AZ passes law saying life beings pre-conception

[koshergrl]

Which is a lie, of course.

Pro-choice is Pro-abortion. Choice means the choice to kill your children.

 

[Full-Auto]

Who cares about fertilization. That egg does not feel pain without it having a central nervous system, so it doesn't matter. It is not aware at all of its own existence, being conscious arises from a fully formed nervous system, made up of many cells. A fertilized egg is one cell (or two technically? I don't know), that can not detect itself. That doesn't happen for a few months, so there is a window where aborting is ethical. It is undoubtedly sad to waste a potential human life that is so close to fruition, but it is not unethical. Unethical is, as I said, what we do to our food animals, who are fully formed in their central nervous system... they are not made in God's image, so it doesn't matter. Christianity is so dumb. It produces more immorality than it pretends to put aside.

My point went right over your head. Figures.

Moron. It isn't "a potential human life", it is human from the moment it is conceived. It doesn't "become more human"; it has everything it needs right from the get go. It goes through stages of development but it is a living human from beginning. Your rambling highlights the pro-choice meme beautifully . . . "de-humanize" the thing and poof! no problem destroying it.

Sick.

so feel free to make your own choices.

stay out of others'.

it's not that complicated.

Then quit asking others to pay for it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Laws says the following...

"Unborn child" means the offspring of human beings from
conception until birth.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/hb2036s.pdf

That concept is not a concept shared by every religion in the world, and as such because the premise of HB 2036 is built around it then the bill seeks to to step on the 1st Amendment rights of those who do not share this, further, had the main aim of this bill been to stop Abortion after 20 weeks then it would have just reaffirmed the Casey decision whose opinion was written by a former justice from Arizona.

Religion is irrelevant.

From a medical perspective, from conception to birth, you have unborn human offspring, or a child. Though many stages are traversed, the fact of a human offspring does not. The political statement that the joining of sperm and ovum results in something other than a human is laughable in it's ignorance.

Do you think that women carry a dog, or a baboon until birth? Then the "magic vagina" trasmorgrifies the baboon into a person? Fundamental changes in genetic structure occur when passing through the magic vagina....

Seriously, do you buffoons care how ignorant you appear? Clearly you are at war with scientific fact, since everything you post openly defies medical science. The left amazes me.

 

[koshergrl]

Killing babies isn't a choice.

It's just killing babies. Call it what it is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I agreed with what I bolded and made red so no, I didn't admit that and no; I won't be answering for the ZEFs who didn't make it.

What is a "ZEF," is that like a "Jew?"

 

[BDBoop]

Zygote/Embryo/Fetus. Whatever works.

 

[koshergrl]

That's a hard one to read sober. I'll have to try again, later.

This is you sober?

Probably not.

 

[koshergrl]

Zygote/Embryo/Fetus. Whatever works.

Baby.

 

[Nic_Driver]

Which is a lie, of course.

Pro-choice is Pro-abortion. Choice means the choice to kill your children.

No, you're wrong. A fetus is not a child.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Zygote/Embryo/Fetus. Whatever works.

So, should you be termed a "menopause?" As a menopause, are you less human and should be denied the basic protections of a civil society?

 

[Full-Auto]

Which is a lie, of course.

Pro-choice is Pro-abortion. Choice means the choice to kill your children.

No, you're wrong. A fetus is not a child.

Does that statement make it easier to insert a metal object into the skull to scramble the brains?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Killing babies isn't a choice.

It's just killing babies. Call it what it is.

Bring back the death penalty for women caught getting abortions?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Baby.

Die Juden dürfen nicht als Mensch gekennzeichnet. Sie sind Nagetiere.

The mantra of the left.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Life beings pre conception>" what the hell does life beings even mean?

It doesn't say that. Jillian has a sub-50 IQ and is regurgitating idiocy from the hate sites. The law uses a well established medical term, "Gestational Age" that calculates the last menses to determine the developmental state of the baby. Since ovulation occurs about two weeks after menses, the morons of the left are shrieking that Az has defined life two weeks before conception.

