Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims, Hussein would have already intervened and given em all a big ole hug. But they white, so he ain't giva a shit.

Good point. Maybe it's time to clear the area and drone them.

Just hover a drone overhead and film them.....24/7....save the video.

Yup, kill em all. They Non-Communist White Folk. They gots to go.

GO HUSSEIN! IT'S YER BIRFDAY!!

Share with us how one "kills 'em all" with a Go-Pro on a drone.

 

[peach174]

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

Trumped up charges.
Why do you think the Feds went after them after 5 years?
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
As to the poaching part they brought in dusty Hammond a mentally disturbed kid of 13 years old at the time.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death.


BLM really wants that land to add to their Wildlife Refuge and this is the last rancher who is holding out, just like the Bundys in Nevada.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

From an email --

Ammon Bundy told CNN this:

I want to emphasis that the American people are wondering why they can't seem to get ahead or why everything is costing more and you are getting less, and that is because the federal government is taking and using the land and resources.

Do these wack-a-doodle doos ever think before they speak?

Poor put upon Ammon didn't always hate the gub't. In 2010, he got a $530K loan from the feds.

 

[bodecea]

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

Trumped up charges.
Why do you think the Feds went after them after 5 years?
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
As to the poaching part they brought in dusty Hammond a mentally disturbed kid of 13 years old at the time.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death.


BLM really wants that land to add to their Wildlife Refuge and this is the last rancher who is holding out, just like the Bundys in Nevada.

So...local jury was stupid?

 

[paulitician]

Oh shut up, you fucking idiot. This is about an illegal armed occupation of Federal lands, not President Obama.

If they were Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims, Hussein would have already intervened and given em all a big ole hug. But they white, so he ain't giva a shit.

Good point. Maybe it's time to clear the area and drone them.

Just hover a drone overhead and film them.....24/7....save the video.

Yup, kill em all. They Non-Communist White Folk. They gots to go.

GO HUSSEIN! IT'S YER BIRFDAY!!

Share with us how one "kills 'em all" with a Go-Pro on a drone.

They Non-Communist White Folk. Hussein wants em dead. They aren't Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims. If they were, he'd give em a hug, hand em some freebies, and send em on their way.

 

[ogibillm]

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

Trumped up charges.
Why do you think the Feds went after them after 5 years?
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
As to the poaching part they brought in dusty Hammond a mentally disturbed kid of 13 years old at the time.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death.


BLM really wants that land to add to their Wildlife Refuge and this is the last rancher who is holding out, just like the Bundys in Nevada.

Did. They. Set. The. Fires?

The jury didn't think the charges were 'trumped up'

 

[bodecea]

Again, it's not about grazing rights. You guys don't have a whole brain between you.

And yet, you can't say what they want.

Yeah, right.

You like to pretend you know everything about everything but when you're called on your know-it-all posts, you disappear or don't answer.

They want the Fed's to surrender the property they stole to state control.

Who did they steal the land from. Name the original owners before the Feds owned it. Right here: ________________

 

[Tilly]

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

Supply a VALID link stating that the Townspeople support the outsiders coming-in and basically disrupting these peoples lives.

im sure they are all very happy that the school had to be shut down over safety concerns

A bunch of hysterical libs overreacting.
There is absolutely no reason they should have shut down the schools.

They don't even react like this to homegrown Islamic terrorism. And to those that take that seriously, they yell 'cowards', 'ilsamophobes' and so on. It's hilarious.

 

[ogibillm]

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

Trumped up charges.
Why do you think the Feds went after them after 5 years?
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
As to the poaching part they brought in dusty Hammond a mentally disturbed kid of 13 years old at the time.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death.


BLM really wants that land to add to their Wildlife Refuge and this is the last rancher who is holding out, just like the Bundys in Nevada.

So...local jury was stupid?

So far it's the jury was stupid and t court upholding the law was activist

 

[Wry Catcher]

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

Yes they are.
They are doing it in N. Texas right now just so that BLM can manage the red river.
BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch
They did it to all the other ranchers in Nevada just so they could have more turtle habitat.
They are now doing it to the Hammords hoping that the old man could die in prison in 4 years.
Western Ranchers have had enough of the BLM thugs.

pretty sure most of those claims are bunk, but i know for sure that the hammonds troubles have nothing to do with anyone grabbing their land

NO they are not bunk.
I know quite a few ranchers here in S.Arizona who have had to fight the BLM thugs.
My Husband used to work for a ranch in the early 1980's. BLM tried to take his ranch. He was a rich land owner and a Doctor, so he took them to court and won. Most don't have the money to do this.

Here is the history of how BLM got all of the other ranchers out around the Hammonds ranch.
Almost the same story with all of the ranchers who lived around the Bundy's ranch.
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...

In 1964 the Hammonds’ purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres, stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told: “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”; 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentionally diverted the water bypassing the vast meadow lands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers who once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede; now the once thriving privately owned Silvies plains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

This is just one story out of thousands of BLM and the Justice system of abuse.

For 40 years the Feds have abused their power in order to get more land for what they want and the people have had enough of it.

