Automation vs. $15hr Wage...

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Would expect it was more a matter of people like some human interaction, especially where their food is involved. Whole Mom or Dad cooking for ya sorta connection thing.

I'm willing to bet I'm right and you're wrong.

We're both wrong

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment.[citation needed]

At one time there were 40 Horn & Hardart automats in New York City alone. The last one closed in 1991. Horn and Hardart converted most of its New York City locations to Burger Kings. At the time, the quality of the food was described by some customers as on the decline.[5][6]
An automat in Berlin, Germany (1954)

In an attempt to bring back automats in New York City, a company called Bamn! opened a new East Village store in 2006[7] but it closed in 2009."
Automat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Freemason9]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

Again, a population of underpaid labor will not continue to support a consumer-based economy. Your dream of a nation of serfs and slaves is all well and good, but capitalism depends upon markets to function.

If the minimum wage goes up, there will be fewer jobs. The population of unpaid labor would be no better off in total and would not spend more in total.

If wages increase, there will be a corresponding increase in consumer demand and spending. THAT creates jobs, and it's the ONLY thing that creates jobs. Check historical data if you don't believe me. The economy imporves when wages go up.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Would expect it was more a matter of people like some human interaction, especially where their food is involved. Whole Mom or Dad cooking for ya sorta connection thing.

I'm willing to bet I'm right and you're wrong.

We're both wrong

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment.[citation needed]

At one time there were 40 Horn & Hardart automats in New York City alone. The last one closed in 1991. Horn and Hardart converted most of its New York City locations to Burger Kings. At the time, the quality of the food was described by some customers as on the decline.[5][6]
An automat in Berlin, Germany (1954)

In an attempt to bring back automats in New York City, a company called Bamn! opened a new East Village store in 2006[7] but it closed in 2009."
Automat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I beat you to it. Post #18 hahaha

 

[danielpalos]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

is having cheap labor Good or Bad? how many advances in technology did we not discover due to cheap labor.

Unfortunately, most every technological leap came from a war. Computers began as artillery computers.

does it matter under our form of capitalism, as long as a profit can be made; government exigencies are still socialism not capitalism.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Would expect it was more a matter of people like some human interaction, especially where their food is involved. Whole Mom or Dad cooking for ya sorta connection thing.

I'm willing to bet I'm right and you're wrong.

We're both wrong

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment.[citation needed]

At one time there were 40 Horn & Hardart automats in New York City alone. The last one closed in 1991. Horn and Hardart converted most of its New York City locations to Burger Kings. At the time, the quality of the food was described by some customers as on the decline.[5][6]
An automat in Berlin, Germany (1954)

In an attempt to bring back automats in New York City, a company called Bamn! opened a new East Village store in 2006[7] but it closed in 2009."
Automat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I beat you to it. Post #18 hahaha

If we're gonna use the same sources our bets are gonna be really boring.

 

[danielpalos]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

Again, a population of underpaid labor will not continue to support a consumer-based economy. Your dream of a nation of serfs and slaves is all well and good, but capitalism depends upon markets to function.

If the minimum wage goes up, there will be fewer jobs. The population of unpaid labor would be no better off in total and would not spend more in total.

thus, the need to actually solve social dilemmas instead of merely pay for wars on them.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

The by country bit's interesting. Still have proper automats in Netherlands and elsewhere. Be interesting to see if they're more or less successful than standard human-staffed versions.

 

[saveliberty]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

Again, a population of underpaid labor will not continue to support a consumer-based economy. Your dream of a nation of serfs and slaves is all well and good, but capitalism depends upon markets to function.

So you won't mind the market eliminating jobs for under skilled people.

 

[Auld Phart]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

 

[Spinster]

More and more business are opting to employ technology rather than $15hr minimum wage employees looking for full benefits packages. The economic model for human employees is becoming untenable with the increase in regulation.

It simply can't be sustained. As people become less involved in each others lives a touch screen becomes the preferred method of interaction anyway.

While I dislike dealing with robotic interfaces when contacting a company, I dislike getting an incompetent representative even more. By the time I struggle through trying to get the simplest concept comprehended by an idiot employee, I find myself outraged by their complete inability, uncaring attitude, lack of any skills be it technical or social, while knowing they are actually receiving compensation for their piss poor performance. Broncho4 is correct, I much prefer the interaction of my touch screen rather than experience the personal infuriation that leaves me wondering if slitting my wrists would actually be preferrable over dealing with morons.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

For myself, I'd rather buy food prepared by people. I mean, it all is of course, but I like seeing people do the preparing, not have them dropping it off like. A machine will never greet you as a regular customer (until they're programmed to I suppose heh) nor give you an extra portion of something they're especially proud of like happens here. Chinese place I went to gave me a free order of spring rolls once. The human touch is usually gonna be prefered.

 

[saveliberty]

If wages increase, there will be a corresponding increase in consumer demand and spending. THAT creates jobs, and it's the ONLY thing that creates jobs. Check historical data if you don't believe me. The economy imporves when wages go up.

No, businesses that employ high cost employees in the food industry will go out of business, in favor of those using computerized ordering systems.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

Thanks but huh, you're a little late. The information you posted was posted in post #18 and again in post #21.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

We're all using the same source and exact same text.

 

[saveliberty]

For myself, I'd rather buy food prepared by people. I mean, it all is of course, but I like seeing people do the preparing, not have them dropping it off like. A machine will never greet you as a regular customer (until they're programmed to I suppose heh) nor give you an extra portion of something they're especially proud of like happens here. Chinese place I went to gave me a free order of spring rolls once. The human touch is usually gonna be prefered.

Great! So now overpriced employees are going to give away food. How stupid are you?

 

[Spinster]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

Sure you bet ya, my Christmas tree is all decorated for Thanksgiving with turkeys, pumpkins, and cranberry garland. No wonder I hate holidays. They've become oppressive with their marathon seasons.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

For myself, I'd rather buy food prepared by people. I mean, it all is of course, but I like seeing people do the preparing, not have them dropping it off like. A machine will never greet you as a regular customer (until they're programmed to I suppose heh) nor give you an extra portion of something they're especially proud of like happens here. Chinese place I went to gave me a free order of spring rolls once. The human touch is usually gonna be prefered.

Great! So now overpriced employees are going to give away food. How stupid are you?

Smarter than most, dumber than some.

 

[Auld Phart]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

Thanks but huh, you're a little late. The information you posted was posted in post #18 and again in post #21.

So I saw,

AFTER I posted

 

[saveliberty]

For myself, I'd rather buy food prepared by people. I mean, it all is of course, but I like seeing people do the preparing, not have them dropping it off like. A machine will never greet you as a regular customer (until they're programmed to I suppose heh) nor give you an extra portion of something they're especially proud of like happens here. Chinese place I went to gave me a free order of spring rolls once. The human touch is usually gonna be prefered.

Great! So now overpriced employees are going to give away food. How stupid are you?

Smarter than most, dumber than some.

Good answer, I agree and fall into the same category.

 

[Auld Phart]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Not really

"The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment."

Sure you bet ya, my Christmas tree is all decorated for Thanksgiving with turkeys, pumpkins, and cranberry garland. No wonder I hate holidays. They've become oppressive with their marathon seasons.

I had it decorated for St Patricks Day, but Bonzi said I was far too early