The left are a bunch of uneducated goons, ignorantly spewing nonsense.

The term gestation is a scientific term that ADDS 2 weeks to the time from conception to birth.

 

[jillian]

I am constantly surprised by postions held by some who call themselves "conservatives". When I first started voting for Sen. Goldwater and many other's through the years the basic concept of "conservative" was that men and women were better able to decide for themselves their destiny than an all intrusive Govt. and likewise a respect for the Constitution. This Bill here in Arizona while seeking to stop "abortion" after 20 weeks and frankly other than for the life of the mother, I cannot see a reason why someone would choose to do that. That said the Bill itself on it's face flys in the face of the principles that the party long held dear and seeks a Govt. solution which is "more" intrusive not "less", and still further, it is built upon the concept of one religions views of when life beings thus flying in the face of the 1st Amendment. If this bill had sought to limit abortions after 20 weeks the language in it that defines when life begins as well as some other language that limits access and choice that Americans make would not be needed and the bill would go something like this and would have my full support.

Be it known that in the State of Arizona after 20 weeks of pregnancy, no abortions will be performed in this state and any and all persons having license to perform these prodecures after 20 weeks will be held guilty in a court of law.

The state of Arizona and it's legislature has spent a lot of time on bills at the Center for Arizona Policy which we have been forced to defend in any number of state and federal courts at the expense of the taxpayers here. CAP does not care about costing the state jobs, in their mission to force their moral views on the citizens of this state and to call themselves "conservatives" , I would suggest they read a book.

“I know there are those who say a conservative should be pro-life, which I am, but I’m not sure a person has to be that to qualify as a conservative. Nor am I sure that a person must be opposed to pornography, which I am. In both cases there are questions of individual rights and responsibilities which are arguable."


Lyn Nofgizer


"A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."
Sen. Barry Goldwater

“I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”
Sen. John McCain

The states are not free, under the guise of protecting maternal health or potential life, to intimidate women into continuing pregnancies. ~Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe v. Wade, 22 January 1973

I might remind people that this bills title is " The Women's Health and Safety Act "

Though We may agree that Abortion should be an Individual Choice, not Mandate, the Conservative Perspective would be that it be a State Issue, not Federal, at least not without a Constitutional Amendment, either way. That would mean that the guide lines would vary State by State. Serious Matters require some sort of Regulation, again by the consent of the Governed. To act beyond consent, is a matter concerning all of us, not just Conservatives. Having reasonable boundaries should not be in contention either, though what and where, and how, need to be defined and supported with the consent of the governed. It is up to us to decide, rather than be herded.

No. That is neo-conservative, regressive, reactionary policy.

Actual conservative policy is that government shouldn't legislate these issues at all.

 

[BDBoop]

"Life beings pre conception>" what the hell does life beings even mean?

It doesn't say that. Jillian has a sub-50 IQ and is regurgitating idiocy from the hate sites. The law uses a well established medical term, "Gestational Age" that calculates the last menses to determine the developmental state of the baby. Since ovulation occurs about two weeks after menses, the morons of the left are shrieking that Az has defined life two weeks before conception.

The left are a bunch of uneducated goons, ignorantly spewing nonsense.

The term gestation is a scientific term that ADDS 2 weeks to the time from conception to birth.

Thereby kicking the 20 week cutoff back to essentially 18 weeks.

 

[koshergrl]

Good.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus didn't care about abortions, why should you Christians?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, you're wrong. A fetus is not a child.

Is it a monkey? Perhaps a Klingon?

What of Cesarian births? Since the child never passes through the magic vagina to be transmorgrified, do they remain Klingon?

You leftist sure have a solid grasp of biology.....

 

[BDBoop]

Better than you, who thinks that a bunch of cells without a heartbeat or nerve endings is a 'human being.'