Let's assume everything you wrote is true (that's a huge assumption) what does any of that have to do with the arson committed by the hammonds?

Trumped up charges.
Why do you think the Feds went after them after 5 years?
Full Story About What's Going on In Oregon - "Militia" Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution...
In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.
As to the poaching part they brought in dusty Hammond a mentally disturbed kid of 13 years old at the time.

In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges; they accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Anti terrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death.


BLM really wants that land to add to their Wildlife Refuge and this is the last rancher who is holding out, just like the Bundys in Nevada.

The official story:

Eastern Oregon Ranchers Convicted of Arson Resentenced to Five Years in Prison | USAO-OR | Department of Justice

 

[Camp]

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

Also not true. Do a few hours at the least of research like I did before posting here last night and you will find the same things I did. Of course you have to muddle through some pretty extreme claims from both sides, but there is some truth to be had there.

They were arrested by Harney county and then released. the prosecutor never filed charges. Years later the feds did, and yes, it was after Obama was in office as a matter of fact . . . . hmmm. . .

What the hell are you talking about? I do know the case background...and your synopsis is not accurate. The Case for Civil Disobedience in Oregon, by David French, National Review

Your article conveniently leaves out testimony by friends and even family members of the convicted arsonist that the fires were started to cover up illegal hunting, i.e., poaching, under oath in a federal court trial. Instead, the article goes into a claim about "land management through the use of fires. They had no permission not did they apply for a permit or notify authorities about such a fire. The jury found their defense story unbelievable because any and every rancher in that area would know that such a permit was needed. Plus the fact that their own family and friends testified as to the real reason for them starting the fire.

 

[mamooth]

Less than a mile away from me in Indianapolis, we had our own pack of similar kooks. An independent Baptist church called the Indiana Baptist Temple had been openly refusing to pay their payroll taxes for 16 years. By 2000, it had gone on long enough that the government ordered the property seized to pay the tax bill.

The IBT said they'd resist. They holed up in the building. And then a pack of outside agitators also showed up, and started their propaganda offensive about how awful the gubmint was.

And in the neighborhood? Ever single person, no matter what their political beliefs, hated the IBT assclowns for being moochers and freeloaders, and hated their carpetbagger pals for occupying part of a neighborhood that wasn't their own. Everyone wanted them gone. It's similar to how the locals must feel about the Bundy parasitical assmunches.

Two months later, after most of 'em had gotten bored and left, the sheriff rolled in by surprise at 6AM, rousted 'em out, and took control of the building. Everyone applauded. The property is a school now, Christel House Academy.

 

[Carla_Danger]

If they were Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims, Hussein would have already intervened and given em all a big ole hug. But they white, so he ain't giva a shit.

Good point. Maybe it's time to clear the area and drone them.

Just hover a drone overhead and film them.....24/7....save the video.

Yup, kill em all. They Non-Communist White Folk. They gots to go.

GO HUSSEIN! IT'S YER BIRFDAY!!

Share with us how one "kills 'em all" with a Go-Pro on a drone.

They Non-Communist White Folk. Hussein wants em dead. They aren't Illegals, African Americans, or Muslims. If they were, he'd give em a hug, hand em some freebies, and send em on their way.

Go put your tinfoil hat on!

 

[bullwinkle]

The Shot Heard Round the Word:
The Battles of Lexington and Concord

The clash began on April 19, 1775 when more about 700 British soldiers were given what they thought were secret orders to destroy colonial military supplies in Concord, Massachusetts. Fortunately, thanks to a rather elaborate colonial intelligence network, led by the Sons of Liberty, the Patriots were aware that their supplies were at risk, and were able to move them to different locations long before the British began to move. Also, thanks to the daring rides of a few brave men, the colonial militia knew that an engagement with the British Army was imminent.

The Shot Heard Round the World[/QUOT

Again, it's not about grazing rights. You guys don't have a whole brain between you.

And yet, you can't say what they want.

Megan Kelly on Fox is interviewing Aman Bundy on air.....and she is calling him a lawless criminal and taking him to task.

So....yeah....we are calling them criminals. Because they are exactly that.

She just called him out on the groups indication of being willing to be violent.

So...yeah...CC has no point once again.

Megan Kelly? Was she bleeding again?

He dropped the part where Bundy said he does not want violence, but would fight back if they fired first.
These are American Citizens who want the Feds to control themselves under the Constitution and stop abusing the people.

Yeah, right.

You like to pretend you know everything about everything but when you're called on your know-it-all posts, you disappear or don't answer.

They want the Fed's to surrender the property they stole to state control.

Peach, that's a very old trick. He's going to keep pushing until someone in authority DOES fire, then claim 'they' shot first. IOW create a situation, then cry foul when the inevitable happens. The locals are wise to stay away and let this bunch of thugs make fools of themselves. As for the land...the Paiutes want it back too. And I missed the part in the Constitution where the Fed holding and leasing land is abuse. Can you tell me where to find it? I have a copy so I can refer to it if only I know where to look.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Using arson to cover up their poaching ... How is this not domestic terrorism?

...Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” ...